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Is Ati slacking off a bit?

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dh19440113

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1. I thought ATi will be the first to roll out with the next gen card. They taped out first right?

2 Nvidia is having a field day, If i was ATi I would try to bust their chops. But all we get is silence, which suggest to me that Ati isn't very well prepared against Nv40's performance. I mean x800xt will be shipped in end of may, thats a month for Nvidia to gloat.

3. The x800pro will be priced at $399, compare to geforce 6800 at $299, (as suggest all over internet). These are equivalent cards with 12 pipeline. Nvidia has a huge price/performance advantage if the price are true. To make a mistake like that is foolish for ati. The mainstream market is the most important segment.

these three point does not bode well for ati. :(
 
Dude can you spell (Drama Queen:p )No one knows whats going to happen yet as No one even knows the true stats of the x800 so until its out and on the market in retail form how are you going to know a price its ludicous;)
as for performance see above^;)
 
dood slacking?....Nvidia just released there brand new cards <well paper launch> less then 24 hours ago...and ATI is slacking?....ugh

DASHlT
P.S. and ya that 6800U ROCKS...cant wait to see what ATI has in store.
 
It is normal for the defending champ to release second...It depends on the channel, as cards tend to devalue when new products are released. Ati can now tweak the design slightly...memory speeds, possibly gpu clockrates, heatsink design etc

This is also only a paper launch at this point...
 
Originally posted by dh19440113
1. I thought ATi will be the first to roll out with the next gen card. They taped out first right?

2 Nvidia is having a field day, If i was ATi I would try to bust their chops. But all we get is silence, which suggest to me that Ati isn't very well prepared against Nv40's performance. I mean x800xt will be shipped in end of may, thats a month for Nvidia to gloat.

3. The x800pro will be priced at $399, compare to geforce 6800 at $299, (as suggest all over internet). These are equivalent cards with 12 pipeline. Nvidia has a huge price/performance advantage if the price are true. To make a mistake like that is foolish for ati. The mainstream market is the most important segment.

these three point does not bode well for ati. :(
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1.)No. As stated, the GF 6800U isn't out yet. It's just a paper launch.
2.)Neither party or their afflilates has a product out that you can buy, and ATi's paper launch will come soon enough.
3.)The 6800 should be compared to the X600 in most likelyhood. The X800 should be compared to the 6800 Ultra. The 6800 Ultra should retail for $499 to start.
 
Originally posted by Master [H]

3.)The 6800 should be compared to the X600 in most likelyhood. The X800 should be compared to the 6800 Ultra. The 6800 Ultra should retail for $499 to start.
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err wtf is the x600? lol
i think you mean the x800 Pro
 
Dude what he was trying to say is there is no such thing as the X600:p Its the X800SE,X800Pro,X800XT;)
 
All I can say to the original poster is PATIENCE! ATI may seemed to have slacked off for you, but those with experience know differently. This is a long term slugfest and counter punch's are always slow in this arena.
 
Dude the X600 is suppose to be a mid range card like the 9600XT. We'll have to wait til May 31/June for the X800XT to compare to a 6800Ultra.

X800 / 6800nu
x800 xt / 6800u
 
its only been one day since a paper launch. Why are we scrutinizing ATI already. so nVidia released some information before ATI, calm down lol. Apr 26 we'll see how the two compare, and as for when the cards actually reach consumer channels is anyones guess. For all we know ATI could be good and have theirs widely available before nVidia, we'll have to wait and see.
 
Originally posted by @trapine
No one even knows the true stats of the x800
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I think thats part of their problem... they don't have ANY information out there that can be verified by anything. I was thinking about leaving nvidia as many others did when the 9800s came around. In light of whats happening now, I don't think I'm going to, you need hype, you can't just sit back and watch the other company crush you while your hopeing people will wait.
 
Originally posted by pbXassassinX1524
I think thats part of their problem... they don't have ANY information out there that can be verified by anything. I was thinking about leaving nvidia as many others did when the 9800s came around. In light of whats happening now, I don't think I'm going to, you need hype, you can't just sit back and watch the other company crush you while your hopeing people will wait.
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Except they will have to wait because the NV40 ISN'T FOR SALE YET, jeez did you ever think they aren't releasing any hype because they know the consumers have no choice but TO wait?
 
Originally posted by SnakEyez187
Except they will have to wait because the NV40 ISN'T FOR SALE YET, jeez did you ever think they aren't releasing any hype because they know the consumers have no choice but TO wait?
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I see, so people are not allowed to speculate on the X800's performance but you're allowed to speculate on ATI's marketing strategy [for all we know, they could be keeping silent becuase the Combine has invaded and headcrabbed them]. Ah well, to be hypocritical is to be human.
 
Originally posted by Vagrant Zero
I see, so people are not allowed to speculate on the X800's performance but you're allowed to speculate on ATI's marketing strategy [for all we know, they could be keeping silent becuase the Combine has invaded and headcrabbed them]. Ah well, to be hypocritical is to be human.
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Sorry i broke the golden rule :rolleyes: I just couldn't help myself with such a stupid comment.
 
