Intel: Why the Scull Logo?

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Why has Intel used a scull logo on their flagship X79 motherboards?

What does it mean?

What is it meant to represent?
 
It's a killer board? Why are you looking for meaning and representation?
 
It means the same thing that the AR clips and pistols that Gigabyte puts on their flagship boards mean... nothing. It's just stupid marketing poop.
 
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It is just marketing for Intel.

Why does it matter?

I don't know why anyone would want to buy a Intel board, I find is silly Intel makes boards anymore. There are TONS of manufactures that make a much much better board.
 
Nickbaldwin86 said:
/\ HAHA FAIL! /\

It is just marketing for Intel.

Why does it matter?

I don't know why anyone would want to buy a Intel board, I find is silly Intel makes boards anymore. There are TONS of manufactures that make a much much better board.
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intel makes a fine motherboard... I'm not sure where your hate comes from.
 
Its meant to represent that people who can't spell worth a shit will die from dictionaries being dropped on their heads.
 
Zangmonkey said:
intel makes a fine motherboard... I'm not sure where your hate comes from.
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hate???? what hate? I never said I hated them nor did I say that they are junk. Don't put words into my posts.

I clearly stated that there are much better boards with much better options, which is mostly my opinion and you can draw your own conclusion on which boards are the best. I know I wouldn't ever buy a Intel board, and not because they are junk.
 
Zangmonkey said:
intel makes a fine motherboard... I'm not sure where your hate comes from.
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Heh, uh, no they don't. I've always had to flash to the newest BIOS to get any sort of stability out of their motherboards. I've seen better build quality come from ECS and ASRock compared to Intel.
 
bellisca said:
Heh, uh, no they don't. I've always had to flash to the newest BIOS to get any sort of stability out of their motherboards. I've seen better build quality come from ECS and ASRock compared to Intel.
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Then you are doing something wrong. I've owned 6 or 7 of them ranging from the cheap to the ultra expensive and all of them still work to this day. I've never had stability issues with them. They aren't quite as loaded with features as Gigabyte or ASUS, but they work right out of the box with minimal effort. The biggest problem with Intel boards is that they are severely lacking in the overclocking department.
 
I like how an editor is telling me that I am doing something wrong. That's quite the ego...

I must have at least who knows how many whitebox systems in this office and other offices with Intel motherboards in them. They all range from older D865PERL's to D945GTP/GNT's. We also have one system with a DP35DP. All of them have had their share of issues with memory compatibility and stability. Most of them have been fixed with BIOS updates, and some boards were just bad from the start. I've had 6 Intel boards die within the past year. I've also had the pleasure of dealing with a corrupted BIOS offered from Intel for the D945GTP which killed two motherboards. To say the least, they are not the perfect motherboard manufacturer you claim them to be.

I've still got a payroll girl running a P4 with a sub $80 P4VP-MX. I didn't have to do anything to get that computer running properly. My own office workstation till has a P5B vanilla running strong. I'm sure that we could have a pissing match all day long, but I stand by my experiences with Intel.
 
bellisca said:
I like how an editor is telling me that I am doing something wrong. That's quite the ego...

I must have at least who knows how many whitebox systems in this office and other offices with Intel motherboards in them. They all range from older D865PERL's to D945GTP/GNT's. We also have one system with a DP35DP. All of them have had their share of issues with memory compatibility and stability. I've had 6 Intel boards die within the past year. I've also had the pleasure of dealing with a corrupted BIOS offered from Intel for the D945GTP which killed two motherboards. To say the least, they are not the perfect motherboard manufacturer you claim them to be.

I've still got a payroll girl running a P4 with a sub $80 P4VP-MX. I didn't have to do anything to get that computer running properly. My own office workstation till has a P5B vanilla running strong. I'm sure that we could have a pissing match all day long, but I stand by my experiences with Intel.
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I've been building and working on PC's since before my adult life began. I've been doing work with computer hardware professionally for 15 years. I've been reviewing boards for about 6 years now. In that time I've worked with dozens of Intel branded boards and I've never had any serious problems with any of them. I'm not saying they make the best boa5rds, but if you are having stability issues with them consistently then you are either doing something wrong and it's not the boards or you've worked with one or two and got bad ones as luck would have it.

