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Intel 510 250 gig Performance...

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cschlik

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This past weekend I did a fresh install of Win 7 with a new Sabertooth x58 motherboard and a Intel 510 250 gig SSD. Previously I had an Asus P7 with two intel g1's in RAID 0. The motherboard died a slow death and kept reporting errors on drive 1 of the array, spontaneously rebooted and would occasionaly not POST...

The new setup seems snappy enough. I have the 510 hooked to the SATA 3 marvell connector onboard with ACHI enabled. One thing I noticed is that the marvell controller is on the PCI bus and it shows that it is only running at 5Gbps, any way to boost this to the full 6Gbps as it seems that the 510 will make use of the throughput (asked in motherboard forum with no response). If not, any suggestions on an addon SATA 3 card that does not break the bank.

I installed the Intel SSD toolbox and it states that I can not run the SSD opttimizer as it only works on the 34nm SSD's... I had thought that the 510 was 34nm. Is there some registry settings I can look at? Of note, I did the install in IDE mode, as I forgot to change the Marvell to ACHI... I did however, change to ACHI, installed the latest drivers and the registry shows that it is enabled.

I just want to get the best performance out of this SSD and any suggestions would be appreciated.

Chris
 
You need to call Intel. I was able to run the optimizer on my 320 series SSD, which is 25nm, so you should not being getting this error certainly.
 
Hey Chris

I actually just finished reading ALOT into this the last few weeks. I last week picked up the Intel 510 120GB for my Rampage 3 Gene. It has the same Marvel 9128 Sata 3 controller. The controller is a 6GB controller is limited to 1 single PCI-E lane resulting in 5GB/s theoretical max. Realistically you will get at best 400MB/s transfers seq. read/write depending on the drive. I accepted this and did not look into a alternative sata 3 add in card.

As for the Intel toolbox make sure you have the newest one installed. It does work as I have used it in my setup in my sig. Hope this clears some info for you.

Gio
 
I have the 510 hooked to the SATA 3 marvell connector onboard with ACHI enabled.
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Put the SSD on the Intel ports and live happily ever after.

A little research will show that the Marvell SATA ports are horrible.

Seriously, do some of you guys do any research other than color on the MBs you're buying? :confused:
 
Color... Ha Ha... I could care less.... No window on my case :)

Actually, somone around here recommended the Sabertooth....

So... Any suggestions on a 3rd party controller so I could disable the marvell?
 
If anyone is interested....

As suggested, I put the SSD on the intel port and it is actually faster (as ssd) and now trim works along with the SSD toolbox.

Seems like a good excuse to make the jump to Sandy Bridge and a motherboard with good 6Gbps support.
 
Gio said:
. The controller is a 6GB controller is limited to 1 single PCI-E lane resulting in 5GB/s theoretical max.
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why? You paid for a 6 GB/s controller. If you only get 5Gb/s, I can't see how that they advertise it's a 6Gb/s controller. What's the reason for the 1Gb/s loss?
 
Happy Hopping said:
why? You paid for a 6 GB/s controller. If you only get 5Gb/s, I can't see how that they advertise it's a 6Gb/s controller. What's the reason for the 1Gb/s loss?
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The interface between the drive and the controller is 6gbit. No false advertising. PCIe 2.0 x1 nets you 500mb/s (full duplex however). Pretty simple...
 
Blue Fox said:
The interface between the drive and the controller is 6gbit. No false advertising. PCIe 2.0 x1 nets you 500mb/s (full duplex however). Pretty simple...
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pretty simple and pretty dishonest

of course almost ALL advertising is deliberately misleading if not downright dushonest
 
Funny thing is, I decided to put second machine together with a sandy bridge setup. The 2 marvell SATA 3 ports on the new board are also limited to 5gbps. At least the intel SATA3 ports run at full speed. Picked up almost 40 points on AS SSD benchmark after the sandy brige upgrade.

My son is now happy as he is getting the old i7 board to replace a tired Core 2 Duo setup...
 
billt said:
pretty simple and pretty dishonest

of course almost ALL advertising is deliberately misleading if not downright dushonest
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Not really. It's a chipset limitation. If you want to nitpick, few motherboards support running all their PCIe slots with all the lanes being used simultaneously. The chipset doesn't have enough PCIe lanes to go around to other devices.
 