Originally posted by pbXassassinX1524
I think thats part of their problem... they don't have ANY information out there that can be verified by anything. I was thinking about leaving nvidia as many others did when the 9800s came around. In light of whats happening now, I don't think I'm going to, you need hype, you can't just sit back and watch the other company crush you while your hopeing people will wait.
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So what your saying is all you care about is hype. Do you honestly think that ATI is getting "crushed" right now because nvidia paper launched what looks to be a promising card?
 
Originally posted by pbXassassinX1524
In light of whats happening now, I don't think I'm going to, you need hype, you can't just sit back and watch the other company crush you while your hopeing people will wait.
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What an unique position. Most people buy cards based on performance, not on the vendor's propaganda.
 
Originally posted by skritch
What an unique position. Most people buy cards based on performance, not on the vendor's propaganda.
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You haven't been paying much attention to "most people" have you? ;)

Most people on HERE, sure... But the mass marketplace is anything but scrutinizing. Heh...

At any rate, we'll see what compares to what at what price points and what performance levels when... uh... we SEE all the options available.
 
Originally posted by Bad_Boy
all i gotta say is ....

april 26th, 2004. :)
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Really? My video card is probably the one thing I could afford to upgrade with the expception of my hard drive.:D

/me waits
 
to the original question, i say:

it depends on what your definition of the word "slacking" means. if you mean allowing someone else to do something before you do it, then yes they are. slacking in the short term is peanuts compared to slacking in the long term, so it all depends on your perspective.

my 9800pro out performs my non-existant 6800Ultra so i'm going to stick with that for now.

BTW- please do not take offense to the above statement as it is only a logical explanation of my current assets. i DO have a 9800pro, i DO NOT have a 6800Ultra (and cannot have one for some time still, so to me it's still non-existant). therefore:

real 9800pro > paper 6800Ultra
 
Originally posted by Devilpup
real 9800pro > paper 6800Ultra
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I'll have to disagree there. For starters paper launches don't bother me anymore since hell...EVERYONE and their beared grandmother does it. Secondly, I tend to look at it not as late release of product but early release of info [the alternative would have been the NDA being lifted sometime in May]. Secondly, if price is secondary to performance [as is the case for most enthusists], then there's abosultely no excuse for purchasing a 9800 now. We know the NV40 pwns it, that much is not open to debate, all that's left is getting the skinny on the X800 and we're all set to making an informed desicion.

If you asked me honestly, which do I expect to come out 'top dawg', I'd have to say the NV40 simply becuase the may 31 launch of the XT coupled with the leaked personal notes reak of 'Damage Control' to me. I could [and hopefully am] wrong, since I don't plan on dishing out $750 for a vid card.
 
I think ATI is just keeping quiet and going to let nvidia have there 15 seconds of fame (maybe they feel bad for them). Then they are gunna release a card that bitch slaps the nv40. :eek:
 
Originally posted by Vagrant Zero
If you asked me honestly, which do I expect to come out 'top dawg', I'd have to say the NV40 simply becuase the may 31 launch of the XT coupled with the leaked personal notes reak of 'Damage Control' to me. I could [and hopefully am] wrong, since I don't plan on dishing out $750 for a vid card.
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i'll assume you mean $750 in non-us monetary units, cause everywhere i've been reading says either $399 or $499...
Originally posted by Roost426
I think ATI is just keeping quiet and going to let nvidia have there 15 seconds of fame (maybe they feel bad for them). Then they are gunna release a card that bitch slaps the nv40.
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while this may very well be the case, i do not believe it is true, because Vagrant is right, those leaked notes are... rather suspicious. I have a feeling that nvidia will turn out to be the winner for this generation.
 
ATi did supposely tape out first.

But they have no reason to push the new card until Nvidia throws a punch. There is no competition for the 9800 line, so until Nvidia is ready to launch there is no reaon to mention the new product.

If Nvidia did not release the NV40 until next year, and ATi had a functional X800 3 months ago, they would still not release it until after the NV40, thats marketing for you...

Corespeed will come into play. Its pretty well assumed the non-ultra will be clocked in the 350Mhz range and use regular 128MB DDR (maybe even a 128-bit interface) something must be taken out to save $200 retail.

On paper, an ATI with 12pipes running at 500Mhz can compete with a 16-pipe running at 400Mhz assuming roughly the same DDR3 memory (At least in DX 7 & 8)
 
Originally posted by ZenOps
Its pretty well assumed the non-ultra will be clocked in the 350Mhz range and use regular 128MB DDR (maybe even a 128-bit interface) something must be taken out to save $200 retail.
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That one was called the X800-SE, for a NP thats pretty shitty so I hope that it isn't.
 
It still begs the question, if the SE competes with the NU, the Pro with the U, wtf is the XT competing with [the NV45 won't be out til Q3]? Why is it coming out so damned early?

Like someone mentioned before, that isn't normal marketing, usually you hold off on your prime to keep the line going for a while longer, not release it a month after the original launch [but then again, the leaked notes hint at the R420 series being a placeholder until the R500].
 
