Intel posting false 9900k performance numbers

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  1. psyclist

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    Intel commissioned Principled Technologies to independently bench the 9900k against the 2700k. Benches looked a little fishy, so a few have started looking into it...

    Cherry picking happens everywhere, but blatant misleading benches 11 days before anyone else is allowed to post actual independent verifiable benches. All while pushing that PREORDER NOW! narrative is a dick move...The 9900k is faster for sure, let it stand on it own...Dont mislead your community.

     
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    yeah gamers nexus also put up their video as well.
     
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  3. shaolin95

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    Is a very odd thing to do. Even AMD fanboys I would think know the 9900k is going to be faster so why do such stupid move with horribly biased "test" and not just let the real reviewers handle it. Is there some problem they dont want us to know about before the shipping date? Makes you wonder. I decided NOT to pre-order just in case so with me, it worked the opposite way.
     
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    I do hope more folks watch this and wait for independent tests before buying, because at near double the price, it better have the performance to match.

    I think that was the narrative they were trying to push with these BS performance figures, "See, the 9900k is worth this price!" but I'm guessing we see AMD close that gap quite a bit once independent, objective tests are run.

    As it stands, another dick move on Intel's part. Not sure if it's worse than the misleading 5.0ghz 28 core demo, but probably on par... Is this the new Intel?
     
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    obs [H]ardness Supreme

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    Posting clearly biased number with an embargo from anyone else being able to dispute them with actual numbers of their own while pushing pre-orders. That's some shady shit there. Especially when you likely don't even need to do it in the first place.
     
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    The numbers can be easily enough refuted by anyone who knows how to use google, it's a coffee lake update/refresh just look at benches from the 8700k and add 25% ish for the extra cores for highly threaded workloads, for gaming I doubt there would be much difference to the 8700k.

    At lower resolutions the difference if any is pointless having 300 fps vs 285 is unnoticable unless for e-sporst/pro gamers and at higher res the GPU is the bottleneck anyways.
     
  7. Gamer237

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    Gamers nexus just cleared this up with principles technologies in his latest video.
     
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    Interesting developments, Intel claimed the tests were valid. The desperation is laughable.
     
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  9. eclypse

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    True dat.. highly doubt a gamer will notice the difference over a 8700k. Games wont use the extra cores.
     
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    Uggggg I friggin HATE when companies do this horrifically biased marketing bullshit.

    The 9900k will stand on it's own two feet, no problem. No need to do this. This is one of many reasons why my next gaming rig will have Zen2, and not Intel. (look at my sig before you call me a fanboi).
     
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    Problem for them is pricing, so they have to make it look way better then it really is. Really just seems desperate on their part to try to mislead the public, really seems Intel is in a downward spiral and has no clue how to right itself.
     
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    This is the elephant in the room, just like the 2080 and Nvidia pricing this round.
    Intel got comfy with those expensive CPUs and the bottom line boost, problem is they can't keep doing that now they barely have any lead at all in single thread and are getting ass-raped on server and desktop efficiency. But they want to avoid the share hit, hence this 2000-tier propaganda effort which will backfire just like their water chiller bullshit.
     
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    They should canned whoever their marketing person, pulling stunt like this will normally just piss bunch of people.
     
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    Yeah all they have done is piss off the folks that will be building new systems and recommending hardware to friends and family. I am waiting for Zen2 benches to make a decision as well, the move to 7nm and on the TSMC process should give a good boost to clocks along with the IPC gains...Its gonna close the gap very quickly me thinks.

    I do believe they are in a panic due to the AMD fast resurgence and market-share grab that is occurring, and this is why they are trying to overstate their performance to try and keep those margins fat and try and keep the utter domination narrative rolling.

    But reviewers like GN, AdoredTV and of course the OG cranky ass Kyle. Keeping reviews honest and objective and holding offending companies accountable is key. Keep er up and im glad this has blown up in Intel's face...again, seems they are slow to learn...or just dont care. They have lost a customer here, unless they can change the ways they operate
     
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    it has nothing to do with fanboyism, it is a moral decision. I will not support Intel again until their ethics code or lack thereof changes. AMD's performance is close enough to not be a major offset and there is atleast a respect of business ethics.
     
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    Steve put it best... Why, Intel, why?!?

    Adding to that, why does Intel go out of its way to make it hard to like the company behind otherwise great products?
     
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    Businesses have no morals so trying to say you are being moral by supporting one over the other is funny as hell. Buy the best product and move on. AMD has a respect of business ethics.....LOL. No more than any other company out there. Fanboyism indeed.
     
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    Hey politics have been getting away with it so looks like businesses are following suite. Truthfulness dont pay the bills!
     
  19. Master_shake_

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    jesus christ that fucking ASUS motherboard.

    2 24 pins 4 8 pins and 2 6 pins!?

    so they aren't going for efficiency i see.
     
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  20. OrangeKhrush

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    business has morals, As an Attorney there are certain ethical and moral codes to comply with, sure Attorneys do break this for touting purposes but they get caught out and disbarred from ever practicing as a legal practitioner. In consumer space if there was no ethics then why would we have competition laws in every jurisdiction around the world? The reality is that Intel don't actually mind contravening them because the sanctions haven't been good enough. Impose extreme sanctions and they will change their tone very fast.

