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Spot on. I would never use a third party msdn key and try to sell it as a retail copy installed in a pre-built computer, or anything that needs to be legitimate. You'd have to be insane to try to do so.May want to look at the legality of getting things off grey-markets and the like. Not only to cover your butt but also, as a customer, if you sold me a computer and a month later Windows decides to batch-pull a bunch of grey market keys and suddenly my system was in-active, it wouldn't be cool
I think you may have misunderstood the question. He wasn't asking about a business startup portfolio review, he was asking about Windows license key pricing dealsjardows hit it on the head. You want to resell computers, questions is why?
What kind of support will you provide?
What will your hours be?
What is your standard warranty period and will you provide a working replacement part while the person waits for a new one?
Will you only cover hardware or the base OS install?
This is why people go OEM, next day or 1-2 day support on anything.
I tried my hand at it and was nothing but a pita to sell. Everyone wanted to buy at such a low ball price. Half of just the value of the components normally. I even started the price way high to counter the low ballers.There are no cheap options I would trust to sell to a stranger. Using sub $20 licenses for friends and family computers is an idea but... one might give the end user an option "I can get a license from a shady acquaintance who is probably a Russian mobster for 1/5th cost, if you like."
I would echo the sentiment that selling prebuilt computers for profit is tough. I've probably sold 30-40 custom computers as sideline over the last two decades and the profit isn't there to support the problem builds, in my experience.
I take one step further and not let people know I know how to work on computers. You be their on call IT guy for everyone's garbage decade old dell.And whatever you do, never EVER sell a computer to a family member or a friend. Unlimited lifetime warranty is always included in those cases and even if they drop a can of coke on the running computer, it's your fault it breaks. Don't do it.
I recently switched careers from IT to a different (and blue collar) field due to burn-out. I made the mistake of listing my IT background on the resume (for that "oooh, IT, he must have brains" stereotype bias), and I've already been asked to do shit like fix printers, if I know how to work on their tax software, asking me security questions about their website, various ToS for their software questions, backups, what's wrong with his smartphone etc, all on the same low $15/hourly pay (blue collar job and was in line with my new degree so as a first job in the profession was fair pay).I tried my hand at it and was nothing but a pita to sell. Everyone wanted to buy at such a low ball price. Half of just the value of the components normally. I even started the price way high to counter the low ballers.
I take one step further and not let people know I know how to work on computers. You be their on call IT guy for everyone's garbage decade old dell.
Someone else said Windows 10 doesn't require activation, and they are correct. In fact, the only thing disabled in a non activated Windows install is "personalization." There is a water mark on the bottom right hand side, but you can get rid of that with a registry addition.Where do I buy windows 10 pro for cheap if I want to build computers to resell?
thanks.
^^ that is the typical rule. ive broken it once with a close friend and her parents. she is a PITA, they are awesome and always over pay me, including food, drinks, coffee....And whatever you do, never EVER sell a computer to a family member or a friend. Unlimited lifetime warranty is always included in those cases and even if they drop a can of coke on the running computer, it's your fault it breaks. Don't do it.
I got so tired to getting called every other week to fix some malware or other problem that I migrated my parents and in-laws to linux. Now I do a maintenance once a year and call it a day.you dont. you either buy retailer for them and charge for it or get setup with a distributer to legally buy oem licenses and parts.
^^ that is the typical rule. ive broken it once with a close friend and her parents. she is a PITA, they are awesome and always over pay me, including food, drinks, coffee....
Win 10 does not require activation to function or install. Some features are blocked is all.. Just have customers provide their own key or charge the retail price of Win 10 and buy a key from MS. A key can be added or changed basically at any time
I feel like a doctor at family parties having people pull me aside to diagnose their hemorroids.I tried my hand at it and was nothing but a pita to sell. Everyone wanted to buy at such a low ball price. Half of just the value of the components normally. I even started the price way high to counter the low ballers.
I take one step further and not let people know I know how to work on computers. You be their on call IT guy for everyone's garbage decade old dell.
I hate that shit. They think you know everything right off the top of your head. It's like asking a guitar player, "So, how do you play the guitar. Hurry, I gotta eat dinner."I feel like a doctor at family parties having people pull me aside to diagnose their hemorroids.
