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IPS is overrated!

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fociz

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I realize i'm asking for it here. But honestly, i've now owned 4 IPS lcd/led panels from different brands, and i'm simply not impressed with these coveted panel's of which are apparently fabricated from baby Jesus himself!

I've owned a couple of TN panel's with good electronics which have looked and performed as well or better than the ips panels i've been able to spend time with before i sent them back to their makers.

I currently feel IPS is simply overrated at this time in late 2012, and i really can't appreciate their weaknesses(ips glow, panel bleed) at all.
And look..i'm all for the Korean Catleap 2560x1440p/1600p panels in my face, gloriously entertaining my eyeballs for hours at a time, but until i can actually run the plethora of dogshit console ports from this last generation of games created by teams who clearly couldn't give 2 shits about actual performance in the PC space, along with a significant amount of other issues such as microstutter, and correct fov while utilizing a $500/$1000 dollar GPU/Quad Core system sporting 16-32gb of system ram/SSD's etc etc, then i'll stick to 1080p with it's inferior pixel count and better frame rate.

I realize this is purely an uneducated gamer's opinion, and i'm most assuredly part of the minority here. But after years of PC & console gaming experience, it's apparent we're moving at a faster rate than ever before in processor/core/multi-thread/power efficiency technology. And yet sadly screen/resolution/refresh rate/panel fabrication appear to have clearly taken a back seat. Infact in some respects we appear to be moving backwards in many ways. Color and picture quality, along with panel/refresh rate appear to be at a stand still compared to every other aspect of tech these days. Or it's just so damned slow and expensive that most of us simply cannot afford such luxuries in 2012.
 
fociz said:
I realize this is purely an uneducated gamer's opinion, and i'm most assuredly part of the minority here.
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people seem to be getting disillusioned/or say catching upto the gimmicks, from multiple things - their government policies, tv news, constant pc upgrades, car upgrades and consumerism even spirituality. so your attitude is on time and in vogue.
 
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Why bring anything other than tech into this post?
TV, Faith, and Politics into this? Really?

Call your father and tell him you forgive him..Christ, gimmie a break..
 
Your rant doesn't make much sense. IPS doesn't have anything to do with the resolution of a particular display or whether you're able to run games at the native resolution.

You're also not supposed to "appreciate" the weaknesses of IPS, but deal with them, and consider that what it's offering in return is much more important to you in the end.

And while there aren't many improvements being made to current LCD technologies, and ones like OLED are having production issues, having a technology that has well matured has many benefits.

dopple said:
people seem to be getting disillusioned/or say catching upto the gimmicks, from multiple things - their government policies, tv news, constant pc upgrades, car upgrades and consumerism even spirituality. so your attitude is on time and in vogue.
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:rolleyes: GTFO
 
fociz said:
I realize i'm asking for it here. But honestly, i've now owned 4 IPS lcd/led panels from different brands, and i'm simply not impressed with these coveted panel's of which are apparently fabricated from baby Jesus himself!

I've owned a couple of TN panel's with good electronics which have looked and performed as well or better than the ips panels i've been able to spend time with before i sent them back to their makers.

I currently feel IPS is simply overrated at this time in late 2012, and i really can't appreciate their weaknesses(ips glow, panel bleed) at all.
And look..i'm all for the Korean Catleap 2560x1440p/1600p panels in my face, gloriously entertaining my eyeballs for hours at a time, but until i can actually run the plethora of dogshit console ports from this last generation of games created by teams who clearly couldn't give 2 shits about actual performance in the PC space, along with a significant amount of other issues such as microstutter, and correct fov while utilizing a $500/$1000 dollar GPU/Quad Core system sporting 16-32gb of system ram/SSD's etc etc, then i'll stick to 1080p with it's inferior pixel count and better frame rate.

