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Ick nicehash down

This is more complicated to read up on, study, setup and run it with confidence than any mailserver I configured, hands down !

I have yet to find a "HowTo Mine" like you find one for Postfix or Samba. This is the hardest part for me, to find solid and reliable answers to questions that arise when you start mining with the intention to make as much as the GPU costed over an acceptable time frame.

A friend from a friend ( yeah, not the best way to get solid info, heck I know ) introduced us to Ethereum with Claymore DualMiner. I tried other miners but didnt get happy but with the Claymore. It runs with the config I made and checked against the one I made at Nanopool.org. I am using theirs now as it contains my GPU string and 2 variables I hadn#t included, so far so good.

My hash rate is about ~33.2-33.9 MH/sec with the GPU in default clocks but the RAM is set 400MHZ up, MSI Afterburner reads 1987/5400 and an average of 203w, 48-50°C constant.

Is that a good rate for Ethereum and ClaymoreDM ?




More concerns I have about the next question:

I want my BTC and ETH not on any public service, web bank, exchange platform or such. I want my private key in my hands, as I do with GPG/PGP for almost 20 years. I want that no one can rob any web service and get my money !
What I did, with the knowledge I could gather was a Wallet for each currency at JAXX. As far as I understood it, I am the holder of the private key, I own the account, they dont have and actually never had my private key at Jaxx, they dont store it and thus cannot be robbed from their place.

Am I right with that assumption ? I have my 12 recovery words secured with GPG and stored away, I have made a Paper Wallet and printed it out, saved the HTML in GPG and locked it away as well. If I ever need to park money, the paper account is my own Safe, that's how I understood it's purpose, or one of them. I know that I shall never publish the Paper Wallets Public Key so it remains secret who that is. I may transfer from my own Jaxx to to my Paper account and only I will know who Mr.Paper is, ME. Is that correct too ?

If I ever make some serious money, enough to justify a hardware wallet I will get one of the two brands available. For now, with 0.00 on each account, any wallet will do. I just want to play it safe and secure from day one on as I will be the one who will have many local guys in his trail, they will all ask me how to set it up...and I dont wanna tell them Bullshit or worse, risk their coins and dreams.


A: Is my approach safe ? My #1 problem that I somehow dont find an answer to on the net.
B: Is my ETH-hashrate ~33.5mhs OK ?

The script for CDM contains my ETH wallet address, Nanopool will pay to that address, Jaxx is only my GUI to easily manage my coins, I can use any other wallet anytime and all I need are my 12 words !?

The thing I dont get is, I can add a lot of currencies in Jaxx, do those 12 words cover all private keys ? That is something I cant believe and makes me think Jaxx is still somehow responsible for linking all my currencies and their respective keys into this 1 GUI. What do I dont get here.

This drives me nuts, only good thing is, I hope so at least, while I think my GPU makes money for her successor ;) !

Thank you
 
What hardware are you running, Mr. Wall of Text?

FYI, there are more profitable algos you could be mining than Eth.
 
Riccochet said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you set your auto-exchange coin to something like LTC it could take even longer for your LTC wallet to show coins. I think your alts go to the exchange, are sold for BTC, then LTC is purchased with the BTC, then it gets transferred to your wallet. It's be a slow, steady roll for me seeing LTC go in to my wallet. It comes in bursts.
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the fees are so terrible with BTC transactions though that it doesn't matter if you have to wait a lil longer. You can easily still get daily payouts even if you're not that big. I haven't tinkered with auto exchanging at all. I've been just auto sending those coins to the exchange myself. With some API work you can do the exchanging yourself pretty easily.

I have a tool I'm working on that daily auto exchanging is a part of
Geno750 said:
Yeah I did it to see what the difference would be. I've been using AM for a while, and mining XMR directly with my Vega's. I'll keep mining on NH with just my CPU's though, that shit just works.
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seems to be just mining ETN so you could just mine ETN yourself and not bother giving anything to nicehash.
 
With them operating in non profit mode till I'm repaid I'll keep my CPU's pointed their way. My GPU's are doing great mining XMR (AMD) and whatever MPH has the Nvidia ones doing (getting paid out in LTC).
 
Parja said:
What hardware are you running, Mr. Wall of Text?

FYI, there are more profitable algos you could be mining than Eth.
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on 580's not really eth is basically the king right now for the 570/580. Cryptonight runs ice cool though so if you have more expensive power there's probably merit to exploring ETN.
 
33mhs on RX580 is almost unheard of


You must not be undervolting.
 
