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is every intel processor from now on going to include intergrated graphics?

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seems like such a waste especially with high end chips like the i7...even with lucidlogix. i can't imagine the power savings being that significant.
 
SB-E doesn't have IGP. No server ones do at the moment including BD.
 
No.

And if they managed to improve lucidlogix with being able to physically shut down the GPU, yes, the power savings would be significant with crossfire/SLI systems.
 
xBanzai89 said:
SB-E doesn't have IGP. No server ones do at the moment including BD.
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Actually Xeon E3 does have a GPU: the processors with part numbers ending in 0 have it disabled, while those ending in 5 have P3000 (HD 3000), for example E3-1230 and E3-1235 (great cheaper alternative to i7 2600 by the way) have the IGP but only E3-1235 has it enabled (thus the 80W vs 95W TDP difference).
 
I bet they will include it on everything mid-range and lower, including mid-range Xeon's. On the high end cramming more cores, higher performance, and higher thermal envelopes into the alloted space is more important, so using an external graphics solution (either video card or extra graphics chip soldered onto mobo) is preferable.
 
Tsumi said:
No.

And if they managed to improve lucidlogix with being able to physically shut down the GPU, yes, the power savings would be significant with crossfire/SLI systems.
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While you make a good point, I don't get why people are so crazy about power savings while building 1 kw crossfire rigs. Unless you are referring to idle power draw.
 
tangoseal said:
While you make a good point, I don't get why people are so crazy about power savings while building 1 kw crossfire rigs. Unless you are referring to idle power draw.
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Yes, I'm referring to idle power draw. For people who have a tri-SLI GTX 580 system, that's nearly 100 watts saved, more due to power supply efficiency, maybe 110 watts. If you spend about 8 hours on your computer a day, and you only game on the weekends, that power savings is significant.
 
Tsumi said:
Yes, I'm referring to idle power draw. For people who have a tri-SLI GTX 580 system, that's nearly 100 watts saved, more due to power supply efficiency, maybe 110 watts. If you spend about 8 hours on your computer a day, and you only game on the weekends, that power savings is significant.
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True when translated to that enclosed envelope you have to place a check in and mail off every month.
 
Tsumi said:
Yes, I'm referring to idle power draw. For people who have a tri-SLI GTX 580 system, that's nearly 100 watts saved, more due to power supply efficiency, maybe 110 watts. If you spend about 8 hours on your computer a day, and you only game on the weekends, that power savings is significant.
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A tri-SLI system isn't even using the onboard GPU. It can be done with Virtu sure but nobody dropping that kinda bucks on gaming hardware is going to gimp it running i-mode in virtu.
 
bigddybn said:
A tri-SLI system isn't even using the onboard GPU. It can be done with Virtu sure but nobody dropping that kinda bucks on gaming hardware is going to gimp it running i-mode in virtu.
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If they get it to work well, then it would be a viable option. From what I saw with nVidia's old HybridPower, their implementation of it netted a 5% loss in performance. And it did completely shut down the GPU; the GPU fans were not even spinning.
 
Tsumi said:
If they get it to work well, then it would be a viable option. From what I saw with nVidia's old HybridPower, their implementation of it netted a 5% loss in performance. And it did completely shut down the GPU; the GPU fans were not even spinning.
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Actually I lied. Virtu doesn't support SLI at all with i-mode.
 
No GPU on my E3-1230 for sure. Only 85W because of it. They should revove it from all the extreme chips, overcklocking would go higher easier
 
The answer is no we are not going to include it on all of our processors. I think you will see almost everything in the mainstream desktop market should have IGP (Intergraded Graphics on Processor) going forward.
 
prometheum said:
seems like such a waste especially with high end chips like the i7
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I suspect every LGA1155 (and it's sucessors) desktop intel chip will have one. Some of the LGA1155 server chips don't offer processor graphics but I suspect in reality it's just disabled to claim a lower TDP.

It's just not worth intel's while to do two seperate designs for mainstream quad core chips (one with integrated graphics one without) and leaving integrated graphics out of the mainstream quads completely (as happened with lynfield) causes problems in the buisness market (see for example the way optiplexes went straight from LGA775 to LGA1155 skipping LGA1156)

LGA2011 chips don't have integrated graphics as neither the extremely high end desktop segment or the high end server segment needs them (servers generally use really shitty graphics that are part of the management chipset).

SaY said:
No GPU on my E3-1230 for sure.
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Well there is no usable GPU. I suspect the GPU is still physically there just disabled so intel can claim a lower TDP.

They should revove it from all the extreme chips
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Afaict intel have never put a GPU on an extreme edition chip.
 
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Zero82z said:
Xeon E3 is a workstation CPU, not a server CPU, and it is not Sandy Bridge-E. Xeon E5 and E7 are the server versions, and they do not have graphics.
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IT IS a server processor. There are purely server boards with the platform. It's the low-end server/worstation part, not limited to just one or another. SB-E is the mainstream part.
 
I don't know the exact increases in power draw due to un-used IGP and the potential waste of die space which could be put towards other uses, but as an enthusiast not wanting to break the bank I shot for a 2600k and was surprised to see it came with integrated graphics.

Chips like the 2600k seem like quite high end parts to be using something like integrated graphics, how many people are buying 2600k CPUs and not bothering with discrete graphics?
 
As was said, pretty much all of Intel's mainstream chips will contain an IGP. The 2600k and 2700k are considered mainstream chips, since they're on the 1155 platform, which is mainstream.

It's a testament to Intel's rapid improvements that we're able to have enthusiast level performance of just 2 years ago in a mainstream platform.

Increase in power draw is minimal, Intel's technology actually completely shuts off power to the IGP.

Probably around 20% of users would not use discrete graphics, since whatever they're doing requires lots of raw CPU power, but just basic graphics. Probably 40-50% of users would find having an IGP useful for troubleshooting problems, I know I would.
 
I actually found a use for the one in the 2600K, since nVidia has that stupid bug where if you're using more than one monitor with different resolutions the GPU can't throttle down to idle and runs at max clock speeds at all times, if you move your non-gaming monitor to the IGP and you save around 100W idle power.
 
-Dragon- said:
I actually found a use for the one in the 2600K, since nVidia has that stupid bug where if you're using more than one monitor with different resolutions the GPU can't throttle down to idle and runs at max clock speeds at all times, if you move your non-gaming monitor to the IGP and you save around 100W idle power.
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How did you get this working? I just tried, and no go. The IGP is enabled in my BIOS as far as I can tell, but I cannot even install a driver for it.
 
It just worked out of the box for me, windows update installed the intel driver and then I just moved the monitor from the second GTX DVI plug to the MB DVI plug
 
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