I realize this is purely an uneducated gamer's opinion, and i'm most assuredly part of the minority here. But after years of PC & console gaming experience, it's apparent we're moving at a faster rate than ever before in processor/core/multi-thread/power efficiency technology. And yet sadly screen/resolution/refresh rate/panel fabrication appear to have clearly taken a back seat. Infact in some respects we appear to be moving backwards in many ways. Color and picture quality, along with panel/refresh rate appear to be at a stand still compared to every other aspect of tech these days. Or it's just so damned slow and expensive that most of us simply cannot afford such luxuries in 2012.
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Honestly, unless you're a graphic designer, IPS IS overrated. TN is likely a lot better for gaming due to the refresh rate, and in most computer usage scenarios... the distortion of colors when standing at an angle is irrelevant. IPS also has a "glow" problem.

VA panels are actually superior in a lot of ways other than refresh time, like in terms of contrast and black levels. But they've been push aside by the market due to IPS having no color shift at angles, and IPS getting popular enough to have its response times improve faster.

IPS panels are a GOOD technology, don't get me wrong. I could use such a monitor with no issues, it wouldn't kill me. I just don't feel like it's better for every application. I'd personally like to see more 4ms or lower VA panels, because I like the way they look, and they're better for most of what I use them for. But with LCDs, the best technology really depends on what you're doing with them.
 
fociz said:
Why bring anything other than tech into this post?
TV, Faith, and Politics into this? Really?

Call your father and tell him you forgive him..Christ, gimmie a break..
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ROFL wats tickin you off boys. he stated he was in the minority just letting him know he is doing what is in vogue. thats it ;)
 
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TotallyCool said:
Your rant doesn't make much sense. IPS doesn't have anything to do with the resolution of a particular display or whether you're able to run games at the native resolution.

You're also not supposed to "appreciate" the weaknesses of IPS, but deal with them, and consider that what it's offering in return is much more important to you in the end.

And while there aren't many improvements being made to current LCD technologies, and ones like OLED are having production issues, having a technology that has well matured has many benefits.



:rolleyes: GTFO
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GTFO x 2:eek::eek::eek:
 
This thread went full retard awfully fast.

I currently feel IPS is simply overrated at this time in late 2012, and i really can't appreciate their weaknesses(ips glow, panel bleed) at all.
And look..i'm all for the Korean Catleap 2560x1440p/1600p panels in my face, gloriously entertaining my eyeballs for hours at a time, but until i can actually run the plethora of dogshit console ports from this last generation of games created by teams who clearly couldn't give 2 shits about actual performance in the PC space, along with a significant amount of other issues such as microstutter, and correct fov while utilizing a $500/$1000 dollar GPU/Quad Core system sporting 16-32gb of system ram/SSD's etc etc, then i'll stick to 1080p with it's inferior pixel count and better frame rate.
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You hate IPS panels even though you don't have one. Whatever you say, pal.
 
We wont see 4ms VA panels. PERIOD.
Benq has been using very agressive overdrive to make 18ms panels become perceived as 8ms, but it is no use in some color transintions, for example black to red.
My wife loves the benq BL2400: its LED, has great black levels and has a stand that pivots to portrait easily. She no longer asks for my big, low contrast and hot as hell Apple 30".

I will use a little russian reversal: TN panels are overrated! We are almost in 2013 and people are trying to sell 1080p screens with crappy viewing angles and terible colors as " state of art gaming monitors".

Once you game at 1600p there is no going back to 1080p, sorry. Specially when there are 1440p panels capable 72-120hz, without scalers and without input lag.

What i see is so called " gamers" wasting graphics muscle in 120H-144hz @ 1080p is search of a fabled smooth image and " better gaming experience" when they could be using a higher resolution screen at slighltly less refresh rates. I am not alone in this- vega has tested and compared these so called "high end gaming TNs" against the catleaps and has declared the catlepas teh best overall gaming monitor that money can buy, and believe- money is not an issue for Vega. And i do think catleaps are overpriced ;), but not nearly as much as these " gaming TNs".

for each its own:
You wanna read or watch movies- get a VA
You wanna do photo work- get an IPS
You wanna game professionally - get a CRT
You wanna save money- get a TN
You wanna pose as gamer- waste your money on these " gaming TNs"
You wanna have the best bang for your buck- get a low input lag , fast response time IPS- dell 2312, dell 2412, catleap 27", hazro 30"- any of these panels will have less input lag that the so called " gaming TNs and total lag ( response+inpuy lag ) below 1 frame. Most will OC to at least 72hz, reducing even more the arguments in favor of "gaming TNs".

