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I touched up your reply to make it a lot more sensible, now closing this thread would be a good idea.
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is there are reason for SLI?
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I touched up your reply to make it a lot more sensible, now closing this thread would be a good idea.
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Terra said:Computerpro3:
Now that is sweet!
Now I just wonder what the new batch of "excuses" will be..but they will surely sound lame compared to a 1000$
Who would turn down a 1000$?!
Terracide - Except perhaps a fannybooi with nothing but FUD to back him up
Well I figure I should be safe, because if the top benchers in the world are still 5k behind, and the cost of triple cascade cooling is around 5-6k total, and the r520 isnt coming out this month, I should be in the clear.
Besides, I could always overclock and nail a 24-25k if they cut the 5k breathing room down a little. Not to mention the 4000+ san deigo thats on preorder
And the fact that my prommie is about to be sent to chilly1 or pc-ice for some modifications (r402 regass, new cap line, chilly1 block, should hit around -45C loaded, which is better than vapochill LS and mach II gt).I would think I'm unbeatable, at least for a month.
Hate_Bot said:
Some people don't like to wait...
And dont worry..I think Computerpro3 closed this thread
But why don't you find a ATI-buddy and score the 1000$?
Then you both got the funds for the R520 when it comes out?
Terra - Funny how you totally "disreguarded" the 1000$...perhaps on purpose?
LOL. This thread is great. Anyone that is arguing against the benefits of SLI is uneducated and probably an ATi drone. Also, when ATi releases their AMR, all you dipshits that are bashing nVidia now, will be saying how much better the ATi solution is......but that's because "it's not SLI, it's AMR and it's better because I say so". nana nana naaaaa na
There is always going to be some issue with new tech and always the nay sayers. Everyone scoffed at Futuremark for 3DMark03 because it was too graphics card dependable. We can see now that they had an eye on the future......mark. Most of the new games released will support SLI and those running SLI will reap the benefits.
There is always going to be some issue with new tech and always the nay sayers. Everyone scoffed at Futuremark for 3DMark03 because it was too graphics card dependable. We can see now that they had an eye on the future......mark. Most of the new games released will support SLI and those running SLI will reap the benefits.
Terra said:Some people don't like to wait...
And dont worry..I think Computerpro3 closed this thread
But why don't you find a ATI-buddy and score the 1000$?
Then you both got the funds for the R520 when it comes out?
Terra - Funny how you totally "disreguarded" the 1000$...perhaps on purpose?
Wtf are you talking about? $1000?
Im confused...
Im not buying 2 R520s at once...
and honest to god, why do you still keep calling me a fan boy and all that, HOW AM I EXHIBITING !!!!!!-ISM?! I am not saying anything bad about Nvidia, or SLI or whatever
*Ignore list*
Computerpro3:
I think your are safe too
But KODUS for your standing 1 month offer!!!
That is sweeping all the FUD aside, and revealing who is spreding fannybooi-FUD..and who is speaking facts
So, IMHO, this will play out like this:
Fannybooi's will disregard the money...and still spread FUD...
The serious ones, on the other hand will give it a go.
And thus will we get the [H]ard seperate from the fannybooi's
Their post will reveal them
Terra - I am impressed...not often that I get that
I think your are safe too
But KODUS for your standing 1 month offer!!!
That is sweeping all the FUD aside, and revealing who is spreding fannybooi-FUD..and who is speaking facts
So, IMHO, this will play out like this:
Fannybooi's will disregard the money...and still spread FUD...
The serious ones, on the other hand will give it a go.
And thus will we get the [H]ard seperate from the fannybooi's
Their post will reveal them
Terra - I am impressed...not often that I get that
Hate_Bot said:
I am talking about the PRICEMONEY that Computerpro3 offered a few post back:
"Come on atifanatics, surely someone can beat his paltry 18k score with triple cascade phasechange.....or is SLI just that good?
Still waiting. $1000 paypal to whoever beats me from hardforums in the next month with an ATI card."
Why not...you have done nothing but praise this(the R520) unreleased hardware...and surely 2 x "GREAT" must be better than 1 x "GREAT"?
Talking like a true fannybooi..when someone calls your bluff..you fold and run
Terra - And Thanks..I will most certainly enjoy the ignore
Terra said:I am talking about the PRICEMONEY that Computerpro3 offered a few post back:
"Come on atifanatics, surely someone can beat his paltry 18k score with triple cascade phasechange.....or is SLI just that good?