That's really about the only explanation I can see for this. I think most enthusiasts with experience using Intel branded boards will all tell you something similar. Intel boards are known for their stability and reliability. I've got an Intel PR440FX Pentium Pro board that still works to this day. I've got two DX48BT2's still going strong. I've had one DP35P which neverr let me down in the year I had it. I've got two DX5400XS's which again still work. I've had more boards come and go over the years and Intel's been among the most reliable out of all the boards I've owned and worked with.

I never said Intel was perfect. There are a lot of things I don't like about their boards. The fact that they are almost completely out of touch with the enthusiast community is one thing that gets me when they try to sell these half-assed "Extreme" series boards. I raked Intel over the coals on their DX58SO2 board. I have seen issues with Intel boards and some of the cheaper value RAM solutions. Then again I've seen that shitty memory cause problems with hundreds of machines with every imaginable motherboard brand in them. To be frank, the fact is most of the white box builders I've seen use the shittiest components with the highest margins in order to maximize their profits. I'm not blaming them for thinking that way, but it's no wonder many of them have problems. I've seen some extremely cheap memory modules and power supplies used in such systems. Having repaired computers for a living I've seen hundreds of such machines. I'm not saying all these you build are like that, but I just don't see how you could have such consistently opposite experiences with their boards if you've used anywhere near as many of them as I have.
 
To be quite frank, all the office systems were built using Enermax power supplies and Kingston Value RAM. I wouldn't be caught dead using a Deer, RaidMAX, or some other $40 chassis w/ power supply included to build a system nor use AZEN RAM in a build. To be honest, I didn't even build those systems. They were in this office before I came along. Perhaps it was bad luck, but I've been in this business as long as you have - 18 years with assembly (Yes, I've been building since the days of VLB on 386 motherboards).
 
I Agree with Dan on this one. Any time we do custom builds for businesses we always use Intel boards because they are so damn solid. I have never had an issue with a single one out of the hundreds I've built.

They overclock extremely poorly and tend to lack features which is why we stay away from them for gamers.
 
bellisca said:
To be quite frank, all the office systems were built using Enermax power supplies and Kingston Value RAM. I wouldn't be caught dead using a Deer, RaidMAX, or some other $40 chassis w/ power supply included to build a system nor use AZEN RAM in a build. To be honest, I didn't even build those systems. They were in this office before I came along. Perhaps it was bad luck, but I've been in this business as long as you have - 18 years with assembly (Yes, I've been building since the days of VLB on 386 motherboards).
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It may be that Kingston Value RAM. The stuff is terrible. I couldnt make it work on the D865PERL among others. Switched to Corsair XMS and the problem was resolved.
 
Haha... this is definitely turning into an interesting thread, merely cause of opposing experiences. I must have gone through hundreds of KVR kits in system assembly and have them work fine with Asus, Gigabyte, and oddly, a few picky DFI motherboards. I've got an old retired D865PERL sitting here with 4 x 512MB PC3200 modules. Even though that system using it was full of dust by the time I popped the side panel off, it was still working fine before the user was upgraded to a Core 2 based HP desktop. I've had a few bad kits come from Kingston, but they've been fast to replace the bad kits I had to send back.

WIth the XMS PC3200, I always had to watch the revision to make sure that I got a batch with Samsung IC's. Corsair switched to a different lower quality IC manufacturer later on and I had to switch RAM manufacturers due to that.
 
bellisca said:
Haha... this is definitely turning into an interesting thread, merely cause of opposing experiences. I must have gone through hundreds of KVR kits in system assembly and have them work fine with Asus, Gigabyte, and oddly, a few picky DFI motherboards. I've got an old retired D865PERL sitting here with 4 x 512MB PC3200 modules. Even though that system using it was full of dust by the time I popped the side panel off, it was still working fine before the user was upgraded to a Core 2 based HP desktop. I've had a few bad kits come from Kingston, but they've been fast to replace the bad kits I had to send back.

