Shalafi
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the iPad is a steaming pile of shit belched from Steve Job's arse, but the unwashed masses are just delighted he's releasing a truck of his shit they can buy their piece and take it home
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The majority of people don't care about open platforms or freedom to choose. They don't want to be frustrated with 'complicated' things like PCs or be overwhelmed with tons of choices. They want a walled garden approach where someone higher up makes most of the complicated and/or 'scary' decisions for them. Hell, many of the people that I work with are downright intimidated with their PCs and end up calling me up because they're afraid to make changes. They'd rather have someone (or something) else do it for them.
Power users may bemoan the lack of features and choices when it comes to the iPad or any Apple device, but people want that. Even if the iPad turns out to be a fad, it will at least symbolize what's in store for the future. To me, that's far more important that the device itself (which I care little about personally).
The majority of people don't care about open platforms or freedom to choose. They don't want to be frustrated with 'complicated' things like PCs or be overwhelmed with tons of choices. They want a walled garden approach where someone higher up makes most of the complicated and/or 'scary' decisions for them. Hell, many of the people that I work with are downright intimidated with their PCs and end up calling me up because they're afraid to make changes. They'd rather have someone (or something) else do it for them.
Power users may bemoan the lack of features and choices when it comes to the iPad or any Apple device, but people want that. Even if the iPad turns out to be a fad, it will at least symbolize what's in store for the future. To me, that's far more important that the device itself (which I care little about personally).
The majority of people don't care about open platforms or freedom to choose. They don't want to be frustrated with 'complicated' things like PCs or be overwhelmed with tons of choices. They want a walled garden approach where someone higher up makes most of the complicated and/or 'scary' decisions.
If that was really true, Macs would rule the marketplace by now. Or we'd be running Commodores or Amigas or Texas Instruments computers.
IBM PC clones became DOS systems and then Windows. Windows is dominant now for a reason. Openness got it there. Not a walled garden approach.
the iPad is a steaming pile of shit belched from Steve Job's arse, but the unwashed masses are just delighted he's releasing a truck of his shit they can buy their piece and take it home
I think you're over-analyzing. Personally, I think the majority of people want something that just works, rather than crashing, locking up, or displaying a BSOD; something they'll be able to use without calling you all the time.
Good quality Windows devices just work all the time. Requires about 30 REALLY tough minutes of training though.
I think you're over-analyzing. Personally, I think the majority of people want something that just works, rather than crashing, locking up, or displaying a BSOD; something they'll be able to use without calling you all the time.
It is hard to argue with Mac fans. When it comes to the flaws of Windows instead of picking something relevant or current they still live in the BSOD era of Windows 98. They would never tell you something like Apple with all their glory and "magical" engineering has failed to enable Video decoding on anything but a Geforce 9400 (which is pathetic considering they have a small list of graphics chips to support) while every Windows 7 (and Windows Vista) can use DXVA to decode video on any GPU in the market. That's just a small example
In terms of marketshare if it is in their favour (iPod or iPhone) then marketshare is the indicator of popularity and quality, When it is not in their favour (Mac), then all of a sudden marketshare becomes some worthless random number. They would come up with all sorts of crazy theories to explain how Windows became dominant. In their world, no one would choose a Windows unless forced on them by evil OEMs and more evil Microsoft
I'm typing this on an iPad right now. And let me say, I like it for browsing the web on my bed/bathroom....about it. It'd never replace a regular computer for me but I can see people who only use their computers for Facebook and tmz not needing anything else. But anyway...screen on thing is absolutely gorgeous.
I keep hearing this, but I don't know anyone who only uses their computer for e-mail, facebook, and web browsing. That might be what some people do most of the time but what happens when you need to fucking print something? What happens when you need to pull the pics off of your digital camera? What's that? You can't sync your iPod with your iPad? The iPad can't replace a computer for even the most menial of tasks and if you think the iPad could replace a PC for ANYONE then your head is filled with water.
My head is full of water! In all seriousness, though, I don't know the people you come across in life, but people I know (a lot of them) only use their computer for Facebook and YouTube. They use their phones as cameras and print shit whenever they need to at the fedex store....they don't even have printers. In fact im surprised the majority of them haven't already accidentally killed themselves with their electronic devices.
Dude...you are so out of touch with people--most are technologically retarded. They don't even update their phones and wouldn't know if there was an update. In fact, you need iTunes to set up the iPad...but I'm guessing once that is taken care of they can pretty much use their iPad for their Facebook bullshit.
People are completely missing the point of this device, as Omerta is trying to explain. This is a web browsing/small app toy that doesn't replace a computer, but a laptop for those that like to have something small but do not do any work on it. Thats it... I think the concept is cool, but I'm waiting for more features and maybe an android/windows competitor.
People are completely missing the point of this device, as Omerta is trying to explain. This is a web browsing/small app toy that doesn't replace a computer, but a laptop for those that like to have something small but do not do any work on it. Thats it... I think the concept is cool, but I'm waiting for more features and maybe an android/windows competitor.
I'm hoping the HP Slate gets stylus support. Frankly, that's the only "iPad style" device I'm excited about right now. The iPad is a cool gadget. Anyone who can't at least admit that is way too bitter and anti-Apple. I agree that it has far too many limits and shortcoming to truly deserve to be successful. If the public buys the crap out of these I will be extremely disappointed, not because it necessarily sucks, but because it easily could have been SO MUCH MORE and been useful to such a larger and more diverse crowd with simple additions such as some kind of card reader even ... what a shame!
