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If you don't care about stability, then that's your prerogative. But don't pretend that your PC is actually stable if it doesn't crash during general usage but fails Prime and/or IBT. Some people actually do care about having a fully stable PC.I personally give two shits whether or not my OC is "stable" in Intel Burn or even Prime.
If it never crashes or hangs during your normal uses, then who really gives a fuck?
I personally give two shits whether or not my OC is "stable" in Intel Burn or even Prime.
If your machine is unstable enough to fail a calculation error in Prime or IBT it will most likely fail encoding video, compressing files, etc.
Did anyone ever stop to think that perhaps IBT itself is flawed, badly coded, and that might account for everything else maxed out and stable without issues for hours on end but that one single particular utility craps out?
Funny, nobody ever does... I don't trust any single piece of software to tell me a system is stable. Daily regular usage of the whole box and every piece of software that I normally use tells me that when it doesn't freeze, overheat, or randomly reboot.
Why do people make this so fuckin' tough on themselves?
One app is not an indicator of stability - using the PC without issues is.
One app is not an indicator of stability - using the PC without issues is.
Did anyone ever stop to think that perhaps IBT itself is flawed, badly coded, and that might account for everything else maxed out and stable without issues for hours on end but that one single particular utility craps out?
five passes of IBT, two hours of OCCT, and at least eight hours of Prime95.
If your machine is unstable enough to fail a calculation error in Prime or IBT it will most likely fail encoding video, compressing files, etc.
In all seriousness, no one wants to hear about your system issues or your all mighty overclock if you haven't tested for stability
Okay so my 4 Ghz oc - runs prime for hours, all my games , dvd ripping and recoding -- absolutley everything - but the IBI crashes it in like 2 mins. Should I be worried?
Considering IBT is just a wrapper for Linpack which was written by Intel to test their CPUs, it's quite unlikely that it's a flawed, badly coded program. I agree with the rest of your post though, in the sense that it's necessary to run a multitude of tests to actually determine true stability.Did anyone ever stop to think that perhaps IBT itself is flawed, badly coded, and that might account for everything else maxed out and stable without issues for hours on end but that one single particular utility craps out?
No, I wouldn't consider it to be stable, because if it fails even a single test, then it quite simply isn't stable. That isn't an opinion, it's a matter of fact. Whether or not an unstable machine is stable enough for you is a personal choice, but stability itself is not debatable. Either it is, or it isn't.Honestly, who cares if a calculation stress test crashes/hangs your machine?
If you can't crash it doing anything you use your computer for, then wouldn't you consider it "stable"?
That's the thing though. There are problems, and apps like P95 and IBT are the things that tell you about them. If you don't stress-test, you won't see the problems, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And for all you know, your system could actually be affected, you just haven't noticed it. For example, you could be doing some calculations in an Excel spreadsheet one day, and one of them will return wrong, and you'd never realize it.We just want our shit to work and if it is, without any noticeable problems, then thats good enough.
I agree with this 100%I personally give two shits whether or not my OC is "stable" in Intel Burn or even Prime.
If it never crashes or hangs during your normal uses, then who really gives a fuck?
Unless you're trying to break some kind of OC record.
If it gets the job done it gets the job done. Those stress tests put your system through a load that you will most likely never put it through. Only if you're doing heavy animation/video/graphics editing will you even come close.
I don't believe this thread was created to gloat about his overclock or complain about his stability problems. Lets quote the OP:
So no, stability really doesn't seem to be an issue, unless there is something NOTICEABLE.
Yes there might be an error when encoding etc, but unless it gets noticed, does it matter?
Not in my mind.
This has turned into a battle between the uber overclockers, and the people who just OC to get some performance increases. The latter, really doesn't give a fuck whether thier system is "stable" by the former's standards or not. We just want our shit to work and if it is, without any noticeable problems, then thats good enough.
I personally give two shits whether or not my OC is "stable" in Intel Burn or even Prime.
If it never crashes or hangs during your normal uses, then who really gives a fuck?
Unless you're trying to break some kind of OC record.
If it gets the job done it gets the job done. Those stress tests put your system through a load that you will most likely never put it through. Only if you're doing heavy animation/video/graphics editing will you even come close.
Personally, I'd be pissed if that save game didn't work because of a simple rounding error.
Outstanding! You made a meaningless small reduction in O/C based on testing. Perfect. That is why we test. Now you have a great O/C.
.5ghz over Intel's fastest 1000 dollar part and you KNOW it is stable.
Why any one objects to this kind of validation much less engages in pointless arguments about why its not a good idea is beyond me.
Cost of O/C = Nothing
Cost of Validation = Nothing
Safe stable machine that wont crash or lose data = Priceless.
on that note, why does it bother you that my definition of stability is different than yours?
on that note, why does it bother you that my definition of stability is different than yours?
You all keep making these scenarious where you'd hate if this happened or you don't want that to happen, but the bottom line is, until it DOES happen, there isn't anything to worry about.
I personally give two shits whether or not my OC is "stable" in Intel Burn or even Prime.
If it never crashes or hangs during your normal uses, then who really gives a fuck?
Unless you're trying to break some kind of OC record.
If it gets the job done it gets the job done. Those stress tests put your system through a load that you will most likely never put it through. Only if you're doing heavy animation/video/graphics editing will you even come close.
i'm with this guy. if my system stays up during 4 and 5 hour game sessions, its stable enough. for me. when somebody is paying me to have a pc that can run prime95 or linpack or whatev for 24 hours, then i will worry about it.
okay discussion, the real point is, it's up to you. If your happy with the stability you do have, leave it. If the stability you have now isn't enough, change it. It's your machine, whatever works for you.
okay discussion, the real point is, it's up to you. If your happy with the stability you do have, leave it. If the stability you have now isn't enough, change it. It's your machine, whatever works for you.
Not exactly. That's all well and good as long as you're not posting on a public forum trying to mislead people into believing that your PC is completely stable when there are tools available that are very easy to use that will show otherwise.
To make a statement that "my PC is stable enough for what I use it for", is one thing.
To make a statement that "my PC is completely stable", is another.
Sounds similar but entirely different meanings. The fact is some people are more concerned with bragging rights than they are telling the truth.