Still waiting. $1000 paypal to whoever beats me from hardforums in the next month with an ATI card."
Why not...you have done nothing but praise this(the R520) unreleased hardware...and surely 2 x "GREAT" must be better than 1 x "GREAT"?
Talking like a true fannybooi..when someone calls your bluff..you fold and run
Terra - And Thanks..I will most certainly enjoy the ignore
I had to turn of the ignore cuz I was curious (morbid curiousity) of what you said.
What bluff f mine did you call exactly?
and No I wont be getting 2 R520s at once, I might get one when it releases, and one later, just as how it would be smart with SLI like that.
And also, benchmarks are pointless to me. OMG YOU HAVE 5 MORE POINTS etc, I dont really care, all I care about is gaming. and also, why shouldnt I praise the R520, it looks like its going to be a great card, and there must be a reason 2 console makers are using the architecture in there systems
I honestly have no Idea where your getting that Im a fan boy from, yes I might perfer ATI a bit, but thats just because its more available. Theres nothing wrong with Nvidia, there cards, SLI and all that. and I am surprised you keep beating this dead horse into the ground, I mean, wtf? In the past number of posts, I have said nothing bad about your precious nvidia and SLI and such. and I dont understand why you have such a big problem with the R520, also,
Terra said:
I dont understand, you completely agree with Computer saying the G80 will be good, yet you have a problem with me saying the R520 will be good? Im not saying the G80 will be bad, Im usr eit will be great, but at least we know something (Rumors, and an announcement from ATI) about the R520. What is your problem with the R520? a little TO much brand loayalty perhaps
Shifra said:
This has got to be the silliest "argument" I've seen in a long time.
How many people with $800-$1000 worth of video cards paid that to look at some lame Voodoo 2 resolutions like 800X600 or 1024X768? Why the hell would you? We all know games look better the higher the resolution.
On 6800GT/U SLI, you start at 16X12 and work up from there.
No 50% gain on D3d? BS!
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_nx6800/page7.asp
82 vs 52fps for Halo at 16X12 4X8X. 30/52=57% gain
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_nx6800/page8.asp
74 vs 44fps at Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X. 30/44=68% gain
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf6800u-sli_19.html
65 vs 36fps at HL2 16X12 4X16X. 29/36= 80% gain
So there's three of the biggest D3d games around showing 57-80% improvement, and you say you've "yet to see 50% at D3d".
You should be ASHAMED of yourself. You come into this thread first spouting baseless guesses about ATI hardware we should all wait to buy, I guess because you think it will be good, out soon and cheap.
When I and others call you on that, you shift to posting outright LIES about hardware that DOES exist and is easily tested.
Why anyone would take anything you say seriously after this, I don't know. If you don't work for ATI in the rumor mill, you should forward your resume. I am sure they have a place for you.
Terra said:We are not talking about 5 points...but 5000!!! points
And I think Computerpro3 didnt't limit him self to only 3Dmark..but ask him...It's his challenge, not mine
And untill someone claims the 1000$ my sig holds TRUE!
Terra - 6800U SLI > X850XT-PE
well thats fairly obvious, of course 2caeds>1 card, but most people cant afford 2 cards/dont want them...
Comparing SLId Ultras to an X850XT-PE is like comparing a Lamborghini to that rocket car that broke the speed limit, both are cool and fast, but its pretty obious whos faster...
now 2 X850XT-PEs vs 2Ultras... that would be interesting,,
Hate_Bot said:
Don't lie..please link to where I state that?!
Or I will call you a LYING fannybooi!
I wil bash people trying to praise NVIDIA's next gen, based on purely speculations, so don't feel "special"...
I don't know if the G80 will suck or rock..NOBODY does currently!
As I now NOTHING about how how the R520 will preform...
When you try and use arguments about UNRELEASED hardware, and even ADVICE people to wait for a piece of hardware, where you got NO CLUE about the preformance...
THAT makes you a fannybooi..because all talk about the preformance of the G80 and the R520 is FUD..unless you got a benchmark to back you up!
Speculations/personal "dreams" are stupid arguments...and totaaly beside the pint in this debate..wich is SLI(NIVIDIA's Highend solution) vs ATi's current gen.
Im usr eit will be great, but at least we know something (Rumors, and an announcement from ATI) about the R520. What is your problem with the R520? a little TO much brand loayalty perhaps
If the R250 beats NVIDIA's next gen..guess what card I will buy?