Everyone always forgets, the x880xt (hello top card in the product line). Yeesh.
 
Originally posted by CrimandEvil
In two months...lol :D
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What was the point of that post? Nvidia's and ATI's paper launch are about a little more than a week apart from each other? Both Nvidia's and ATI's cards will probabbly hit the market at the same time... so where do you get this month of Nvidia power? Hopefully a review site with guts will do a direct comparison between the GeForce 6800 Ultra and Radeon X800 Pro on April 26... not just comparisons between the Radeon X800 Pro and the previous generation of cards.
 
Originally posted by Vagrant Zero
It still begs the question, if the SE competes with the NU, the Pro with the U, wtf is the XT competing with [the NV45 won't be out til Q3]? Why is it coming out so damned early?

Like someone mentioned before, that isn't normal marketing, usually you hold off on your prime to keep the line going for a while longer, not release it a month after the original launch [but then again, the leaked notes hint at the R420 series being a placeholder until the R500].
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SE doesn't competes with NU (obviously).
X800 / ?:confused:
X800 / 6800NU
X800 / 6800U

I would assume that it would compete with Nvidia highend mid range cards.
 
These are just guesses, and rumors from the web:

I'm thinking 350Mhz for the 6800 non-ultra (12 pipe regular 128MB DDR , 128 or 256 bit bus)

The X800SE will probably be 400 to 450mhz (8 pipe regular 128BM DDR , 128-bit bus)

The X800pro 500Mhz (12 pipe, 256 DDR3, 256 bit bus)

The 6800 Ultra 400Mhz (16 pipe, 256 DDR3, 256 bit bus)

On paper the X800pro and 6800ultra should be pretty close. The 4 disabled pipes on the x800pro being balanced by its higher clockspeed.

By the time Apr 26th comes around, with the pro numbers, people should be able to extract the flagship XT peformance.


The fun is just starting, Nvidia has thrown their punch.
 
Originally posted by Shorty
What was the point of that post? Nvidia's and ATI's paper launch are about a little more than a week apart from each other? Both Nvidia's and ATI's cards will probabbly hit the market at the same time... so where do you get this month of Nvidia power? Hopefully a review site with guts will do a direct comparison between the GeForce 6800 Ultra and Radeon X800 Pro on April 26... not just comparisons between the Radeon X800 Pro and the previous generation of cards.
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:rolleyes: God Damn it ATI has to start hyping their products.
ATI's paper launch is for the X800, the XT doesn't even launch until May 31. The roadmaps state:
X800SE
X800
X800-XT

I don't see any "Pro" in their any more. So in June we should be seeing a direct comparison of a X800XT with a 6800Ultra, the way it should be.
 
*#UPDATED#*

This is how I think things will blow:

Radeon X800 SE | GeForce 6800
Radeon X800 Pro | GeForce 6800 Ultra
Radeon X800 XT | n/a
 
I dont know whether the first card is going to be released as regular or Pro.

I'm thinking Pro, because that leaves room to add a ~500mhz card with regular 128 or 256MB DDR on a 256-bit bus much later down the road.
 
Bah, we're so in the dark on ATI's new cards we're actually aruging over the existance of a Pro version.

I go poopie on ATI's head.
 
Okay your right on the Pro naming but you must have skipped over this:

ATI's release schedule. Further inspection of the ATI roadmaps reveals that "Non-Pro" Radeon X800s are absent. Perhaps "XT" has replaced the "Pro" Radeon series, and "Pro" thus replaced the "Non-Pro" Radeon series.
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@ Anandtech


Update April 9, 2004: We just received confirmation that X800 Pro will run on 12 pipelines, Radeon X800 XT will run on 16 pipelines and Radeon X800 SE will run on 8. It is important to note that all three of these chips are based on the same R420/R423 core. ATI could have an overclocker'ss/softmodder s dream with the X800 Pro and SE derivaties! This also comes as somewhat of a surprise since original leaked ATI documents claimed R420 would utilize 8 "Extreme" pipelines.
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Based on pure numbers it does look like Nvidia will get a month or so as topdog but when ATI finally ships a competent competer to the 6800Ultra who knows if that will last, maybe NVs got another card up thier sleeves.
 
Originally posted by DASHlT
dood slacking?....Nvidia just released there brand new cards <well paper launch> less then 24 hours ago...and ATI is slacking?....ugh

DASHlT
P.S. and ya that 6800U ROCKS...cant wait to see what ATI has in store.
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It wasn't a paper launch. REAL CARDS are in the hands of reviewers, and are being mass produced at factories as we speak. A paper launch is when they don't even hardware, just throw specs and "estimated performance" out.
 
Originally posted by Kolya
So what your saying is all you care about is hype. Do you honestly think that ATI is getting "crushed" right now because nvidia paper launched what looks to be a promising card?
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NVIDIA gave REAL F!@$#^%!@ CARDS TO REVIEWERS. REAL CARDS ARE BEING MANUFACTURED RIGHT NOW. You don't even know wtf a paper launch is. REAL CARDS were also given to winners at the LAN party Tuesday night.
 
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