Increasing AGP Bus Speed?

jamesrb

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I know the default is 66mhz, but does increasing it cause any change in performance? Or is it hazardous?

It is an older system with a ti4200 in question. I am just trying to squeeze out any extra performance I can get.
 
There might be a tiny small unoticable increase in performance, but depending on the motherboard, you will end up running your PCI bus higher, which can cause problems with Hard Disk controllers and you will end up with disk errors.
 
its using nforce3 250, which should have a PCI lockif memory serves me right
 
Yep, you will be ok in that respect, but overclocking the AGP bus is pretty much useless.
 
overclocking the agp bus by about 4MHz is enough to cause the videocard to have problems (windows crash due to video driver).

that's my experience anyway.

one would always want to lock the agp clock down, but even this is not possible (not precise enough) on motherboards with lock enabled.

i don't think many motherboards are physically capable of actually locking the agp/pci clock, since it is run off the same clock ic that the fsb uses. probably just uses some software trick which is inaccurate (4MHz agp increase with 32MHz fsb increase on my p4p800 which is already not stable enough to run games). if the agp was properly locked down, i could oc the cpu more.

if anyone knows the reason for the 'agp lock fallacy' i'd like to hear about it.
 
In fact, some have found better performance running at 50MHz :eek: I've heard overclocking the AGP bus can cause higher GPU temps, but I have not measured. The highest my 9700 will go before problems arise is about 74-76MHz. I have observed that my GPU clock can be limited if the AGP bus is overclocked that high so higher temps would make sense, at least in this case.
 
hfc said:
overclocking the agp bus by about 4MHz is enough to cause the videocard to have problems (windows crash due to video driver).

that's my experience anyway.

one would always want to lock the agp clock down, but even this is not possible (not precise enough) on motherboards with lock enabled.

i don't think many motherboards are physically capable of actually locking the agp/pci clock, since it is run off the same clock ic that the fsb uses. probably just uses some software trick which is inaccurate (4MHz agp increase with 32MHz fsb increase on my p4p800 which is already not stable enough to run games). if the agp was properly locked down, i could oc the cpu more.

if anyone knows the reason for the 'agp lock fallacy' i'd like to hear about it.

That's not true. The NV chipsets have generated the AGP/PCI bus clocks separate of the FSB clock generator since NF2. However, the AGP and PCI bus clocks are generated from the same source, so while it is possible to up the FSB and not affect the AGP/PCI bus clocks, raising the AGP bus clock will take the PCI bus along with it.
 
Un4given said:
That's not true. The NV chipsets have generated the AGP/PCI bus clocks separate of the FSB clock generator since NF2. However, the AGP and PCI bus clocks are generated from the same source, so while it is possible to up the FSB and not affect the AGP/PCI bus clocks, raising the AGP bus clock will take the PCI bus along with it.

Thats what I thought was the case, that AGP and PCI are together, but seperate from the FSB.

With the NF2, that was a BIG feature to have, to be able to crank up the FSB, but not to overclock the AGP. I thought it was a feature that was supposed to be on the NF1 boards also, but I may be wrong.
 
Met-AL said:
Thats what I thought was the case, that AGP and PCI are together, but seperate from the FSB.

With the NF2, that was a BIG feature to have, to be able to crank up the FSB, but not to overclock the AGP. I thought it was a feature that was supposed to be on the NF1 boards also, but I may be wrong.

I don't really know anything about the NF1 series boards. Quite honestly, VIA still had the better chipset at that point.
 
Un4given said:
That's not true. The NV chipsets have generated the AGP/PCI bus clocks separate of the FSB clock generator since NF2. However, the AGP and PCI bus clocks are generated from the same source, so while it is possible to up the FSB and not affect the AGP/PCI bus clocks, raising the AGP bus clock will take the PCI bus along with it.


oh, ok, i thought there had to be a proper hardware implementation. i'm pretty sure my P4P800 (i865) doesn't have a separate generator though which sucks.
 
hfc said:
oh, ok, i thought there had to be a proper hardware implementation. i'm pretty sure my P4P800 (i865) doesn't have a separate generator though which sucks.

I've not used an Intel CPU since my P3, so I'm not that up to date on the offerings of the Intel chipsets. I do know that VIA tried to get such a FSB lock to work in one of their early Athlon chipsets and it didn't work right, but NV's has worked properly since the NF2. However, you are correct in that the mobo maker must properly implement that feature for it to work as well.

In fact, my model of MSI board was one that was known to have an issue with the lock unless you changed the AGP bus from 66MHz to 67MHz. They fixed this in a later BIOS release, but it's not a fool proof technology if not implemented properly.
 
Un4given said:
I don't really know anything about the NF1 series boards. Quite honestly, VIA still had the better chipset at that point.

Yep, at the NF1 timeframe, I was still very happy with my IWILL KT133a board.
 
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