It honestly with anything that is profession. The worst are if a family member you never talk too come too to fix so and so problem when they found out you are Computer/HVAC/Mechanic/Plumber what ever and want free work out of you. I don't even want to do shit for my immediate family anymore. Over the summer I was helping my brother move. His wife when and brought drinks for her and him and didn't get me anything. She told me to get a drink out of the tap. Family is so ungrateful for your help. It is like something that is to be expected. The biggest mistake I ever made was a friend asked me to build him a computer and I ended up financing him the computer. Of course after a few months he stopped paying me and we never spoke again.I hate that shit. They think you know everything right off the top of your head. It's like asking a guitar player, "So, how do you play the guitar. Hurry, I gotta eat dinner."
I once did a really nice website for my brother and his friend's fishing business. Here is how the conversations went:
Dude, can't you just put that her and update that for us today. You don't do anything except sit there anyway.
Me: There's quite a bit more to setting up a php module through WordPress in order to integrate your stand alone board with Facebook posts.
Oh I know man. We're just kidding. We don't need it until tomorrow.
[Fast forward 3 years later, and I've had it with both of them always running me down about how I don;t "do anything" becasue I chose to work with computers instead of banging nails or other labor type work]
Me: He guys, so I've decided I'm not doing websites anymore. I'm moving my personal site to another server. You'll need to make arrangements to have your site updated.
Dude, how hard can it be to just take out site with yours. Can't you just piggyback it when you move? There can't be that much to it. You don't do anything anyway.
Me: You're right. There really isn't anything to it at all. You just push a couple of buttons and done. Here's the pass word and URL so you can move it yourself. Just follow the "directions."
[Fast forward 5 years]
Dude, that shits fucking hard. We've been trying to update things for 5 years and I still can't understand it.
Me: Yeah, it's like anything you do. It takes years to get good at it. And, a fuck load of TIME doing nothing.
And then I use to get this shit from family too:
"Hey, I need a computer for me and the girls to work on and do homework. Ours won;t work anymore, and it will cost more to fix than it's worth. Can you find us something that is cheap but will do what we need?"
Me: Sure, give me a bout 8-16 hours over the next week to research NUCs and NUC clones and then finding you the best deal for the NUC with the best warranty and CS."
Next Week
Me: So I found you a really good miniPC for 180 bucks that will have all the power you need for business applications and web browsing, playing music, emailing etc.
"Oh, we already bought one though my company."
Me: Oh really? How much did it cost?
"$3, 000 dollars but we got a monitor and printer with it."
Me: So why didn't you tell me so I didn't take all this time finding you what you said you needed?
"Ummm, I dunno."
A couple of years ago my brother indicated to me (without actually apologizing) that he really fucked up fucking me off with his website. Said he lost countless hours trying to do shit and never being able to do it. He finally had to hire someone.
Just got sick of that shit. Now when people ask me questions about computers, I just say, "I dunno."
Now when people come to my house and see my custom computer I took literally hours and months to think out and build, paint, solder, etc., and say, "Can you build me one of those." I say, "Most probably not."
So busy lately but I'm going to get some pictures of my rig and a list of things I did to it and post a video of it for comments suggestions, and of course, hate. Here are two quickies.
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Thats why you pay an extra $30 for an absolute control software license, when they stop paying you freeze the device.It honestly with anything that is profession. The worst are if a family member you never talk too come too to fix so and so problem when they found out you are Computer/HVAC/Mechanic/Plumber what ever and want free work out of you. I don't even want to do shit for my immediate family anymore. Over the summer I was helping my brother move. His wife when and brought drinks for her and him and didn't get me anything. She told me to get a drink out of the tap. Family is so ungrateful for your help. It is like something that is to be expected. The biggest mistake I ever made was a friend asked me to build him a computer and I ended up financing him the computer. Of course after a few months he stopped paying me and we never spoke again.
