Intel Mini-ITX LGA1156

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  1. pureaxis

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    Oh no!
    Not support my GeminII!
     
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    My prayers have been answered!
     
  4. Phil_Mc_cracken

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    Core i5 + 5850 in a sg05 :)
    Might need a bigger psu tho :(
     
  5. Synomenon

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    Cool. Looks like there's a MiniPCIe slot on it too b/w the chipset heatsink and the ethernet / DVI / HDMI ports.
     
  6. NichoTL

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    By the looks of it, this will probably be for CPUs with on-die GMA: it has a DVI and a HDMI.
     
  7. Liquid Cool

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    pureaxis...

    Appreciate you posting this link, looks like I'll be planning out the new rig sooner than I thought. I'm going to couple this mobo with the new Originae M10 case coming out.

    Again, thanks...

    Liquid Cool
     
  8. seanclayton

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    I hope they have little bit of overclocking option.

    According to the "Google Translation", this is by MSI?
     
  9. Anonymo

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    Is 150W enough for the setup?
     
  10. tvih

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    Sooner than widely expected I guess. Must.. prevent... lusting... aaagh.
     
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    kinda weird to see the SB on top of the CPU socket. never seen that before, so it looks kinda awkward.
     
  13. keenan

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    The board silkscreen clearly says 'Intel Desktop Board' and has an Intel logo, so while MSI may be planning something similar, this particular product is almost certainly an Intel branded part.

    And a farking cool one. Someone on the software side needs to come up with something to actually utilize all the performance we keep cramming into smaller and smaller boxes...
     
  14. Liquid Cool

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    Anonymo,

    I believe it would be more than enough...although one caveat. Video card selection would be limited. I'll be firing one 24" Samsung in mostly 2D apps...don't think I'll have a problem.

    Definitely an Intel piece, reminds me of the Fly Creek - on steroids.

    Is that a slot for Intel Turbo Memory?

    <Click Here>

    Best,

    Liquid Cool

    Couldn't agree more...
     
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  15. Zachstar

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    One thing is for sure. Intially this will be quite expensive. Even with Intels pricy CPUs the mobo makers really jack up the price on these things.
     
  16. NichoTL

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    But this will be dual-core only, although with HT. And the current i5/i7 won't work with it.
     
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    Good info on that article. Damn. A Clarkdale mini-ITX like that certainly seems... appealing, just like I thought it would. Bloody hell, why do I have to be such a nerd :D Undervolting that system to the max would certainly give a nice and low power consumption while still blowing any Atom + Ion combo completely out of the water. Too bad I STILL can't justify having two systems in the long term (in addition to a laptop)... ;)
     
  19. timme

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    Awesome. I see a bright future for ITX :D
     
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    The cpu socket placement seems awkard could complicate getting a gpu in the PCI-e slot.

    Will it work with lynnfield CPUs?
     
  21. __Miguel_

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    I think there is only one version of the LGA1156 socket, which serves both the P55 and H57 PCHs (pretty new name for a Southbridge, huh? And a great way to kick its prices up, too...).

    In short, that means you can probably fit ANY socket LGA1156 Core i3, i5 or i7 CPU in any motherboard with any of those two PCHs, provided the BIOS has code to recognize them. I also believe that's the main reason why there's a PCIe 16x slot on that motherboard (since, well, GPUs on shorter slots are REALLY difficult to come by).

    The slightly longer answer adds the following information (based on educated guesses, of course): since Lynnfield CPUs lack IGP, putting one on an H57-based motherboard will render the video outputs useless; conversely, putting a Clarkdale CPU on a P55 motherboard will most likely shut down the IGP, except for the PCIe controller part. Which might prove to be great for OC: since the integrated PCIe controller on the Lynnfield parts seems to somewhat limit OC capabilities, you might just loose that handicap with Clarkdale+P55. Though you'll loose half the processing cores, of course...

    I can't wait to see mini-ITX H57 boards out, and like sub-€100 Clarkdale CPUs. Can you say über-cheap, über-small HTPC? And with ridiculously low power requirements... Right now, the least power-hungry Intel chips seem to be the 3000 series Cellys (sub-30W at all times for the whole CPU power circuitry), but these guys go sub-30W for the whole system...:eek: Damn!

    I'll keep an eye on this thread.

    Cheers.

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    Of course the CPU pin-outs are the same, but I'm not so sure that H57 + Lynnfield i5/7 will work or conversely P55 + Clarkdale...
     
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    By then there would probably be better CPU offering (32nm?) and alternate highend coolers to h50. Can't wait!
     