BitMaster said:
This is more complicated to read up on, study, setup and run it with confidence than any mailserver I configured, hands down !

I have yet to find a "HowTo Mine" like you find one for Postfix or Samba. This is the hardest part for me, to find solid and reliable answers to questions that arise when you start mining with the intention to make as much as the GPU costed over an acceptable time frame.

A friend from a friend ( yeah, not the best way to get solid info, heck I know ) introduced us to Ethereum with Claymore DualMiner. I tried other miners but didnt get happy but with the Claymore. It runs with the config I made and checked against the one I made at Nanopool.org. I am using theirs now as it contains my GPU string and 2 variables I hadn#t included, so far so good.

My hash rate is about ~33.2-33.9 MH/sec with the GPU in default clocks but the RAM is set 400MHZ up, MSI Afterburner reads 1987/5400 and an average of 203w, 48-50°C constant.

Is that a good rate for Ethereum and ClaymoreDM ?




More concerns I have about the next question:

I want my BTC and ETH not on any public service, web bank, exchange platform or such. I want my private key in my hands, as I do with GPG/PGP for almost 20 years. I want that no one can rob any web service and get my money !
What I did, with the knowledge I could gather was a Wallet for each currency at JAXX. As far as I understood it, I am the holder of the private key, I own the account, they dont have and actually never had my private key at Jaxx, they dont store it and thus cannot be robbed from their place.

Am I right with that assumption ? I have my 12 recovery words secured with GPG and stored away, I have made a Paper Wallet and printed it out, saved the HTML in GPG and locked it away as well. If I ever need to park money, the paper account is my own Safe, that's how I understood it's purpose, or one of them. I know that I shall never publish the Paper Wallets Public Key so it remains secret who that is. I may transfer from my own Jaxx to to my Paper account and only I will know who Mr.Paper is, ME. Is that correct too ?

If I ever make some serious money, enough to justify a hardware wallet I will get one of the two brands available. For now, with 0.00 on each account, any wallet will do. I just want to play it safe and secure from day one on as I will be the one who will have many local guys in his trail, they will all ask me how to set it up...and I dont wanna tell them Bullshit or worse, risk their coins and dreams.


A: Is my approach safe ? My #1 problem that I somehow dont find an answer to on the net.
B: Is my ETH-hashrate ~33.5mhs OK ?

The script for CDM contains my ETH wallet address, Nanopool will pay to that address, Jaxx is only my GUI to easily manage my coins, I can use any other wallet anytime and all I need are my 12 words !?

The thing I dont get is, I can add a lot of currencies in Jaxx, do those 12 words cover all private keys ? That is something I cant believe and makes me think Jaxx is still somehow responsible for linking all my currencies and their respective keys into this 1 GUI. What do I dont get here.

This drives me nuts, only good thing is, I hope so at least, while I think my GPU makes money for her successor ;) !

Thank you
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My findings on ETH hashrate is as follows: Undervolting/oc ram and reasonable power limits and fan speeds/cooling
Nano - 25 mhs - sucks!
Rx 290 - 27 mhs
1070 - 30 mhs (many do better here)
1080 Ti 36 mhs
Vega 64 - 40 mhs

I would think a paper wallet (which really is a key holder for the blockchain for your account) can be the safest if you don't loose it or it gets destroyed or stolen. Then you work your way up from there. You are your worst security risk with a paper wallet. I like an encrypted flash drive with several backups, I just use Windows Bitlocker. Now to use your funds you will have to in many cases end up transferring to an exchange unless you transfer it directly, plus whoever follows through for what you payed for.
 
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BitMaster said:
See signature, didnt mention it since I hoped you'd see it, guess not.
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For Nvidia Pascal hardware, ram speed affects hash rate more than anything else I've found. Which allows some great energy savings by reducing overall power limits/voltages for the GPU. The Rx 290 GPU loves clock speed which can turn into a torch rather quickly, so lowering volts, if you can, really works there. Maybe the best thing is to experiment and take notes to find out what is best for your configuration.
 
if you only mine modded bios is way to go also with amds to get more outa them my rx480 does 30mil/625 on eth/sub coin running 1272/2150@1.03-1.05 with a mem strap bios. It took alot of work to get my card to undervolt with newer drivers and msi afterburner tho was a pain im scared to reboot it lol.
 
bal3wolf said:
if you only mine modded bios is way to go also with amds to get more outa them my rx480 does 30mil/625 on eth/sub coin running 1272/2150@1.03-1.05 with a mem strap bios. It took alot of work to get my card to undervolt with newer drivers and msi afterburner tho was a pain im scared to reboot it lol.
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Does the newest afterburner work with the newest AMD drivers? For a while afterburner didn’t work with AMD drivers. As far as I knew it still didn’t. Meaning you had to set up the AMD settings individually per card by wattman.
 
