TroyTalksNoMore
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...what you really meant to say was: FUCK AMERICA - FUCK YEAH !
What most people fail to recognize is that IBM is doing the same shit as MS, Apple, Salesforce, Oracle, etc.
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...what you really meant to say was: FUCK AMERICA - FUCK YEAH !
I hear you. I switched jobs recently - I'm in my mid 40's and am one of the younger ones at the place I went toI'm almost 45, work for an IT company and fear for my job as well. To disguise myself as an Millennial I vape, eat avocado toast and pretend to know everything. So far its worked
A reliable paycheck and more affordable health insurance are high in the list.
Most people who are in business for themselves need to have a spouse working a steady 9-5 just to make sure they can get good insurance, and have a paycheck just in case business is slow.
Besides, no matter what you do you always have a boss. It may not be a higher ranking employee, but you still have customers.
That, and the stress of variable income would be way greater to me than the frustration of the 9-5 office environment.
Successful at what? It really depends on your metric. Sure we look good in GDP per capita, stock market growth, and military power, but we are 18th in the world in happiness, (Costa Rica of all places is ahead of us at #13) , and in income inequality indeces, depending on which one you use we fall pretty far down the list.
We are also failing at social mobility. Your income as an adult is much more likely to be influenced by the income of your parents than in most other industrialized nations, which is particularly sad, as we once prided ourselves on the "only in America" mentality of self made success.
We also have the third highest poverty rate among OECD nations, and our healthcare system, while it does very well for those top few percent who can afford it (which is why it attracts dignitaries from around the world) is absolutely failing for the population as a whole. We fall in #37 according to a much publicized UN study.
I guess my point is, by what measure are you calling the U.S. "the most successful"? Because to me it would seem that the most important metrics are how well our people are doing, and by those measures we are failing abysmally as a nation. I say this as a natural born U.S. citizen, living here now, but having grown up abroad (In Sweden) and traveled a lot.
Incomes may be a little lower in Sweden, but life is much much easier there, especially if you want to have a family.
When it comes to the well being of our people, we, the U.S. are the flaming dumpster fire of the traditional industrialized world.
I lived in one of them for 16 years. It was great, and I have often thought about moving back.
It's difficult to uproot your family and fly across the world though, especially when you have developed a skillset that is very much in demand locally.
Nope. Both parties are to blame here, though that said, Republicans particularly in the house, seem to excel at anti-fact decision making. It would be nice to have technocrats who decide based on scientific consensus on the field they are making decisions (economists for economic matters, educational experts on the subject of education, etc. etc.) for a change. We have too much rage and heated rhetoric when what we really need is cold and detached fact based decision-making.
Belize? Must be nice there
Canada is it?
So, if my sources are remotely correct, about 33,000 Canadian citizens immigrate to the US each year as a recent (2001-2006, yes it's older data). And that compares to a recent (2016-2017) totals of 2,500ish Americans being accepted into Canada and those numbers include Visa grants.
33,000 ..... 2.500
I have to admit, the crybaby comment sparked my interest until I realized that you were probably talking about the one's fleeing Oppression under Trump and is illegal seizure of the White House (tongue definitely in cheek).
There's the smoking gun. This guy was probably making big money, they could pay a Millennial $40k/year and give them a $1500/year bonus and then gloat to shareholders about how much more profitable they were this year. Fast-forward to news article about Millennials killing some industry because they're not buying things for some reason.
I think the bigger driving factor is insurance costs. People over 40 start becoming a big liability for long term health issues that will eventually drive up the premiums on the company. Higher premiums mean they have to put more of the cost on the employee. The more they put on the employee, the less attractive they become to new talent.
That's why there's such a huge "wellness" push in med to large companies. They're trying desperately to keep their insurance as low as possible.
We would also have much higher taxes, or else much higher debt.If you had a universal healthcare system...like every other industrialized nation on the world...then you would eliminate that being a factor.
blah blah blah
Freedom baby. Technocrats making decisions based on scientific consensus leads to genocide.
Success definitely isn't measured by well being lol.
Winning isn't easy.
So much this. Every big corporation has the same idea of "My shareholders love that I'm letting other companies pay high wages so the bulk of my consumer base can pay the high price of my products," when in reality it as you say. The bulk of the consumers are fast becoming people that only earn 40-50k/year. At some point, this cycle has to break something as people will only be able to afford the bare essentials especially if things like housing continue to rise.
military success
I'm sending you to hell for that!Somehow I don't think it will work in practice....
I'm sending you to hell for that!