I am no longer arguing on the to perceived blur below the human perception time of 20ms, or that it makes no sense to claim a gaming advantage when the response time is already below the refresh rate . I am just point out that a higher resolution screen with great viewing angles and colors has its merits, and these merits make IPS a good choice for a panel.

The catleap is a precursor of things to come: a high resolutionb IPS panel capable of higher refresh rates. 1080p TNs are a thing of the past.
 
geok1ng said:
We wont see 4ms VA panels. PERIOD.
Benq has been using very agressive overdrive to make 18ms panels become perceived as 8ms, but it is no use in some color transintions, for example black to red.
My wife loves the benq BL2400: its LED, has great black levels and has a stand that pivots to portrait easily. She no longer asks for my big, low contrast and hot as hell Apple 30".
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Really? That kind of sucks. But I'm glad I got my 8ms Samsung MVA then, if those BenQ 4ms panels are just made up and not really any better. I'm starting to like it.

I will use a little russian reversal: TN panels are overrated! We are almost in 2013 and people are trying to sell 1080p screens with crappy viewing angles and terible colors as " state of art gaming monitors".
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I don't think the viewing angles argument makes a lot of sense unless it's a TV, but I will agree that TN panels don't seem to have great contrast or color production... how could they, they're only 6-bit panels.

Once you game at 1600p there is no going back to 1080p, sorry. Specially when there are 1440p panels capable 72-120hz, without scalers and without input lag.
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Monitors that size are way too huge for me. I would have to sit a lot further back in order to see the whole screen, plus I don't really have that much room. I'm waiting for the smaller hi-res panels, 22" or 24" is my hard limit.

What i see is so called " gamers" wasting graphics muscle in 120H-144hz @ 1080p is search of a fabled smooth image and " better gaming experience" when they could be using a higher resolution screen at slighltly less refresh rates. I am not alone in this- vega has tested and compared these so called "high end gaming TNs" against the catleaps and has declared the catlepas teh best overall gaming monitor that money can buy, and believe- money is not an issue for Vega. And i do think catleaps are overpriced ;), but not nearly as much as these " gaming TNs".
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To be honest, I've always steered away from the "gaming TNs," although I assumed they were probably better for gaming. Something about them just never set right with me. For a while I avoided ALL LCD monitors and kept my ancient CRT for gaming. I would probably still fire my CRT up if I ever had to play a really demanding game.

Kind of interesting how you say they're a rip-off, as I've always been drawn away from those, and more towards business-class monitors like Samsung, and ultimately found them satisfactory.

You wanna read or watch movies- get a VA
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To be honest, this is what I do with my computer most of the time. I do a TON of reading, and watch a lot of movies. For me, it's even better for gaming, because I play games that move at more the pace of a movie, and where it's important to be able to see something in a dark corner as clearly as possible. They're hardly high-speed FPS. TN panels SUCKED for that, until I discovered VA I wouldn't use anything but CRT and Plasma. VA would be almost as good for gaming if they could get the response times down a little more. For me, I find that once I adjust to it, it's fine right now. Some people wouldn't think so, though.

You wanna do photo work- get an IPS
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I totally agree with this. IPS has the best color gamut; even if I hate the lack of contrast and poor black levels, I have to admit it's the best in this area.

You wanna game professionally - get a CRT
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Well, at least I know now that I'm not crazy for wanting to keep my old CRTs around for my old game systems and the few "twitch" games I play. I haven't liked LCDs for those ever since they came out, and was REALLY hoping they wouldn't catch on to the point I was forced to use them, but they did.