Caught am mining at 63 cents for my 1050ti. Stopping and starting the miner got it mining something else at 1.61. Any way to prevent this? It seems to have been switching automatically just fine all day until now.
 
Archaea said:
Does the newest afterburner work with the newest AMD drivers? For a while afterburner didn’t work with AMD drivers. As far as I knew it still didn’t. Meaning you had to set up the AMD settings individually per card by wattman.
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it works but a pain to undervolt it seems for my card.


mnewxcv said:
Caught am mining at 63 cents for my 1050ti. Stopping and starting the miner got it mining something else at 1.61. Any way to prevent this? It seems to have been switching automatically just fine all day until now.
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It could have something to do with coin prices nose diving tonight.
 
Has anyone else noticed how different the hash rate is in awesome miner with MPH, vs. Nicehash?

My four 1080TI undervolted to 65% power target are 20% faster consistently in Nicehash.

Awesome Miner and MPH state they are 20% more pfofitable, but unofficially I feel like awesome miner's target income is about 20-30% too high for what you actually get at the end of the day.


For instance:

Four - 1080TI in Nice Hash at 1:14AM
See hash rate is 250MH/s combined and profits are expected to be 22.49 per day. (I've always found Nicehash to be reliable and accurate on profit expectations)

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NO changes whatsoever - those same four 1080TI at the exact same clockspeeds - just closed NiceHash and opened Awesome Miner assigned to MPH. Notice I'm getting 200MH/s -- but profits say they should be $24.44 per day. (I think that's always reading too high)
This is one minute later at 1:15AM. I've noticed this regularly over the last few days. Not sure what to make of it.
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My cousin and I were talking today. He's noticed the same thing. Sure it's great seeing those sky high income numbers in awesome miner - but they just haven't panned out this last week. Somewhere like 20-30% less than what it suggests is what I see actually coming into my wallets with Awesome Miner. Not sure if it's the transaction fees, or missing the block bonuses or what -- I am autoconverting to bitcoin with everything but ETH when using Awesome Miner. The only time I actually get what the Awesome Miner says I should be getting is mining straight Eth and NOT auto exchanging it. That rig says $40 a day, and I actually make $40 a day - deposited to my Eth wallet. Everything else is less than I expected.

Is this what the rest of you are seeing?

If so, then why would I want to use Awesome miner. Profits only say they are higher, but in actuality seem lower?

My cousin thinks so. He used Awesome miner for a week like me and is happily back at nicehash already with his rigs. I'm still trying to figure out if I'm reading this all wrong and not waiting for everything to mature or what, but for instance. I've mined for 5 days since my last BTC payout on 12-16. MPH states I have .018 credited. That's only $241 bucks!!!

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Now in that same time I've also been mining to hash refinery - but it says I've only made about $50 confirmed. ​
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Now I have made about $180 in eth during that time so

$241 + 50 + $180 = $480. I guess that's about right for 5 days. Maybe a little shy of nicehash, but regardless it's certainly not the numbers that the Awesome Miner is suggesting I'm making

Rig1 always says >= $40 a day Eth
Rig 2 always says >= $35 a day Equihash
Rig 3 always says >= $40 a day Equihash
Rig 4 is off and on - but figure $7 a day - cause it's just a single 1080TI.


That should be $120 a day -- see I'm missing 20% off what Awesome Miner claims....



Just thinking outloud in this post. :)
 
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This might sound like dumb questions, but if I have 3 systems running NiceHash is there any way to get all 3 systems to show up on the same page when looking at their results. Currently each system has its own page. All three have the same Coinbase Bitcoin address used. Also, for the payout minimum, is that per system or is that all systems combined? Because I never made a NiceHash account and don't know how they would know to combine the balances as is.
 
Gilthanis said:
This might sound like dumb questions, but if I have 3 systems running NiceHash is there any way to get all 3 systems to show up on the same page when looking at their results. Currently each system has its own page. All three have the same Coinbase Bitcoin address used. Also, for the payout minimum, is that per system or is that all systems combined? Because I never made a NiceHash account and don't know how they would know to combine the balances as is.
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If all miners are using the same bitcoin address, then they'll show up on the same page under https://www.nicehash.com/miner/<insert your BTC address here>
It may take some time for everything to show up, and the stats won't be real-time.
 