So what you really meant to say was:
"flooding the market with cheap foreign labor" ~ "shifts wealth from older people to foreigners..."
I was in construction for 20+ years & illegal immigration decimated US wages.
I moved to tech for 10 years & saw H1* visa's from India & China & outsourcing decimate US wages.
So you think we should spread wealth to the rest of the world & FUCK AMERICA - FUCK YEAH !
obama spread the wealth
We would also have much higher taxes, or else much higher debt.
I'm assuming that last part was sarcasm? If not, you got the opposite out of what I was trying to say. Decades of illegal and legal immigration have decimated American wages was the gist of the article(I don't think you read it) which includes older people. On top of a flood of immigrants, your older crowd also has to compete with the younger generation just entering the job market.
Immmigrants are taking the jobs most Americans don't want. They arenot the reason American wages are lower.
I'm assuming that last part was sarcasm?
Immmigrants are taking the jobs most Americans don't want. They arenot the reason American wages are lower.
Yes and no. If someone is an expert, but has no ethics, and their whole agenda is to tow the line and get paid, no matter who gets hurt, then they shouldn't be in charge of anything. Alternately, say someone is an expert in a flawed field and has downright wrong conceptions, despite being very experienced, they can do just as much damage.
I'm almost 45, work for an IT company and fear for my job as well. To disguise myself as an Millennial I vape, eat avocado toast and pretend to know everything. So far its worked
Lol so true.In my work we're like varying ages of like 30 - 50 or so but the mental age remained at 25.
And H1B is taking jobs that we do want plus keeping the salaries at an artificially low rate. All for the benefit of the American worker, no doubt.
" Experts are the only people who should ever run anything." -Hitler 1938
https://www.amazon.com/Business-Gen...5395&sr=8-1&keywords=the+business+of+genocide
Maybe some of those jobs were desirable a couple decades ago? I wouldn't want the construction jobs of today either if they used to pay $45/hr but now pay $11. While I may somewhat agree with you, I also don't think your statement should stop there as the end all/be all rebuttal. Maybe it was because of an overabundance of immigration throughout the decades that today many of the jobs became undesirable? There is some pride in being a 'ditch digger'(your average american with only a high school diploma) and still raising your family on a single income. There is not much pride in being the same 'ditch digger' and living in mom's basement. I would like to see some arguments on whether Americans would truly take those jobs or not, why they will or will not such as either pay scale or the work is beneath them. I think you know my opinion in that the wages moved lower and lower over time so many Americans began to see less value in taking the work.Immmigrants are taking the jobs most Americans don't want. They arenot the reason American wages are lower.
So what is the reason omniscient one?
Maybe some of those jobs were desirable a couple decades ago? I wouldn't want the construction jobs of today either if they used to pay $45/hr but now pay $11. While I may somewhat agree with you, I also don't think your statement should end there as the answer. Maybe it was because of an overabundance of immigration throughout the decades that today many of the jobs became undesirable?
You are saying the same thing without really adding to the argument and making absolute statements you are accusing others of. As far as your service jobs in restaurants, you are wrong as the article I referenced earlier points out those positions are seeing increased wages in Iowa. If immigrants were taking those jobs, the ones you say your average American does not want, then the wages would stay low according to your argument of only immigrants take low-paying menial work.Most Americans do not want to work harvesting fruit and vegetables, nor in service jobs in restaurants, etc. Blaming immigrants for low wages overlooks a lot of things.
H1B is a special case, and is not usually part of the discussion, which usually centers on illegal immigrants. I don't believe we should be issuing so many of them for workers, as that does destabilize wages. But many of the big companies like the arrangement, which is consistent with other policies inimical to people who work.
I don't understand your conflation of competence and genocide. It's utter nonsense if you ask me. Godwins law and all that, i guess.
Does the Biblical God believe in a god above him, was god happy when he flooded the world killing all but a hand few of things?Username doesn't checkout
We would also have much higher taxes, or else much higher debt.
Unions are a double edged curse.
Many employers are willing to put your life at risk so they can make an extra tree-fiddy.
Many unions give protections to useless employees but we all get equal pay...
And then - there's the overhead of dues & BA's & politics, etc.
We won't solve it here, so I'll STFU after saying that I think - unions do more good than harm.
You are saying the same thing without really adding to the argument and making absolute statements you are accusing others of. As far as your service jobs in restaurants, you are wrong as the article I referenced earlier points out those positions are seeing increased wages in Iowa. If immigrants were taking those jobs, the ones you say your average American does not want, then the wages would stay low according to your argument of only immigrants take low-paying menial work.