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    Hard to say about the CPUs. But I sort of agree with the socket, quite limiting regarding what kind of a heat sink you can put there. For me, given I now have the SG03 system, it'd be fine with just the IGP. Price and such will determine if I'll get one eventually.
     
  25. __Miguel_

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    Unless Intel wants to shoot itself in both feet, they'll keep one socket with interdependent use of P55/H57 for Clarkdale and Lynnfield. Too much market and SKU fragmentation, even for Intel standards.

    If you look at both PCHs, they're very similar. The only difference is the extra traces between the socket area and the PCH for the H57. That's the FDI interface, and its absence on a CPU will render the video output ports useless. The biggest (and single?) difference between the P55 and H57 PCHs is the FDI interface, really. Since everything else was crammed up on the CPU, the PCH now serves as an IO controller, and nothing more. The H57 only has an extra option, video output.

    Conversely, a motherboard lacking an FDI interface will shut down the IGP on the CPU, except for the PCIe controller. Clarkdale and Lynnfield are not that different, really. The biggest difference on the CPU side (apart from the obvious core count differences) is the location of the PCIe controller, and that, for me, doesn't seem that big of a difference that would prevent a Clarkdale CPU from being used on a P55 motherboard, since they both share the (hideously ancient) DMI interface to the PCH.

    But I can be wrong, of course. Let's wait for reports on this. Though I have to say, I'd be SERIOUSLY disappointed with Intel if P55 and H57 require different CPUs...

    Hmm, Clarkdale IS 32nm, AFAIK. Except for the IGP core, which is 45nm.

    As for 32nm CPU offerings, there will be three different options: mobile 2-core/4-thread (this is probably what my next laptop will use), desktop 2-core/4-thread (Clarkdale, socket 1156), and desktop 6-core/12-thread (Gulftown, socket 1366). At least for now, it doesn't seem there will be 32nm versions of 4-core parts, which doesn't cease to amase me...

    The only explanation I can find is Intel either wanting to keep a low profile for now. Since 32nm is expected this year, and the 45nm Lynnfield parts have just arrived to the market, telling potential buyers "hey, if you like Lynnfield power and performance, just you wait and see what the 32nm shrink will be able to do in 6 months" will KILL Lynnfield sales. Not a very smart marketing move, right?

    Well, either that or Intel is actually focusing all its energy in Sandy Bridge, which will bring a new architecture and 32nm IGP embedded on the main CPU die (not only the PCB, as with Clarkdale) sometime late next year, and there are plans to move the whole LGA1156 and LGA1336 lines to Sandy Bridge keeping the same socket. In that case, Sandy Bridge would be the "refresh" of 5 different model lines at the same time (Core i3 through Core i10, and of course the Xeon counterparts). Early Nehalem buyers will have a sour taste in their mouths if that's the case, though (unless there will be mid-level i10 parts)...

    Yes, that socket seems to have been placed by a Feng shui adept.

    Only reasons I can see for that are: 1) easier trace routing with the socket on that place, which could mean less PCB layers and a cheaper board (yay!); or 2) Intel is only thinking its stock coolers are good enough to keep the CPU cool. Which might be the case, really... If I remember correcly, an E2xxx series CPU was able to be run fanless a couple of years ago (Tom's Hardware review, I think) using the stock cooler and at full load. This one is able to slash the E2xxx power draw in half on most occasions, and much more while idling. That plus the fact Intel coolers are not the whiners they were back in the day, my guess is you probably won't REALLY need a big cooler for Clarkdale.

    Cheers.

    Miguel
     
  26. tvih

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    Well that depends, if you mean the stock ones, the LGA1156 stock cooler is nothing short of a jet engine at least :p Much worse than the Q6600 stock cooler. One of the biggest challenges of tiny socketed mini-ITX systems is indeed silent cooling though.
     
  27. Yoy0YO

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    What is that slot thing just between the heatsink and the DVI port? Is it a RAM slot? or a PCI x4 slot? I'm confused.
     
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  28. Synomenon

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    Looks like a mini PCIe slot.
     
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    Hope Asus realizes that there IS a market for Mini ITX mobos and comes out with one too.
     
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    I emailed them about it, they said they have a board(s) that are not listed on the webpage. They wanted to know how many I am interested in before they give me any details. Feel free to email them until they release something.
     
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    Well, actually my Celeron E1200 stock cooler is a mess (3-pin design, so constant full speed while the board is on...). But I have a couple of them (E4300, original E6300) that are actually well behaved.