Archaea said:
Has anyone else noticed how different the hash rate is in awesome miner with MPH, vs. Nicehash?

My four 1080TI undervolted to 65% power target are 20% faster consistently in Nicehash.

Awesome Miner and MPH state they are 20% more pfofitable, but unofficially I feel like awesome miner's target income is about 20-30% too high for what you actually get at the end of the day.


For instance:

Four - 1080TI in Nice Hash at 1:14AM
See hash rate is 250MH/s combined and profits are expected to be 22.49 per day. (I've always found Nicehash to be reliable and accurate on profit expectations)

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NO changes whatsoever - those same four 1080TI at the exact same clockspeeds - just closed NiceHash and opened Awesome Miner assigned to MPH. Notice I'm getting 200MH/s -- but profits say they should be $24.44 per day. (I think that's always reading too high)
This is one minute later at 1:15AM. I've noticed this regularly over the last few days. Not sure what to make of it.
View attachment 47279



My cousin and I were talking today. He's noticed the same thing. Sure it's great seeing those sky high income numbers in awesome miner - but they just haven't panned out this last week. Somewhere like 20-30% less than what it suggests is what I see actually coming into my wallets with Awesome Miner. Not sure if it's the transaction fees, or missing the block bonuses or what -- I am autoconverting to bitcoin with everything but ETH when using Awesome Miner. The only time I actually get what the Awesome Miner says I should be getting is mining straight Eth and NOT auto exchanging it. That rig says $40 a day, and I actually make $40 a day - deposited to my Eth wallet. Everything else is less than I expected.

Is this what the rest of you are seeing?

If so, then why would I want to use Awesome miner. Profits only say they are higher, but in actuality seem lower?

My cousin thinks so. He used Awesome miner for a week like me and is happily back at nicehash already with his rigs. I'm still trying to figure out if I'm reading this all wrong and not waiting for everything to mature or what, but for instance. I've mined for 5 days since my last BTC payout on 12-16. MPH states I have .018 credited. That's only $241 bucks!!!

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Now in that same time I've also been mining to hash refinery - but it says I've only made about $50 confirmed. ​
View attachment 47282

Now I have made about $180 in eth during that time so

$241 + 50 + $180 = $480. I guess that's about right for 5 days. Maybe a little shy of nicehash, but regardless it's certainly not the numbers that the Awesome Miner is suggesting I'm making

Rig1 always says >= $40 a day Eth
Rig 2 always says >= $35 a day Equihash
Rig 3 always says >= $40 a day Equihash
Rig 4 is off and on - but figure $7 a day - cause it's just a single 1080TI.


That should be $120 a day -- see I'm missing 20% off what Awesome Miner claims....



Just thinking outloud in this post. :)
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I was thinking the same thing as I played around with it yesterday. I think the NH numbers inflate from time to time as well. I took this picture after I pointed my Vega rig to the NH pool to see what it's payout would be.

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This was yesterday, pre crypto space tumble. The Vega rig does about 10.2kh/s (5 Vega 64's).

My only solace with the current direction of crypto currency prices is I sold all my BCC at $4200 the day it went live on coinbase.
 
I sold my BCH when trading on GDAX went live. Got $3750 per for them. I'm not regretting that sale.
 
BitMaster said:
See signature, didnt mention it since I hoped you'd see it, guess not.
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Ok, so a 1080Ti. Best algos are going to be Equihash, Lyra2REv2, NeoScrypt, and X11Gost...and occasionally LBRY.

Honestly, best bet for you since best algo on NVIDIA changes pretty frequently and if you don't want to do a whole lot of management is going to be to just mine on Nicehash.
 
ended up disabling neoscript on AM. It was jumping to it, mining @ $4.98. Stopped and restarted miner, now doing equihash for $7.84 with a 1050ti and 1080ti.
 
There is a high likelihood i'm going back to NH.

NH pays you for selling your hashing power. It's a concrete sale of a contract at that point. You're basically abstracting most of the risk out of the multicoin profit equation.

... and i think that works a ton better than mining out coins directly to an exchange and then waiting for them to clear.
 
atp1916 said:
There is a high likelihood i'm going back to NH.

NH pays you for selling your hashing power. It's a concrete sale of a contract at that point. You're basically abstracting most of the risk out of the multicoin profit equation.