You wanna have the best bang for your buck- get a low input lag , fast response time IPS- dell 2312, dell 2412, catleap 27", hazro 30"- any of these panels will have less input lag that the so called " gaming TNs and total lag ( response+inpuy lag ) below 1 frame. Most will OC to at least 72hz, reducing even more the arguments in favor of "gaming TNs".
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Right, IPS does have faster response times now, and is adequate for gaming. I just didn't realize it was actually on par with the TN panels, and believed there was still a small tradeoff.
I am no longer arguing on the to perceived blur below the human perception time of 20ms, or that it makes no sense to claim a gaming advantage when the response time is already below the refresh rate . I am just point out that a higher resolution screen with great viewing angles and colors has its merits, and these merits make IPS a good choice for a panel.

The catleap is a precursor of things to come: a high resolutionb IPS panel capable of higher refresh rates. 1080p TNs are a thing of the past.
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I am kind of curious about something now, though. Are IPS panels the only ones they're going to make in higher resolutions? It kind of sounds like that. I mean, is it pretty much decided that... "IPS is it, like it or not"?
 
athenian200 said:
but I will agree that TN panels don't seem to have great contrast or color production... how could they, they're only 6-bit panels.
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most modern a-frc implementations are very good - at normal viewing distances you wouldn't be able to see the difference between 6-bit and 8-bit panels. you literally would need to have your nose very close to the screen and really be looking for the temporal dithering to see it.

that said, i've seen a small handful of bad a-frc implementations on cheap tn monitors, but not on any 6-bit ips monitors.
 
fociz said:
I realize this is purely an uneducated gamer's opinion, and i'm most assuredly part of the minority here. But after years of PC & console gaming experience, it's apparent we're moving at a faster rate than ever before in processor/core/multi-thread/power efficiency technology. And yet sadly screen/resolution/refresh rate/panel fabrication appear to have clearly taken a back seat. Infact in some respects we appear to be moving backwards in many ways. Color and picture quality, along with panel/refresh rate appear to be at a stand still compared to every other aspect of tech these days. Or it's just so damned slow and expensive that most of us simply cannot afford such luxuries in 2012.
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you should start an occupy lg movement. this will bring about the change you want.
 
geok1ng said:
We wont see 4ms VA panels. PERIOD.
Benq has been using very agressive overdrive to make 18ms panels become perceived as 8ms, but it is no use in some color transintions, for example black to red.
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your post is seeping with bias and misinformation, but i don't have time to comment on all of it so i'll just respond to this part.

Benq is using overdrive on their VA monitors, yes, BUT, so does every IPS monitor that can be even remotely targeted at gamers. latest AUO VA panels are rated 12ms, with overdrive it's down to 4. it's even better number than most IPS panels that are rated at 16ms or so and overdrive down to 5.

regarding actual overdrive functionality, if you read latest reviews of Benq VA monitors vs Dell IPS monitors, you'll see that Benq actually use LESS aggressive and more efficient overdrive than Dell, and on top of that Benq's overdrive is customizable and not permanently enabled like in latest Dell IPS models.

so please, please, educate yourself before bashing VA technology which made amazing developments in recent years.
 
Why get all worked up over this? Find something that works, and stick with it. My Dell US has it's issues, but I got over them as soon as I saw just how *good* the color gamut was. Refresh rate really isn't an issue for me, but then again, I'm not running a powerful system, more mid range this day in age.
 
TN panels are simply unusable after getting accustomed to either IPS or VA, whether it's for gaming, productivity, photo work, or just browsing... end of story.
 
I've used IPS all my life since I ditched CRT in 2001. My first LCD was a Dell 2001FP 20.1" 1600x1200 S-IPS panel. Every time I tried moving to a TN panel I couldn't stand the viewing angles. Particularly the vertical viewing angle when viewing the monitor from below.

My monitor is set up so my eyes are parallel with the center of the monitor, so I am always viewing the top half of the monitor from below. With a TN panel the top inch or so of the monitor's color is horribly distorted and on the verge of inverting the colors, it's that bad on any TN I've tried in my room.

