That was pretty ignorant of you, Intel now knows where this cpu is and can easily get your info and force you to give it back.
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I seem to have an Engineering sample e6400
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That was pretty ignorant of you, Intel now knows where this cpu is and can easily get your info and force you to give it back.
Can you read the thread before posting.
It turned out it was not a ES, just his board came overclocked (425FSB)
Do you know what an ES is? Even if the board was overclocked, the chip was still stamped Intel Confidential, obviously that's an ES, I have two of them sitting on my desk here, I know what an ES chip looks like. Now please go back and read the entire thread and you'll see atleast two people have received ES chips from this company.
That was pretty ignorant of you, Intel now knows where this cpu is and can easily get your info and force you to give it back.
After being involved with this vendor, there are a number of places that Intel could find them... Ignorant... They can have their dead engineering sample chip back.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal for a company to be selling engineering samples to customers? Isn't that fraud as the customer is intending on recieving a normal cpu and not an engineering sample? Also, isn't that against Intels agreements?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal for a company to be selling engineering samples to customers? Isn't that fraud as the customer is intending on recieving a normal cpu and not an engineering sample? Also, isn't that against Intels agreements?
which is why the guys that got the CPU's from them should never have contacted Intel, if they were not happy about getting an ES CPU they should have RMA'd to Stallion and let them correct their own mistakes, me personally, as long as the thing worked correctly, i'd have kept my mouth shut, maybe even sold it and replace it with a retail chip...but contacting Intel would have been the very last thing I would have ever done
which is why the guys that got the CPU's from them should never have contacted Intel, if they were not happy about getting an ES CPU they should have RMA'd to Stallion and let them correct their own mistakes, me personally, as long as the thing worked correctly, i'd have kept my mouth shut, maybe even sold it and replace it with a retail chip...but contacting Intel would have been the very last thing I would have ever done
Well the problem is that with an engineering sample you throw any kinda warranty/gurantees out the window. It's also unethical to do so.
What the vendor should have done was setup a system where that if you want a engineering sample you should be able to mention it during your checkout.
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Do you know what an ES is? Even if the board was overclocked, the chip was still stamped Intel Confidential, obviously that's an ES, I have two of them sitting on my desk here, I know what an ES chip looks like. Now please go back and read the entire thread and you'll see atleast two people have received ES chips from this company.
Fair enough, I thought I read it was marked in the packaging, marked on the processor however is pretty much definitive lol.
That was pretty ignorant of you, Intel now knows where this cpu is and can easily get your info and force you to give it back.
While intel says they can claim it back, they really have no such interest. It's probably only for say when something gets public before any of the NDA's had even matured yet.
Why contact intel about it? Because stallion wants 15% restocking fee if you want to return it. They won't admit it's engineering sample. Then it's your loss of time, 15%, and cost to ship back.which is why the guys that got the CPU's from them should never have contacted Intel, if they were not happy about getting an ES CPU they should have RMA'd to Stallion and let them correct their own mistakes, me personally, as long as the thing worked correctly, i'd have kept my mouth shut, maybe even sold it and replace it with a retail chip...but contacting Intel would have been the very last thing I would have ever done
Also, my cpu looked like it had been used before, which isn't all too surprising. To whoever was saying keep your mouth shut, it's a hot deal. But then at the same time, if you think about it just solely in terms of used, I've seen e6400's go for 180 used. hmm..
Stallion Tek replaced my bad processor... It did not work in my Asus board, but worked in their Intel board.
We tried another conroe (also ES) in my board and it booted fine so I kept that one. Overall i'm happy, but it's bad business ethics to offer a product like this without being upfront about it.
I never contacted Intel, so get off my back.
We tried another conroe (also ES) in my board and it booted fine so I kept that one. Overall i'm happy, but it's bad business ethics to offer a product like this without being upfront about it.
I never contacted Intel, so get off my back.
Stallion Tek replaced my bad processor... It did not work in my Asus board, but worked in their Intel board.
We tried another conroe (also ES) in my board and it booted fine so I kept that one. Overall i'm happy, but it's bad business ethics to offer a product like this without being upfront about it.
I never contacted Intel, so get off my back.
Do they have a physical store down in Beltsville that you can go to or did you do this all through the mail?
Do they have a physical store down in Beltsville that you can go to or did you do this all through the mail?
I'm guessing they don't actually have a physical store open to the public but they'd still let you in if you showed up. Justler would be the only one to say though
I mean I guess in the enthusiast world of people looking for ES's, they're a gem. But otherwise, you definitely feel the shaft. They can't publically announce they're selling es though. I'd imagine they'd have gotten in trouble already had that been the case. So all they're doing is calling them oem and covering warranty themselves for 90 days. I would have said with a practice like this, it won't last long, but looks like they've been doing it forever.