    Maybe I'm just lucky?

    It seems either a Mini-PCIe slot, as someone else already said, or that weird Turbo Memory Gen2 slot Intel had been talking about for so long. Though I thought that was discontinued...

    Anyway, it seems odd for a Mini-PCI/Mini-PCIe slot, since it's not parallel to the PCB (MAJOR design flaw), AND the mini-PCIe PCB images I've seen so far lack dents for retention mechanisms...

    @Anonymo: Asus already makes mini-ITX motherboards, albeit it's only for the Atom series...

    However, it's interesting to know they have one more trick up their sleeve, provided the price is right.

    Cheers.

    Miguel
     
  32. TheBlueChanell

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    Awesome news. I really would like to build a nice watercooled SG05 for use as a LAN box/secondary pc.

    All I'm waiting on is either a good board for inte/amd and the HD5770 :D
     
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    I'm thinking they will. Probably working on one right now. ASUS doesnt like to be left out of a certain market if there is money to be made and ITX will grow in popularity I'm thinking. :)
     
  34. scope4live

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    Intel has let their Tier 1 partners release motherboards w/o Intel releasing similar boards for a while now. Recent example was their X58. It has Dual Channel RAM only while everyone else had Triple Channel boards and made some nice coin with 2-300 boards.
    I am sure they will be slow to release a Mini-ITX before their partners.
    I was going to build a 1U dual Mini-ITX using the JW 785G's. Their Sideport RAM allows to not be straddled with a Video card.
    I use computers as Digital Audio Workstations for live performance. My 1U DSP rack is basically all the power and number crunching, and the Mini-ITX's would use maximum RAM with a 64bit O.S. and stream sampled content from the HDD's. Large amounts of RAM are needed to store the buffers for the audio. I am hoping that the H57 ITX's could handle 4GB sticks, and so far no mention of the RAM capacity.
    I am glad I held off to see the new products.
    The AMD's are awful hot to be in a 1U. 140watts......:eek:
     
  35. __Miguel_

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    Hmm, while it's true Intel has let other manufacturers release motherboards before something Intel-built is on the market, I don't get where you came up with the "dual channel only X58". AFAIK, the Intel X58 board has 4 RAM slots but triple channel all the same... Three slots make triple channel available, and the fourth one just piggybacks on the first slot (thanks to the Flex Memory technology, you can still have Dual/Triple Channel with one channel having more memory than the other).

    Well, if G45 and Atom are any indications, then you might be (hopefully) wrong :p AFAIK, Asus and Gigabyte took a couple of months after the D945GCLF was available to get their Atom boards on the market. And the Intel G45 mini-ITX board is still the only one available...

    However, they sometimes take a while to release some very interesting things on the motherboard arena. X38/X48 was the last big "wait just a little bit longer, please" moment, and even P45 wasn't really that on time...

    Cheers.

    Miguel
     
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    Most links I've run across discussing this board claim it will indeed support Lynnfield.
    http://www.diginewsdigest.com/en/in...mobo-for-lynnfield-cpus&catid=8:news&Itemid=3
    http://overclock3d.net/news.php?/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_h57_mini-itx_motherboard/1
    http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/wi...ITX-H57-Based-Motherboard-Review-122608.shtml

    Of course, I'm still kind of worried they all may be wrong, but Intel would look foolish by doubly fragmenting their market.
     
  37. __Miguel_

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    That's my fear exactly.

    First it was the devious Skulltrail division, using dual Xeon CPUs on a desktop platform.

    Now there are no less than three different desktop sockets available (low/mid-end 775, mainstream 1156 and high-end 1136), and while 775 will eventually die, it's still a long way out, and leaves everyone not knowing what to do when upgrading (775 still has a couple of good parts, I'm actually considering a &#8364;200 Q9550).

    775 was a great socket. It was. Some motherboards (most notable, P965-based) can even handle EVERY SINGLE socket 775 CPU ever made (except maybe the QX9770), which is great. That's how it should be, Intel should look at AMD for this... I mean, they can actually change sockets and still have newer CPUs fit older boards (provided the BIOS lets them, of course)...

    Hopefully some day this "hey, here's a new CPU, take it, then change the motherboard and RAM, too" nonsense will only happen every 6 or so years...

    /RANT

    Cheers.

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    any news on that?
     
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    January I think it is the release, no?
     
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    Does anyone know if another mobo-manufacturer besides intel has announced a mini-itx board for LGA1156? I'd like to have some settings for OC or undervolting available...