This is the sole reason that I don't use TN panels, it just looks bad and in games and movies I can't see much of that top inch or so its so dark and inverting and for me that's unacceptable. I don't have to use IPS though. I also love my Dell 2408WFP as it doesn't have viewing angle problems either.
 
In multimonitor setups the color shift when viewing at odd angles gets to be a problem real quick. 3xTN panels of any significant size gets pretty bad real fast. I'm also quite sensitive to input lag. And for those reasons I'll stick with IPS.
 
I think people here are a little overzealous when it comes to IPS.
They compare the cheapest TN panels to IPS panels that cost 5 times as much.

On a good TN the color shift is negligible if you are sitting directly in front of the screen and a good TN can still have a fast response time that doesn't have terrible overdrive.

Each panel type has its advantages but as a hardcore competitive gamer the response times of IPS aren't adequate for me. An 8 ms response time is unplayable to me and I can tell the difference between a 5 ms and 2 ms response screen.
 
sharknice said:
They compare the cheapest TN panels to IPS panels that cost 5 times as much.

On a good TN the color shift is negligible if you are sitting directly in front of the screen and a good TN can still have a fast response time that doesn't have terrible overdrive.
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What's a "good" TN then? I have tried several. From Samsung, LG, Viewsonic, Asus, BenQ etc. Compared to my $400 2408WFP which costs roughly twice the ~$200 22-24" TN panels.

Every TN has terrible color shift bordering on full inversion when my eyes are level with the center of the screen and I look to the top half and especially the top inch of the panel.

If I sit with my eyes level with the top of the TN panel then it looks fine, but that hurts my neck to always be looking down on my monitor. I want to look straight ahead when I work/game/read.

I would use a TN if it didn't have this problem, but I've yet to see even one.
 
I like to use my monitors in portrait - therefore I have a choice between IPS and... that's it. That's the only option (well, maybe *VA but those are few and far between). TN just doesn't work for this use case at all.
 
SirMaster said:
What's a "good" TN then? I have tried several. From Samsung, LG, Viewsonic, Asus, BenQ etc. Compared to my $400 2408WFP which costs roughly twice the ~$200 22-24" TN panels.

Every TN has terrible color shift bordering on full inversion when my eyes are level with the center of the screen and I look to the top half and especially the top inch of the panel.

If I sit with my eyes level with the top of the TN panel then it looks fine, but that hurts my neck to always be looking down on my monitor. I want to look straight ahead when I work/game/read.

I would use a TN if it didn't have this problem, but I've yet to see even one.
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have you tried benq t221w or hp w2207 its awesome
 
dopple said:
have you tried benq t221w or hp w2207 its awesome
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Haven't seen those personally, but I'm also not interested in anything under 1920x1080 and I prefer 1920x1200.

The last TN I used was a BenQ XL2420T and it had terrible vertical viewing angles.
 
After my CRT bite the dust i have tried TN, IPS and MVA Monitors and decided to keep the MVA Monitors because for me it was the best LCD all around which had less annoying LCD problems in a dark room.
 
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In my opinion all types of LCD are more similar than different.

And the differences are pretty easy to understand and categorise.

Hopefully an emmissive technology like OLED or crystal LED will come along sooner or later to relegate LCD monitors to the history books.
 
sharknice said:
On a good TN the color shift is negligible if you are sitting directly in front of the screen and a good TN can still have a fast response time that doesn't have terrible overdrive.
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Bull.

All TN screens have strong vertical color shift. TN has the worst color shift of any LCD type. This is picture straight on of my TN screen:

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Background color should be the same top and bottom. You can learn to tolerate this if you aren't very picky and you don't do any graphics/image touch up work, but it isn't negligible by any stretch of the imagination. I have looked at dozens of TN screen, they all do this. It is pretty much what defines a TN screen.
 
the problems some people have experienced with IPS displays is because they have cheap IPS displays.
Tier 1 IPS monitors from NEC, HP, etc. shouldn't be compared to generic korean monitors or IPS gaming monitors.
 