That's why you get the money upfront. Building computers to sell is a fools errand. The only way I would build a PC for profit is agreeing, in writing, that I DO NOT MAINTAIN IT and any work after the build is ON THEM and if any parts go bad it's ON them to get them replaced and then PAY me to reinstall them. Most people won't do that and settle for a prebuild Costco special with a year's worth of Dell support, or whatever.Thats why you pay an extra $30 for an absolute control software license, when they stop paying you freeze the device.
Maybe you'll get the hardware and/or payment after that, maybe you wont, but at least he wont be able to do anything with it without knowing what hes doing.
One summer I stripped the paint from my house with my (now ex) wife and had it repainted. The house transformed totally with the new color scheme and looks modern now. It took 2 months of manual grinding, person lifter rent, several worn out hand tools etc. A neighbor walks by after the job and compliments on the house.I hate that shit. They think you know everything right off the top of your head. It's like asking a guitar player, "So, how do you play the guitar. Hurry, I gotta eat dinner."
I once did a really nice website for my brother and his friend's fishing business. Here is how the conversations went:
Dude, can't you just put that her and update that for us today. You don't do anything except sit there anyway.
Me: There's quite a bit more to setting up a php module through WordPress in order to integrate your stand alone board with Facebook posts.
Oh I know man. We're just kidding. We don't need it until tomorrow.
[Fast forward 3 years later, and I've had it with both of them always running me down about how I don;t "do anything" becasue I chose to work with computers instead of banging nails or other labor type work]
Me: He guys, so I've decided I'm not doing websites anymore. I'm moving my personal site to another server. You'll need to make arrangements to have your site updated.
Dude, how hard can it be to just take out site with yours. Can't you just piggyback it when you move? There can't be that much to it. You don't do anything anyway.
Me: You're right. There really isn't anything to it at all. You just push a couple of buttons and done. Here's the pass word and URL so you can move it yourself. Just follow the "directions."
[Fast forward 5 years]
Dude, that shits fucking hard. We've been trying to update things for 5 years and I still can't understand it.
Me: Yeah, it's like anything you do. It takes years to get good at it. And, a fuck load of TIME doing nothing.
And then I use to get this shit from family too:
"Hey, I need a computer for me and the girls to work on and do homework. Ours won;t work anymore, and it will cost more to fix than it's worth. Can you find us something that is cheap but will do what we need?"
Me: Sure, give me a bout 8-16 hours over the next week to research NUCs and NUC clones and then finding you the best deal for the NUC with the best warranty and CS."
Next Week
Me: So I found you a really good miniPC for 180 bucks that will have all the power you need for business applications and web browsing, playing music, emailing etc.
"Oh, we already bought one though my company."
Me: Oh really? How much did it cost?
"$3, 000 dollars but we got a monitor and printer with it."
Me: So why didn't you tell me so I didn't take all this time finding you what you said you needed?
"Ummm, I dunno."
A couple of years ago my brother indicated to me (without actually apologizing) that he really fucked up fucking me off with his website. Said he lost countless hours trying to do shit and never being able to do it. He finally had to hire someone.
Just got sick of that shit. Now when people ask me questions about computers, I just say, "I dunno."
Now when people come to my house and see my custom computer I took literally hours and months to think out and build, paint, solder, etc., and say, "Can you build me one of those." I say, "Most probably not."
So busy lately but I'm going to get some pictures of my rig and a list of things I did to it and post a video of it for comments suggestions, and of course, hate. Here are two quickies.
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Do NOT use the links sent by auntjemima or any of those other "priced too good to be true" keys. Those keys are either bought in 3rd world countries and resold in US or purchased with stolen credit cards and resold at literally unbelievable prices. I've actually called my CDW rep (official Microsoft reseller) before and asked them "Where can I buy 1,000 Windows 10 keys on a roll" and he said there is no option like what people are selling online. The keys are illegal for resale in the United States. So, you can either think NewEgg, Amazon, CDW, etc are selling $10 keys for $140 and making 1000% markup ... or that they are not valid/legal for resale in the US. You decide what makes more sense. Plus, if you get caught m(re)selling that you could face serious penalties. As a business owner that would not be something you want to do.Where do I buy windows 10 pro for cheap if I want to build computers to resell?
thanks.
