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Is Creative's logic wrong for 5.1?

djoye

djoye

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I have a 7.1 setup and sometimes I play games, those that are typically console ports, that only support 5.1 sound. Using my X-Fi, when 5.1 sound is decoded on a 7.1 setup, set to 7.1 sound, the surround channel goes to the back speakers. When I use the Console Launcher to change to 5.1, the surround channels are still the back speakers. To me, it seems more logical that the "5.1" surround should be sent to the side-ish speakers instead.

After browsing diagrams of surround configurations I'm currently under the impression that the extra two speakers in "7.1" are the rears. If you go to Dolby's site here and click between 5.1 and 7.1 you see that in 5.1 the speakers are supposed to be positioned to the side-rear of the listener and then you toggle to 7.1 and they add in the rears; so why does Creative put the 5.1 in my rear speakers!?

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So I decided to test out my assumption by using Dolby Digital Live and letting my receiver decode and sure enough when I play a speaker test through the Creative Console Launcher the receiver decodes the 5.1 surround channels go to my "side" speakers. Guess I'll use DDL or DTSC when playing 5.1 games 'cause I could bring it to Creative's attention that their software is improperly directing audio but they wouldn't do anything about it.
 
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instead of blindly flaming Creative; you could also enable CMSS and it would resample your 5.1 output to 7.1

just a thought...

as far as "Dolby is right Creative is wrong", no.
there are many different methods/ideas as to how 5.1, and even more-so 7.1, are supposed to be configured
go ahead and take a look at DTS' website, THX's website, user manuals for various receivers/speaker sets, Windows default options, etc and then come back and tell me that you have found a definitive 100% solution for 5.1 placement and 7.1 placement that should never be deviated from
 
The second link you provided is the recommended desktop setup where the surrounds are placed in the rear, not on the sides like you postulated. So no, Creative's logic is not wrong.
 
djoye said:
Ok....

http://www.dts.com/Consumer_Electronics/Home_Theater/~/media/D205D6E32D0A40E3AA956D20C5617DCD.ashx

http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/home-theater/surround-sound-speaker-set-up/#5.1

Looks quite consistent to me.
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you didn't look at what I told you to, nor did you actually read the content of the second link

what a shame.

astrallite said:
The second link you provided is the recommended desktop setup where the surrounds are placed in the rear, not on the sides like you postulated. So no, Creative's logic is not wrong.
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and this is why I'm saying you didn't read the content of the second link, if you had, astralite would not have needed to point it out to you

honestly OP, there was no intention for hostilities, simply trying to help you out
 
HAH, I wasn't even looking at that desktop setup. Ok, I'm shifting blame from Creative to THX and mostly George Lucas. My stuff is setup more like a home theater so I'm further away from my front speakers because they're ~24" tall bookshelf speakers.

It's understandable that Creative went with the desktop PC layout but would be nice if they allowed it to be altered in the event you weren't using a traditional desktop speaker setup but GEORGE LUCAS PROBABLY SAYS "IT'S MY WAY OR NO THX CERTIFICATION!".
 
From what I've read the THX certification costs on average $70 for each certified A/V receiver sold. In other words, if it's THX certified, chances are you are getting less value for your money than a competing product without the certification.

As far as multimedia certification goes, its more or less a joke, and Creative owns the multimedia licence for THX so they will gladly pass on the cost of their licensing (with no competition), and then some, such as the of the perceived value of the THX premium name.
 
astrallite said:
From what I've read the THX certification costs on average $70 for each certified A/V receiver sold. In other words, if it's THX certified, chances are you are getting less value for your money than a competing product without the certification.

As far as multimedia certification goes, its more or less a joke, and Creative owns the multimedia licence for THX so they will gladly pass on the cost of their licensing (with no competition), and then some, such as the of the perceived value of the THX premium name.
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Creative aren't the only ones with THX multimedia certified parts, I think the only somewhat pricey PC speaker vendor that doesn't have any THX parts is Bose to be quite honest (Logitech does, Creative does, Klipsch does, pretty sure Altec did at one point, Razer does, etc); I have heard the same thing regarding extra price for licencing, but find a high end receiver without a THX tag, getting fairly hard these days

honestly theres no reason for blame anywhere here, because nothing is actually broken or damaged, no need to get upset because you had to change settings to your liking :rolleyes:
 
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