I'll add my opinion in this. For me, it's IPS and *VA for me only. I used to use TN's exclusizly because you could build a multi-monitor setup fast with them (as they are cheap). But as I used better lcd's, I couldn't go back. The nail in the coffin was when I used a 5x1 Portrait setup with 23" 1080p TN panels back when the 5870 was released. Vertical Shift is the killer for TN. Here's my 30"rs with 17"rs on the sides in portrait that I was doing for giggles back in the day. You'll see just how bad the vertical shift is. And those panels were not "cheap" at the time:

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Here's my 5x1 Portrait TN setup. You can see it get darker from left to right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW-DL8dqPGM
 
SirMaster said:
What's a "good" TN then? I have tried several. From Samsung, LG, Viewsonic, Asus, BenQ etc. Compared to my $400 2408WFP which costs roughly twice the ~$200 22-24" TN panels.

Every TN has terrible color shift bordering on full inversion when my eyes are level with the center of the screen and I look to the top half and especially the top inch of the panel.

If I sit with my eyes level with the top of the TN panel then it looks fine, but that hurts my neck to always be looking down on my monitor. I want to look straight ahead when I work/game/read.

I would use a TN if it didn't have this problem, but I've yet to see even one.
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I use a ViewSonic V3D245. My eye level is just above the center of the screen and there is no color shift from this perspective.
I can see color shift if I am looking from underneath or the side and a slight shift if I'm looking from above, but in a normal sitting position it isn't noticeable at all.
 
Viewing angle issues kills any idea of me using a TN panel ever again.
 
sharknice said:
I use a ViewSonic V3D245. My eye level is just above the center of the screen and there is no color shift from this perspective.
I can see color shift if I am looking from underneath or the side and a slight shift if I'm looking from above, but in a normal sitting position it isn't noticeable at all.
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If you don't see it, you just aren't very picky, because that screen is just as bad as TN screens from 10 years ago.

Here is Acer with the same 120Hz TN screen. It is just as bad as any TN screen in the last decade.
http://www.digitalversus.com/lcd-monitor/face-off/10694-14523-11893-versus-table.html
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That is an IPS screen on the bottom for comparison purposes.
 
geok1ng said:
For each its own:
You wanna read or watch movies- get a VA
You wanna do photo work- get an IPS
You wanna game professionally - get a CRT
You wanna save money- get a TN
You wanna pose as gamer- waste your money on these " gaming TNs"
You wanna have the best bang for your buck- get a low input lag , fast response time IPS- dell 2312, dell 2412, catleap 27", hazro 30"- any of these panels will have less input lag that the so called " gaming TNs and total lag ( response+inpuy lag ) below 1 frame. Most will OC to at least 72hz, reducing even more the arguments in favor of "gaming TNs".
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You do realize that the LightBoost monitors have changed things somewhat?

Vega still prefers the color quality of IPS. However he reported a few days ago his jaws dropped: In _terms_ of motion blur, the XL2411T (with the zero motion blur strobe backlight tweak for 2D) performed like a CRT in terms of zero motion blur -- zero perceptible motion blur.

Vega said:
Oh my, I just got Skyrim AFK camera spinning (which I used to test LCD's versus the FW900) to run without stutters and VSYNC locked to 120. This Benq with Lightboost is just as crystal clear if not clearer than the FW900 motion. I am in awe. More testing tomorrow. Any of my doubts about this Lightboost technology have been vaporized! I've been playing around with this fluid motion on this monitor for like 6-hours straight, that is how impressive it is.
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Some of us are investgiating options on hacking an IPS-monitor with a scanning or strobed backlight, for eye-tracking based motion blur elimination.

I am no longer arguing on the to perceived blur below the human perception time of 20ms
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No need to. I posted a massive list of Science & References. Display motion blur actually has nothing to do with the human perception time, but more to do with retinal blurring (eye-tracking based motion blur), according to scientific tests. The motion blur is there even if pixel response time is instant (0ms).