... and i think that works a ton better than mining out coins directly to an exchange and then waiting for them to clear.
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Well I just started using AM a couple days ago, and dialing it in based on forum feedback, but when I directed nicehash at my CPU, 1050ti, and 1080ti, it was claiming to produce $1 less than AM without the extra for the CPU. So I am mining GPUs with AM and CPU on NH.
 
See i don't think using AM w/ NH is gonna work out very well.

NH's profitability calculation is based directly on demand for a particular coin.

AM's standard profitability calculation is obvioulsy based on difficulty of that coin.

In other words, if i'm selling my hash to create the difficulty on that coin - i'll always have first pickings at the profits.

....unless i'm thinking of this the wrong way.
 
Thing with MPH is the time delay in being confirmed credited for your mining makes it hard to compare with NH minute to minute. Also MPH confirmed credit will already have the pool fee subtracted (fee also included after credited exchange) while NH will take their fees when paid out so NH will look higher when it may not be.

Hash rates should be the same, check if using the same miner program and what parameters. Should be able to copy from NH to AM.

I've been mining ETH and XMR on MPH directly, not with AM, and just looking at the coin values not dollar values they are where I expect them to be. But I have to look at daily values because of time delay in getting confirmed.
 
cpuspeed said:
Thing with MPH is the time delay in being confirmed credited for your mining makes it hard to compare with NH minute to minute. Also MPH confirmed credit will already have the pool fee subtracted (fee also included after credited exchange) while NH will take their fees when paid out so NH will look higher when it may not be.

Hash rates should be the same, check if using the same miner program and what parameters. Should be able to copy from NH to AM.

I've been mining ETH and XMR on MPH directly, not with AM, and just looking at the coin values not dollar values they are where I expect them to be. But I have to look at daily values because of time delay in getting confirmed.
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screenshots I saw make the hashrates not appear to be the same.
 
also have to add in the fee to send it to you to cash out where on mph you can use ltc and only pay like 30cents vs 5usd or more on btc, and it looks like right now nicehash ahs suspended payouts to external wallets because of the high fee.
 
mkrohn said:
screenshots I saw make the hashrates not appear to be the same.
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yea, not same but they should be. neither NH nor AM do miner software, they both use 3rd party miners (claymore, sgminer, xmr-stak..etc). should be able to copy what miner NH is using and configure AM to use that miner as well so hash rates would be same.
 
I have all my stuff back on NH minus 1 cpu i have doing etn on nano pool. I have had one system hiccup that
was caught within 45 mins thru just sure luck.

Have to see how the payout goes with them. I rather stick with BTC at the moment. Hoping the fee
stuff works its way back to reasonable levels .
 
don't know about you guys but my nicehash is giving me issues and not connecting, or the app being unresponsive. across 2 PCs.
 
MPH ?? no idea what that is, I understand that NH is NiceHash and that they control what your rig calculates, with C- and G-PU.

Doing 36MH/sec now o ETH with Claymore Dual Miner in single mode and Nanopool. I have not yet been able to undervolt the card, somehow I lack the correct tools I guess. MSI Afterburner or Asus GPU Tweak dont allow undervolting afai have tested.

Need to read a lot and ask a lot, many abbreveations I dont get ( german is my 1st language ). Anyway, it does make fun.

My buddy is running 2 x 1070 with ETH and says he made 160€ last month....If I make ~half, that's fine.
 
With MSI Afterburner you have to enable voltage control in the settings for it to (maybe) work, otherwise you may have to do BIOS mods on the card. I didn't bother with with it since I run purely Nvidia and lowering the power limit does just fine for me.


MPH = Mining Pool Hub. It's a less elegant than NH, but with enough work with the right tools (e.g. Awesome Miner) you can get similar results.
 
Thank you Ryan_975 ! I could have figured that myself I guess LoL Mining Pool Hub..yeah..makes sense. Too much input with mining last view days, need to sort in in my brain first haha.

I had Voltage Control enabled etc. but ZERO+ was the lowest it let me, no way to go lower than default. Yes, I have checked the PT setting, I will see how it effects my 1.050 Volts, they did not come down.

Right now I run 100% PT with a heavy OC for the RAM, 12GHz RAM and 2025MHz on the GPU at 50°C constant last 12h, DIY water cooled with a Monster-Radiator3 external ( 4x180mm ).

It really takes time to get into all these hacks and wisdom one needs to make mining profitable
 
Bitmaster,

For AMD cards you pretty much have to use AMD’s own Wattman to undervolt.

MSI afterburner doesn’t work with the newest AMD drivers. (AFAIK)
 
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