The one that has best preformance/features!
Can you say the same thing?
No...didn't think so...
Terra - 6800U SLI > X850XT-PE!
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Hate_Bot said:
Bingo, that's why I offered the money. To get people to shut the hell up and realize that 2 cards are better than one, I don't care the brand (not accusing you, just ridiculing people that claim that one card is nearly as fast as two). And of course, I'm not going to have to give out the money, because of that obvious fact.
Bingo again
now 2 X850XT-PEs vs 2Ultras... that would be interesting,,
That it would, and TBH I'd prefer it as I much prefer ATI's driver program (never thought I'd say that a few years ago). This beta driver shit and non-whql with futuremark, not to mention months in between official releases is kinda gay. Not to mention that the 2x x850xt-pe's would be much faster. But unfortunatley, that option is not available right now, nor will it be for the next few months, and since I want the fastest now, I got the 6800 ultra sli.
It's that simple, elemantary logic really. I don't get why some people debate it.
Hate_Bot said:
Some people don't see it that way..but now they will have a hard time explaning why they don't collect the 1000$...
Again..SLI is HIGHEND..not for every one...
And don't want them?
Who would resuse 2x6800U's if they where free?
Only a stupid fannybooi...
Then why needed computerpro3 to make his offer then?
Because all the debaters agreeded that SLI is better than one single X850XT-PE for HIGH resolution with all eyecandy on?
Think again...
now 2 X850XT-PEs vs 2Ultras... that would be interesting,,
And not possible, as ATi's current gen has FEWER features than NVIDA's current gen.
Not saying that it will be the same with next gen...nobody knows that...not me..and not YOU.
Terra...
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alright Terra, I think he gets it....lets cool down....
Terra said:
Apperently, the X850s are supposed to work with AMR
understandable, since ATI has been using AMR for quite some time. but nothing is confirmed..
Im comfortable with my current system in the meantime, especially since im waiting for Dual core opties
Hate_Bot said:
I'm sure you'd like it closed so we can get back to guessing if the R520 will be any good, someday.
However, the above is just wrong.
LOTS of people have LCDs and monitors capable of 16X12, and that is where SLI starts to annihilate all single cards.
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sigh....and here we go again....bet he asks you "OMG I NEED PROOF ATI HAS BEEN USING AMR FOR SOME TIME"
let it go guys:
atiFANatics: outbench me or drop the arguement
Nvidiots: stop saying the same things over and over and over about feature sets
computerpro3 said:
Im not saying its for sure, Im just saying theres a possibility, and rumors.
I dont understand why some people get so pissed of about this.
I mean, everyone is saying Dual core Athlons will own, but how can we be sure?
We cant stop here... this is bat country
Don't worry...even I get tired of battleling "hear-say"
Besides future hardware got nothing to do with this debate.
And I will consider this thread dead...unless somebody takes up your challenge...
No point in debating more, the test has been laid out.
Take it..or hush
Terra - Shit...I was supoosed to go to bed hours ago :S *LOL*
Besides future hardware got nothing to do with this debate.
And I will consider this thread dead...unless somebody takes up your challenge...
No point in debating more, the test has been laid out.
Take it..or hush
Terra - Shit...I was supoosed to go to bed hours ago :S *LOL*
Rollo said:This has got to be the silliest "argument" I've seen in a long time.
How many people with $800-$1000 worth of video cards paid that to look at some lame Voodoo 2 resolutions like 800X600 or 1024X768? Why the hell would you? We all know games look better the higher the resolution.
On 6800GT/U SLI, you start at 16X12 and work up from there.
No 50% gain on D3d? BS!
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_nx6800/page7.asp
82 vs 52fps for Halo at 16X12 4X8X. 30/52=57% gain
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_nx6800/page8.asp
74 vs 44fps at Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X. 30/44=68% gain
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf6800u-sli_19.html
65 vs 36fps at HL2 16X12 4X16X. 29/36= 80% gain
So there's three of the biggest D3d games around showing 57-80% improvement, and you say you've "yet to see 50% at D3d".
You should be ASHAMED of yourself. You come into this thread first spouting baseless guesses about ATI hardware we should all wait to buy, I guess because you think it will be good, out soon and cheap.
When I and others call you on that, you shift to posting outright LIES about hardware that DOES exist and is easily tested.