Even 2ms LCD's have a MPRT rating of approximately 16ms at 60Hz that is impossible to bypass without increasing refresh rate, and/or by strobing (ala CRT). It's just the nature of a sample-and-hold technology. Next time someone argues, just post a link to that page to quiet people. Strobe backlight LCD's reduce motion blur on LCD by as much as 94% (1ms backlight strobes) or 85% (2ms backlight strobes) respectively. This is much bigger than the difference of the 60Hz->120Hz jump.

Anyway, strobe backlight LCD's changes the game -- it combines the advantages of CRT (zero motion blur) with the LCD. We are hoping some manufacturer marries a strobe backlight with an IPS LCD.... pronto. (ASAP!)
 
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I personaly quite enjoy my IPS monitor. Before I had 24" tn panel and in order to watch movies from my couch i had to tilt it quite a bit. Now I sit on the the same spot and i don't have to do anything to my new monitor, 'cause I can see everything just fine :)
 
Snowdog said:
Bull.

All TN screens have strong vertical color shift. TN has the worst color shift of any LCD type. This is picture straight on of my TN screen:

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Background color should be the same top and bottom. You can learn to tolerate this if you aren't very picky and you don't do any graphics/image touch up work, but it isn't negligible by any stretch of the imagination. I have looked at dozens of TN screen, they all do this. It is pretty much what defines a TN screen.
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even the mva s2440l does this but horizontally.
 
IPS were overrated (until this year), you know back when all we had to chose from were grainy, wide gamut, tinting plagued IPS with poor black levels and input lag (U2410/U2711, all 30") and grainy 23" e-IPS, most of which were plagued by tinting and light-bleeding and panel lottery issues too.

Now LG has changed their coating to the matte stickers on most of the newer models (slim bezel line models have removable matte stickers) which is pretty light, most IPS can do 1000:1-1200:1 contrast vs. 600-800:1 and there are plenty of sRGB IPS options as well as models without scalers for gamers. Tinting seems to be less of an issue, however IPS still most commonly suffer from large contrast, gamma and color variances as well as light-bleeding.

Next year we will see plenty of Samsung PLS panels come onto the market as well as properly over-driven A-MVA panels.
 
You wanna read or watch movies- CRT
You wanna do photo work- get an CRT
You wanna game professionally - get a CRT
You wanna save money- get a CRT
You wanna pose as gamer- waste your money on these " gaming TNs"



as a gamer whose won couple of competitions locally i can tell you the more you move the eyes around the screen the slower your response is. the more you keep your gaze at a fixed spot say 6inch x 6 inch at centre (sitting 2-3 feet from the screen) and let the action come to the center , and dont overstretch your peripheral vision the more accuracy and fast response you get.

the smoothest motion and speed and response comes from a CRT. the smaller resolution 1024x768 is probably the best.

The web involves a lot of scrolling and tab shifting and moving windows around. On a CRT everything is butter smooth and you get through work in a snap because you let everything come to your gaze at the centre and dont move your eyes around (for this smoothness is a 100% requirement). on any LCD this approach quickly turns aggravatingly jerky and dirty. LCDs will simply slow you down in any kind of work (you have to move your eyes around a lot more so you are much slower esp as the resolution increases). at 1024x768 text is nice an big though not as sharp as LCD but easily acceptable. on a CRT i pick things up even during scrolling rapidly especially headlines and thumbnails but ona LCD i have to scroll a page then pause then scroll then pause to see what is loaded. it is not smooth, you cant get an idea of whats on the screen on the fly. (try the readability test of pixperan)

I dont like widescreens so personally a 21"er flat screen sony crt works just perfectly for me at 120 hz. no hassles with backlights or emissions (look for TCO compliance many LCDs have problems with emissions due to them not being TCO compliant to save money eg dell s2440L, eyes will tire much faster) or gamma shifts or bleeding , nothing nada.

like i always say getting a CRT over LCD (any) is like getting broadband over dialup.

i personally find one large res LCD better than multi LCD setup and one snappy CRT better than one large res LCD for getting any kind of work done.

for movies i still use a separate TV or better yet go to the theatre :D
 
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