While intel says they can claim it back, they really have no such interest. It's probably only for say when something gets public before any of the NDA's had even matured yet.
They have done it to ALOT of people, especially on ebay, im not saying they will im saying its ignorant which means its not smart, its not an insult.
They do not have a retail store. I called and asked if I can personally show up and pickup my item. I also asked if I could stop by and test my chip out on their bench and get a replacement if it did not work.
The tech I worked with was extremely knowledgeable. thumbs up to that!
They have a lot of other Core 2 Duo ES'. I would guess all of the processors in the core 2 are ES versions.
The tech I worked with was extremely knowledgeable. thumbs up to that!
They have a lot of other Core 2 Duo ES'. I would guess all of the processors in the core 2 are ES versions.
They do not have a retail store. I called and asked if I can personally show up and pickup my item. I also asked if I could stop by and test my chip out on their bench and get a replacement if it did not work.
The tech I worked with was extremely knowledgeable. thumbs up to that!
They have a lot of other Core 2 Duo ES'. I would guess all of the processors in the core 2 are ES versions.
I'm quite surprised at their flexibility and willingness to work. Wasn't expecting that at all based on the reviews on resellerratings.
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Well the problem is that with an engineering sample you throw any kinda warranty/gurantees out the window. It's also unethical to do so.
What the vendor should have done was setup a system where that if you want a engineering sample you should be able to mention it during your checkout.
but lets be real here....ethics huh....LOL....everybody here buying them is buying them with intentions on overclocking the gills out of them, which automatically voids the warranty anyways, if we are going to be so upright as to call them out for selling a ES chip without notice, we should be equally as willing to admit we are going to void the warranty when we get them anyways.....so it's a moot point.....who the heck here gives a crap about a CPU warranty anyways....as long as the retailer will exchange it if it comes DOA, that's good enough, if you're honest with yourself (and i mean anyone here thinking along the lines you described above, not you personally necessarily)
Bottom line how are the ES samples overclocking?? and do they allow for a higher multiplier than 9 on e6600 or is it just to the downside?
Depends what stepping you get. The A steppings I believe were unlocked. However, there may be other issues with those, obviously. The B1 stepping (B2 is release) (and I'd assume B0 is the same) don't have an unlocked multiplier. My e6400 only has 6-8 selectable. Either it's locked or my board sees that it's e6400 and only allows 6-8. I'm guessing the former.
edit: I believe the A steppings didn't overclock as well, but there's still a lot of variety. A lot of them still do decently. Personally, my week 17 B1 e6400 does 8x450=3600 @ 1.44v. not too bad. Haven't tried higher, but considering the way c2d's scale, I'd imagine with 1.5-55v I'd see 3.7-3.8
which is why the guys that got the CPU's from them should never have contacted Intel, if they were not happy about getting an ES CPU they should have RMA'd to Stallion and let them correct their own mistakes, me personally, as long as the thing worked correctly, i'd have kept my mouth shut, maybe even sold it and replace it with a retail chip...but contacting Intel would have been the very last thing I would have ever done
do you not think intel could get a court order to force this company to hand over their customer info on who they have sold processors to?
So what. Did you ever think that this is an Intel clearing house for their engineering samples. It is not unusual for a company to sell off stock of Engineering Samples to the public however they want. And just because something is stampped CONFIDENTIAL does not make it so. That is just company control measures.
This guy has 19 (18 now) left in stock. I used my CC and if the sale is bad, I get my money back from my CC company. Intel won't want the chip back. This is stuff that the were thinking/testing in 05/06 and they have moved on to bigger and better things.
This guy has 19 (18 now) left in stock. I used my CC and if the sale is bad, I get my money back from my CC company. Intel won't want the chip back. This is stuff that the were thinking/testing in 05/06 and they have moved on to bigger and better things.
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do you not think intel could get a court order to force this company to hand over their customer info on who they have sold processors to?
why would they do so unless someone tipped them off?
So what. Did you ever think that this is an Intel clearing house for their engineering samples. It is not unusual for a company to sell off stock of Engineering Samples to the public however they want. And just because something is stampped CONFIDENTIAL does not make it so. That is just company control measures.
This guy has 19 (18 now) left in stock. I used my CC and if the sale is bad, I get my money back from my CC company. Intel won't want the chip back. This is stuff that the were thinking/testing in 05/06 and they have moved on to bigger and better things.
Well Nightmare... I hope you don't get the chip I had that was put back into stock...