You fixed a strip club owner's computer and they gave you pizza as payment? You happen to be 14? hahaI recently got an offer from a strip club owner I know to come fix her computer for whisky, gin and pizza pay![]()
I bought my Win10 from someone here for like $10. Been perfect? I wouldn't do it on a regular basis, but a build every five years or so I can't see why not.Do NOT use the links sent by auntjemima or any of those other "priced too good to be true" keys. Those keys are either bought in 3rd world countries and resold in US or purchased with stolen credit cards and resold at literally unbelievable prices. I've actually called my CDW rep (official Microsoft reseller) before and asked them "Where can I buy 1,000 Windows 10 keys on a roll" and he said there is no option like what people are selling online. The keys are illegal for resale in the United States. So, you can either think NewEgg, Amazon, CDW, etc are selling $10 keys for $140 and making 1000% markup ... or that they are not valid/legal for resale in the US. You decide what makes more sense. Plus, if you get caught m(re)selling that you could face serious penalties. As a business owner that would not be something you want to do.
The correct way to do what you are doing is to join the Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher (MAR) program which will sell legit licenses and COA. Microsoft is making changes to their refurbsher program so some links may not work right now. But you can email oemmar@microsoft.com for more information.
He was my best friend's brother that I knew for awhile. I trusted him. I was young and naive. Never again after that.That's why you get the money upfront. Building computers to sell is a fools errand. The only way I would build a PC for profit is agreeing, in writing, that I DO NOT MAINTAIN IT and any work after the build is ON THEM and if any parts go bad it's ON them to get them replaced and then PAY me to reinstall them. Most people won't do that and settle for a prebuild Costco special with a year's worth of Dell support, or whatever.
People just have no MFing clue how much time people like us put into computers. They just think its an easy deal and everything is fixed, for free. It's disrespectful.
There is money is computer repairs. I still take jobs fixing computers for people. If I can't fix it, they don't pay. And, I NEVER fix hardware. That's a mistake unless you're into warranty service, which is, again, BIG mistake. One thing I've noticed is when I charge a minimum of 50 bucks to fix a software issue, people tend not to call you all of the time to do shit like they would if they could slave your ass.
I make it very clear that if I come out and fix your computer in a hour, it's 50 bucks. If I fix it in 10 minuites, its 50 bucks. If I fix it and it breaks again, if it's a different issue, it's 50 bucks. If you don't like it, don't call me. Call the Geek Squad and pay 150 bucks. It's amazing how much a small 50 dollar charge stops repeat calls. It's like all of the sudden, their rig works good enough.
Uh, I've seen plenty of the Champagne room and most of the girls are my friends lol.You fixed a strip club owner's computer and they gave you pizza as payment? You happen to be 14? haha
Two hours in the champagne room. Minimum.
If the club had a breakfast buffet I would visit there every day lol. On some slow days when there aren't many customers we order takeaway and have a picnic, that's about it. Some nights I take the girls to sauna with me, us all naked of course like finnish sauna is supposed to be. Sometimes I get to give them body massages, which is much more fun than just watch them danceOnly thing that comes to mind is when Ron Swanson goes to the strip club just for the free continental breakfast.
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Yes it should be about as legal as using the 5 dollar key.Just use a Windows ISO from MS and install it without registering. Done deal.
You and auntjemima are literally better off just pirating your OS. If the key is not for legal resale in the US, the fact that it activates does not imply a legit license. By pirating at least you're not feeding money into the stolen CC business.I bought my Win10 from someone here for like $10. Been perfect? I wouldn't do it on a regular basis, but a build every five years or so I can't see why not.
I don't know why everyone keeps tagging me. I linked two threads on this very forum with links to solutions. If he doesn't like the solution, don't use it.You and auntjemima are literally better off just pirating your OS. If the key is not for legal resale in the US, the fact that it activates does not imply a legit license. By pirating at least you're not feeding money into the stolen CC business.
It's not illegal to install a non registered Windows ISO. He's selling the computer, not the OS. Anyone can install a Windows ISO for anyone else, anytime, and it's perfectly legal. And, you can charge for your time.Yes it should be about as legal as using the 5 dollar key.