    A easy example of harsh sanctions, in 2015 FC Barcelona signed a near 16 year old in violation of laws permitted to signing minors to work, the World Court declared this a violation of international law and banned FC Barcelona from buying players for 2 years. VW group not only received civil sanctions but were also removed from many racing codes globally including World Endurance Car for violation of anti trust laws and non disclosures.

    So in reality ethics does exist in business, just that Intel don't give a crap.
     
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    Why do you people always have to call others fan boys? A fan boy is like 1 in 1000. There are AMD owners and yes as AMD owners we are well aware the 9900k is faster than the 2700x.

    You folks just love causing division at every turn dont you
     
  24. shaolin95

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    Did I call you a fanboy???? I said even AMD Fanboys specifically referring to that kind of people which blindly follow one brand and defend it like its a family member. Just like there are Intel fanboys, Canon Fanboys, Sony, Nikon etc... Not sure why you took it so personal...maybe ask yourself that since nobody else took it that way. ;)
    No company gives me free gear so I buy whatever fits my needs, dont care who makes it.
     
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    you seem to follow one brand?
     
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    Naw brah,... This is brute force bust em in the mouth shit
     
  27. shaolin95

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    Sorry to burst your bubble but you are wrong. In fact, my first plan to upgrade to was the 2950x but then I figured that 8 cores were better for my needs so the 2700x and even the 6 core 8700k came into consideration. In the end I decided to go with the 2700x but right before I went for it, the 9900k news came up so I waited for the presentation and it really seemed like the perfect merger of the 2700x and 8700k I was hoping for. But then the "review" fiasco happened so I decided to just wait until real reviewers post their tests before making a final decision.

    Perhaps you missed this part of my message "No company gives me free gear so I buy whatever fits my needs, dont care who makes it." I owe no company any loyalty, that is silly imo
     
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    Can we commission Principled Technologies to test the $265 price point? Ryzen 2700 (8c/16t) vs the 9600k (6c/6t)?
     
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    Honestly because of the incompetence I would not pay them for anything. We shall soon see the performance per doll hair comparos and price points and that is where Intel will have trouble. Even though its ridiculously priced, the competition has forced Intel to cease reserving higher core counts for HEDT which is a major boon for options in the consumer space. Its all very interesting as we havent seen this action in around a decade.
     
  30. Hagrid

    Hagrid Kyle's Boo

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    Yeah, the pricing is key since the Intel cpu is not far from the AMD part in terms of speed. Certainly not couple hundred bucks faster. Not sure on the pricing.
     
  31. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    Don't worry, we will have real numbers for you this week.
     
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    Cant wait to get those real numbers so I can finally decide between the 9900k and the 2700x. I mean expect the 9900k the perfect combination of 8700k speeds with 2700x cores but we shall see. I wanted it for my Bday but that is not going to happen thanks to Intel forcing reviewers to wait until release date to post the reviews :/
     
  33. Kyle_Bennett

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    Sadly, I burned up my 8700K and will be using an 8600K in the review, but we will have the direct 2700X comparison for sure.
     
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    Oh no problem. The 8700k was out of the race. I was ready to buy the 2700x but then saw the news about the 9900k and decided to wait until I can see some real world tests specially some photoshop and premiere stuff since at least from the 8700k I have seen, the IGPU combined with the video card CUDA makes a BIG difference in rendering speeds.
    But depends on how much better the 9900k and availability I will make my decision. The eagerness to upgrade already before my upgrade makes me think "just get the 2700x" now but the possibilities of a 5Ghz 8core that will last me VERY long, makes me want to wait. Bad timing I guess :D
     
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    Well, I will say this. You're not going to ever see AMD at the top of any gaming world record lol ... that's for sure.
     
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  36. Kyle_Bennett

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    And you think this why? Because it never has been since Ryzen's introduction?

    In all seriousness, I would suggest this is still a very good read still today.

    The Definitive AMD Ryzen 7 Real-World Gaming Guide

    With our AMD Ryzen 7 overclocked to 4GHz we find out if this is a competitive real-world gaming CPU or not. We compare it with two overclocked Intel 7700K and 2600K systems across six different video card configurations at 4K, 1440p, and 1080p to find out which CPU provides the best gameplay experience using playable game settings.
     
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    Oh I expect the 9900k to be better for gaming but at 4k (and VR probably) with the right memory and timings I think the differences are not really relevant as I dont need 120fps or something like that. But I also saw the 8700k actually doing Photoshop processes faster besides the Premier rendering (which of course means Photoshop is lagging with multicore thing but it is what it is). So that is why the 9900k got me interested. If only freaking Intel allowed people to post the reviews I would know by now if its the right choice for me or not instead of having to wait :/
     
  38. Hakaba

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    Intel was not always at the top but I might be remembering the past wrong...
     
  39. shaolin95

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    Well let's say it has been a very LONG time since they were not at the top. I was on amd during those days
     
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    We shall see what Zen 2 brings with the move to TSMC from GF, I kinda feel like they have been unshackled and upgraded to a superior process and smaller node. If the gap between the 9900k and the 2700X is in the 15-20% range. I feel like Zen 2 will be at parity or faster, might be a pipe dream, we shall see! I love the competition in this segment again after so many years of stagnation though, and its shows no signs of slowing for the next little while with PCIe 4.0/5.0 and DDR5 on the horizon!

    Looking forward to the real 9900k review here, I do hope the tech community remembers this as we move forward. I didnt realize Sysmark and webXPRT were intel benches before this little shit show occurred. Glad to have picked that tidbit up. Live and Learn!
     
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