Why anyone would take anything you say seriously after this, I don't know. If you don't work for ATI in the rumor mill, you should forward your resume. I am sure they have a place for you.
Interesting, im an idiot, but you and a few others were defending SLI as a great idea and "way to see games the developers wanted you to see". So what the hell is it, for the few and the bold or a good thing that should be widly embraced. Cannot believe some people were stupid enough to defending the cost/performance. When a new card comes out you see increases at all resolutions at all settings SLI does not give you next gen specs for 2 reasons, the increases are only under prime circumstances, and you have no idea how much better any given next card will be. Once again for the cheap seats, the R520 is TAPPED, if you dont know what it means, the get out of this thread and shut up. So sick of hearing paper launch and vapor crap. You'll have benchmarks in your face within 4 months, not 6, not 8, not a year. You spend X amount to brag only to be shut down again very fast in terms of technology lifetime. Should read what you actually type, cant believe the inflated self image do to being able to waste money. I certainly love your benchmarks used in defence Rollo, so which is it we have been comparing SLI to the whole time, the X800XL or the X850XT PE, or the 6800U. If you guessed X850XT PE you win a star. Perhaps you are retarded and need things spelled out real slow, so i'll retype just for you, SLI has never shown gains over an X850XT or PE of 50% or more in a D3D game.
I will no longer add to this threads life span.
Shifra - Terra stop posting FOK like a MIG on a SMO.
Shifra said:
A. You don't KNOW we'll have R520 benchmarks in 4 months. Remember the 5800U, TSMC couldn't produce enough of a new design for nV to release a chip that had been finished by nV for months?
B. Even if benchmarks are "in front of us " in four months, ATI has proven time and time again in the last year the "benchmarks in front of us" don't equate to "cards available in the retail channel".
C. I should have known you were referring to a 50% increase in performance over a X850XT PE? Why? You said,
. Not being a mind reader at a carnival, I didn't know "a single card" meant a "X850XT or PE". My professors back at UW-Madison would have marked this "Lack of specificity" for you.
Nonetheless, you're still just spread FUD and lies:
http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041123/sli-performance-17.html
Far Cry is a D3d DX9 game. The 6800U SLI runs it at 87fps. The X800XT PE is at 47fps. 40/47fps is 85%. Unless you think a marginally faster X850XT PE is 36% faster (more like 5%) than a X800XT PE, you have just seen a benchmark of a D3d game where SLI is much closer to 100% faster than 50%, the level you said it could not achieve.
D.
I bet you are, as I'm starting to think you're in the employ of our friends to the North. The facts are there for anyone to see though: X800XT Phantom Edition- late. X800 Xtra Late edition-late. X700XT- MIA. And those are on a two year old core design. What's going to happen when they bring their first "new" core design out? Early?
E.
I've been using SLI for months, if something faster comes out in 4 months why would I be sad? I spent most of 2005 gaming at next gen levels. You spent it waiting for a cheaper deal.
Can we all at least agree on the following?
- if you've got the money to spend on it, SLI can give substantial increases in gaming performance with particular types of games.
- SLI can be quite tricky to set up, with both cards often having to match down to the minor revision of the firmware.
And as far as ATi goes:
- if we are to take the rumours, together with a spoonful of salt, for being true, then ATi's new line of cards might be very interesting, provided they're released in time.
- if you've got the money to spend on it, SLI can give substantial increases in gaming performance with particular types of games.
- SLI can be quite tricky to set up, with both cards often having to match down to the minor revision of the firmware.
And as far as ATi goes:
- if we are to take the rumours, together with a spoonful of salt, for being true, then ATi's new line of cards might be very interesting, provided they're released in time.
zeebs said:
First of all, AMR sounds cool, like a type pf plain fighter.
second of all AMR is just a street name, no one knows what ATI is going to be calling it.
So ya, stop being such a fan boy, AMR is cool, SLI was also just a marketing trick (Voodoos multi rendering was called SLI)
Komataguri said:
When that's average or max FPS it will drop into the 20's.
On the name thing, AMR is gay. When I hear that I think of the old AMR slots. Where you installed the cheesy Audio Modem Riser.
On a final note I agree completely with Rollo.
Terra said:Not stepping up to the challenge makes you a fannybooi
Terra - I will now disregard posts from those not ready to put action behind their claims
No it doesnt. I never said a single card is faster than SLI, when SLI is working properly. Disgregard my posts all you want, doesnt make a difference to me. Nor does it make you right.
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