WIth the XMS PC3200, I always had to watch the revision to make sure that I got a batch with Samsung IC's. Corsair switched to a different lower quality IC manufacturer later on and I had to switch RAM manufacturers due to that.
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I've only had troulbe with the value RAM on 680i SLI boards and some Intel boards. Everything else it's worked fine. I still call it crap because I've never had those types of issues with nicer modules.
 
I have an Assassin2....while I agree the skulls and guns and shit are ridiculous its really not a big deal after its inside your rig...in fact after you put a video card in you cant see them at all
 
Frankly you are both right IMO...

Intel makes SOLID hardware that never fails but when it comes to the performance hardware solutions (not being able to OC aside), they really are not the best. I agree the hardware runs forever, but I remember having hell with my D865PERLK black board.

Hell I was an Intel reseller at that time & thankfully I knew guys @ intel & mushkin & I had to get specially built ram modules & have one of my intel reps get me a specially built bios to run this thing stable. I only just sold the system this last summer (I remember telling the guy DO NOT CHANGE the bios settings or update the BIOS cause if you do it wont POST).

So yes solid hardware for enterprise solutions & basic "will never die" or a system "for my employee or grandma that will never fail" but for any kind of performance INTEL has missed the boat in recent years (albeit not always missing it - just frequently doing so).
 
virtualleader said:
Frankly you are both right IMO...

Intel makes SOLID hardware that never fails but when it comes to the performance hardware solutions (not being able to OC aside), they really are not the best. I agree the hardware runs forever, but I remember having hell with my D865PERLK black board.

Hell I was an Intel reseller at that time & thankfully I knew guys @ intel & mushkin & I had to get specially built ram modules & have one of my intel reps get me a specially built bios to run this thing stable. I only just sold the system this last summer (I remember telling the guy DO NOT CHANGE the bios settings or update the BIOS cause if you do it wont POST).

So yes solid hardware for enterprise solutions & basic "will never die" or a system "for my employee or grandma that will never fail" but for any kind of performance INTEL has missed the boat in recent years (albeit not always missing it - just frequently doing so).
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Intel is most definitely out of touch with the enthusiast community. This is their problem. They can't seem to grasp what it is an enthusiast wants or needs from a motherboard. Their boards are sometimes capable of a lot, but only with an Extreme Edition CPU. The DX58SO2 is a great example of this. With the multiplier unlocked CPUs like the 990X you can take them pretty far. I hit 4.8GHz or so with our test CPU. Still I found that you couldn't actually do anything but adjust the turbo multiplier. They made an X58 board behave like Sandy Bridge. I had mixed feelings about that. From a BCLK standpoint the thing was only capable of 185MHz or something like that. Most X58 boards can do about 195MHz-220MHz. When I reviewed it Intel couldn't understand what I was complaining about. They really seemed clueless on that.

The fact is that their board was great for 980X and 990X users but anyone who had a Core i7 920, 930, 940, etc. wouldn't have been able to take their overclock as far as they could have on an ASUS board like the Rampage III Formula. Skulltrail is another fine example. That board and platform were almost perfect save for two things. The price, which it was never about selling volume on those so whatever and it was hobbled by FB-DIMMs. Enthusiasts didn't want FB-DIMMs. They went that route because it allowed them to use a server chipset rather than designing something new which would be used in very small amounts due to price. Still it wasn't what enthusiasts really wanted and it offered little to no value over the EVGA 780i SLI / 790i Ultra SLI and QX9770.