But he said it could replace a PC for someone who only does facebook, web browsing, and e-mail when I just proved it cannot. Hell, not even web browsing, no Flash hahaha
Wow, OK...you don't get it.
Even if you still need your computer to keep the iPad up to date or whatever, it would still essentially be replacing their computer for most of the tasks they perform...which is browse on facebook, watch youtube vids, and whatever dumbass shit they use their computers for. Essentially their computer would be regulated to how something like a gas station works....just a hub to refill your primary device. You can't say driving doesn't truly replace walking to travel because you need to fill up your vehicle with gas every so often--same thing with the iPad.
Cars replace walking long distances. The iPad replaces a full browsing experience, multitasking, and not being limited.
Also since a car analogy was used this thread is officially dead. Nothing can bring a thread back from car analogies.
And I know the trend is kind of scary....but it'll take at least a decade, probably, before fully closed systems like the ipad evolve enough for it to truly be the main computational device for the dumb masses of the world. I know that's a scary thought, but that is the free market. Even the iPad at its current state replaces the masses' main PC for 99% of their tasks--music listening, web browsing, and playing games.
People at hardforum are the minority.
I don't know why you're so, quite frankly, biased toward to the subject. I'm not trying to praise the ipad as a replacement for PCs, and I clearly said it's not. I don't even understand how people would want to use a 10 inch screen to do their browsing on all the time. But the fact of the matter is, people are dumb and couldn't care less, and the trend seems to be that they'll want easier to use and more closed down systems to do the majority of their "computing" on. Whether they have to connect it to their PC or not, doesn't really make a difference to them. They'll love sitting on their couches and using their ipadz to look at the cute american idol contestants while watching american idol. It's just how people are.
And I know the trend is kind of scary....but it'll take at least a decade, probably, before fully closed systems like the ipad evolve enough for it to truly be the main computational device for the dumb masses of the world. I know that's a scary thought, but that is the free market. Even the iPad at its current state replaces the masses' main PC for 99% of their tasks--music listening, web browsing, and playing games.
People at hardforum are the minority.
So only 1% of people actually do anything productive with their computers and use 1024x768 screens? Or download torrents?
Look you might be right but at the same time PC's do a lot of things like Bly Ray movies and cable TV and video editing. I just think that too many people think that people are doing nothing but surfing the web play music and games. I think there's a TON more stuff that the average person does with a PC.
But at the end of the day its about cost. I can get a decent PC for less of the cost of todays iPad with a bigger screen and do the same stuff.
Yeah that's all 99% of people do. They will never print a document, use a flash website, need to use a form of USB storage, the list goes on and on. You can say there are the 3 main tasks or whatever but there is so much to do. You said in an earlier post it could replace a pc/laptop for someone who just listens to music/ plays games/ checks facebook/e-mail but it can't, it's just impossible.
I'm sure the iPad is a fun toy / e-reader but it lacks so much basic functionality it's amusing. Let's say I wanted it to replace my computer for web browsing, well NO FLASH. Music playing? NO FLAC. Chatting? No webcam. The iPad can browse the web, chat, and play music and it does them all like it's 1995.
Pretty much man. If you see the people I come across in my life, though anecdotal, you'll understand why I am so pessimistic about the whole computer industry and how it's gonna evolve. I don't think ANYONE and i mean ANYONE i know in real life knows what a torrent is.
I don't know why you keep bringing up flash...I wish flash would just go away TBH.
But yes, that is what most people do...they mainly use their PC for web browsing, music, and games. If that is what they are doing 99% of the time...it is replacing their conventional PCs 99% of the time. And seriously, you're bringing up FLAC? Go on a trip to New York and ask everyone on the street if they know what FLAC is...they'll probably think it's a type of meat.
You keep bringing up stuff the iPad cannot do, but that's not the point. Yes, you can't print something from it, but it just isn't the point.
Come walk in my shoes for a day and see the people I know, you'd be just as pessimistic as the computer industry as I am.
New Yorkers are ignorant so your comment is irrelevant.
I'm sure the iPad is a fun toy / e-reader but it lacks so much basic functionality it's amusing. Let's say I wanted it to replace my computer for web browsing, well NO FLASH. Music playing? NO FLAC. Chatting? No webcam. The iPad can browse the web, chat, and play music and it does them all like it's 1995.
While FLAC isn't exactly a huge loss considering the storage capacity (better options) keep in mind it makes a horrible reader. Dedicated devices using the E-Ink screen beat this and any conventional display hands down. I find it amusing that people are concerned its some kind of 'Kindle Killer'...while I am not a fan of the Kindle it's not even a fair comparison for reading anything longer than an email or news blurb.
Omerta happens to be right on some level. Most people simply do not know what FLAC is or what torrents are, etc.. In a sense, Apple is taking advantage of peoples ignorance with clever marketing and the 'cache' Apple has somehow managed to build. Face some facts, there are far more clueless people out there to sell to than intelligent ones and making a new shiny toy that looks pretty (but does little else) isn't exactly a losing strategy.
People who are not idiots and do not care about owning everything trendy or new will likely give this device a pass for now as there are far better options. Those people are simply outnumbered by those who do not know better.
Exactly, only idiots will buy the iPad.
i guess i'm an idiot. Though I had a weird reason for buying it. It has an IPS panel and i'd do anything to not use the TN panels on laptops for couch/bed/bathroom use...lol
New Yorkers are ignorant so your comment is irrelevant.