Thanks for clearing up that issue. I just got the 510 series 120GB drive for my new system. I was wondering which port would be better. I think I read somewhere that intel was using Marvell architecture or components in the drive controller. I thought that might make the Marvell port a good choice. Apparently that's not the case.
 
Old Hippie said:
Put the SSD on the Intel ports and live happily ever after.

A little research will show that the Marvell SATA ports are horrible.

Seriously, do some of you guys do any research other than color on the MBs you're buying? :confused:
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But that means hooking the SATA 6Gb/s capable SSD to a SATA 3Gb/s connector...is that really a good solution? Hooking to the Marvell connector and accepting the 5Gb/s should be better, shouldn't it?
 
I think old hippie was thinking you were using a P67 board, which you are not. You don't have native Intel 6 Gbps ports on your current board, as it is an x58 chipset board.
 
But that means hooking the SATA 6Gb/s capable SSD to a SATA 3Gb/s connector...is that really a good solution?
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Exactly.

I have never seen a 3rd party onboard SATA6Gb/s controller that's better than the Intel ICH10 SATA2 (3Gb/s) ports.

Although these 3rd party Marvell/JMicron controllers open the door for SATA6Mb/s operation they dramatically lower the 4K and 4K-64thrd speeds that mean alot for fast operations.

Unless you're willing to spend 150.00+ there's no SATA6Gb/s expansion cards that will do better than the Intel 6Gb/s ports or the Intel ICH10 SATA2 (3Gb/s) ports.

This is a well known fact and would be obvious if you had done a little research on this board or the internet. ;)
 
Unless you're willing to spend 150.00+ there's no SATA6Gb/s expansion cards that will do better than the Intel 6Gb/s ports or the Intel ICH10 SATA2 (3Gb/s) ports.
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Which cards would these be?
I don't plan on more than 4 drives, and no elaborate raid setup.
I just want to FULLY utilize my SSD drives.

I`m interested for the same reason... only plan to run a few more SSD but want full performance :)
 
Which cards would these be?
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I have an LSI 9240-4i that did a great job on a single drive but doesn't seem to like RAID.

LSI does make cards that are just HBAs (9211-4i) that should work in JBOD mode for more than one drive.

I'm by no means an expert on anything but have had a crappy Asus U3S6 6Gb/s card and know that's not what ya want.

There's other card manfgs and many models but my only experience has been with LSI....and I don't even understand everything going on there either! LOL!

I will say this, unless you have a need and pocket full of money for this stuff you'll be better off buying/waiting for an Intel 6Gb/s chipset.
 
cschlik said:
If anyone is interested....

As suggested, I put the SSD on the intel port and it is actually faster (as ssd) and now trim works along with the SSD toolbox.

Seems like a good excuse to make the jump to Sandy Bridge and a motherboard with good 6Gbps support.
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If you where using the marvel driver that will more than likely prevent you from using trim, the best way around this is un-installing the vendor driver and letting windows install the microsoft driver.

When I went through this i lost about 10% performance with the MS driver but was able to restore the trim functionality.
 
Old Hippie said:
I have an LSI 9240-4i that did a great job on a single drive but doesn't seem to like RAID.

LSI does make cards that are just HBAs (9211-4i) that should work in JBOD mode for more than one drive.

I'm by no means an expert on anything but have had a crappy Asus U3S6 6Gb/s card and know that's not what ya want.

There's other card manfgs and many models but my only experience has been with LSI....and I don't even understand everything going on there either! LOL!

I will say this, unless you have a need and pocket full of money for this stuff you'll be better off buying/waiting for an Intel 6Gb/s chipset.
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I guess I should get a card that's good at raid then, so when I upgrade in the future and it's onboard the pcie card is useful for something :)
 
Just finished the week-long comedy of errors that was me trying to install 2 510 drives on the 9128. Ended up where I had to switch out the sata 3 cables for old sata cables and move the OS drive to the intel chipset before it would work. IDE mode/AHCI mode, OS on one drive vs the other, none of it made a difference. What made it especially zesty was the complete lack of consistency; sometimes it'd blue screen 30 minutes in, sometimes 5 hrs in as I was loading the last of the software.

Might just be my bad luck, but the hard drive and controller definitely didn't want to play nice.
 
will i notice improvement over 1gb cache to 4gb on the controller too?

(I`ll eventually have a couple RAID arrays and SSD in there. For my file server.) I only want to drop this much once on a card :D:D
 
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