A board like the D5400XS would have been very successful in it's own right if it hadn't been hobbled by a pure server chipset and FB-DIMMs. If anything EVGA's SR-2 confirms this theory. While I doubt they've sold in massive numbers, EVGA probably sold more than 10x the amount of SR-2's as Intel sold D5400XS's. For whatever reason Intel just doesn't understand the enthusiast. I'm not sure they ever truly will.
 
Ok, so where is the joke about how when you buy an Intel board it comes with a little head? :p
 
Dan_D said:
Intel is most definitely out of touch with the enthusiast community. This is their problem. They can't seem to grasp what it is an enthusiast wants or needs from a motherboard. Their boards are sometimes capable of a lot, but only with an Extreme Edition CPU. The DX58SO2 is a great example of this. With the multiplier unlocked CPUs like the 990X you can take them pretty far. I hit 4.8GHz or so with our test CPU. Still I found that you couldn't actually do anything but adjust the turbo multiplier. They made an X58 board behave like Sandy Bridge. I had mixed feelings about that. From a BCLK standpoint the thing was only capable of 185MHz or something like that. Most X58 boards can do about 195MHz-220MHz. When I reviewed it Intel couldn't understand what I was complaining about. They really seemed clueless on that.

The fact is that their board was great for 980X and 990X users but anyone who had a Core i7 920, 930, 940, etc. wouldn't have been able to take their overclock as far as they could have on an ASUS board like the Rampage III Formula. Skulltrail is another fine example. That board and platform were almost perfect save for two things. The price, which it was never about selling volume on those so whatever and it was hobbled by FB-DIMMs. Enthusiasts didn't want FB-DIMMs. They went that route because it allowed them to use a server chipset rather than designing something new which would be used in very small amounts due to price. Still it wasn't what enthusiasts really wanted and it offered little to no value over the EVGA 780i SLI / 790i Ultra SLI and QX9770.

A board like the D5400XS would have been very successful in it's own right if it hadn't been hobbled by a pure server chipset and FB-DIMMs. If anything EVGA's SR-2 confirms this theory. While I doubt they've sold in massive numbers, EVGA probably sold more than 10x the amount of SR-2's as Intel sold D5400XS's. For whatever reason Intel just doesn't understand the enthusiast. I'm not sure they ever truly will.
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Yes, Intel is out of touch with enthusiasts. In fact, their enthusiast-class boards continued to use old-style vented capacitors for some time after other brands began using all-solid capacitors on their higher-end boards. Plus, Intel's BIOS is missing a few critical settings that are required to attain a stable overclock that's as high as the competition.
 
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E4g1e said:
Yes, Intel is out of touch with enthusiasts. In fact, their enthusiast-class boards continued to use old-style vented capacitors for some time after other brands began using all-solid capacitors on their higher-end boards. Plus, Intel's BIOS is missing a few critical settings that are required to attain a stable overclock that's as high as the competition.
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Exactly.
 
Okay that and Intel's naming structure absolutely BLOWS! i.e. D865PERLK ?! DX58SO2?! Who comes up with this crap??

(Not that everyone else's isnt God-awful either). At least like the Asus Rampage line is easy.
 
BrainEater said:
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That ain't the rams fault and you know it.....worst northbridge ever....grumble grumble.

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Well I'm just saying that I had trouble with that RAM on those boards. Plenty of RAM worked on them, just not if you populated all four slots and took it higher than DDR2 800MHz speeds despite EPP settings practically doing just that without you telling it too. Piece of shit................
 
Nvidia didn't make a good chipset for the Intel based boards at all. I can't recall the amount of times I had the ship 570 based boards back to Asus for RMA. The memory controller on that thing was plain shit...
 
NVIDIA chipsets ran HOT. I'm much happier with my Intel combo than AMD processor NVIDIA chipset (now that seems weird).

I always build Intel for the office as well. We are a small wealth management firm...I need to know whats in my machines since I play the role of technical support quite often. (of course when I priced out what a dell would cost with similiar specs they went for it...)
 
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