I have 10850K. Get Z490 or wait for Z590 Motherboard

edo101

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Hi 10 years removed from building PCs. Got a deal $240 deal on a 10850K. I am eager to finally upgrade from my i7-930 but someone recommended I wait for alleged Jan 11 launch of Z590 for future proofing. I truly don't know what to do now. I was set on the Z490 ROG Strix https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-z490-e-gaming/p/N82E16813119268 (which apprently doesn't support PCI-E 4)
or the Taichi Z490: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157922

I also looked into the MSI Unify: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E168131...i_unify-_-13-144-299-_-Product&quicklink=true
but hated the fact it had no iGPU outputs on board

Now I game at 4K and have a 1080 Ti. My plan was to get a 2080 Ti (3D Vision games) and later on a 3090 (2D games0. I also might get a cheaper NVME SSD for my OS. I doubt it'll nbe PCI-E 4 becaue i typically go for real world performance not benchmarks.

What should I do? I also hear Rocket Lake is limited to 8 cores? I really don't see myself downgrading core count just for better IPC. Unless Intel gets desperate and release a 10 Core Rocket Lake CPU. So I am mulling over what future proofing I'd need out of the Z590.
I don't upgrade frequently though I do suspect I'll do one in 5 years and not 10 like the i7-930.
 

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5 years from now it won’t matter. We don’t have a firm release date yet on Z590, and currently you’re not going to notice a difference with PCIE3 vs 4 unless you’re running high end storage workloads or disk benchmarks. I’d go ahead and get a 490 board.
 

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Some of the gigabyte z490 boards kind of support pci-e 4. you will need rocketlake for pcie 4 support, your 10850k won’t support pcie 4 on a z590.

if you’re concerned about pcie 4 and may upgrade to rocketlake I’d find a z490 board that mentions pci 4
 

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I mean if you're not in a super big hurry, 5XX boards are coming in January.
 

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totally agree with ya kirbyrj, but then might as well get full rocket lake cpu/mobo for pcie 4 support.

I think he already has the CPU as he has mentioned in one of this 15 threads telling everyone he got it for $240. But the motherboards are theoretically coming out a full 2 months before the RKL CPUs.

It sounds like he isn't a big believer in PCIe 4.0 (and he's right at some level about the lack of difference for a home user), and already has a PCIe 3.0 CPU, so even if he doesn't buy a 5XX board, he might find a lower price on a 4XX board when the new ones release. I'd probably get a 5XX board anyway as he might fall into a RKL CPU later like he did with the $240 10850k.

Even a midrange Z490 board should get a CML CPU to it's max OC.
 

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I think Rocket Lake would be a v. small upgrade from a 10850K in most cases given what little is known about RL performance.

and who knows how hard Intel's new chipset launch will be, maybe just get a Z490 board now and you'll be set for awhile.

the bigger perf. upgrade will be Alder Lake, which will require a new socket and new DDR5 memory anyways.
 

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I think Rocket Lake would be a v. small upgrade from a 10850K in most cases given what little is known about RL performance.

and who knows how hard Intel's new chipset launch will be, maybe just get a Z490 board now and you'll be set for awhile.

the bigger perf. upgrade will be Alder Lake, which will require a new socket and new DDR5 memory anyways.
You hit my key point. January is a rumor, and we’re even assuming that it’s not a paper launch. Who knows when you can even buy one.
 

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Only Rocket Lake can use PCIE 4.0, so the board matters not for Commet Lake. Even then 4.0 on z490 does exist.

There's no reason NOT to get the 490 really. Both z490 and z590 are EOL platforms at launch. Your next "upgrade" is going to probably be PCIE 5.0 DDR5 and everything you have now will be obsolete. I migrated all my existing stuff from a z270 to a z490 with that same CPU as I didn't have an 4.0 SSDs or GPUs and my waterblocks were all intel socket. Haven't looked back.
 

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I think he already has the CPU as he has mentioned in one of this 15 threads telling everyone he got it for $240. But the motherboards are theoretically coming out a full 2 months before the RKL CPUs.

It sounds like he isn't a big believer in PCIe 4.0 (and he's right at some level about the lack of difference for a home user), and already has a PCIe 3.0 CPU, so even if he doesn't buy a 5XX board, he might find a lower price on a 4XX board when the new ones release. I'd probably get a 5XX board anyway as he might fall into a RKL CPU later like he did with the $240 10850k.

Even a midrange Z490 board should get a CML CPU to it's max OC.
Only Rocket Lake can use PCIE 4.0, so the board matters not for Commet Lake. Even then 4.0 on z490 does exist.

There's no reason NOT to get the 490 really. Both z490 and z590 are EOL platforms at launch. Your next "upgrade" is going to probably be PCIE 5.0 DDR5 and everything you have now will be obsolete. I migrated all my existing stuff from a z270 to a z490 with that same CPU as I didn't have an 4.0 SSDs or GPUs and my waterblocks were all intel socket. Haven't looked back.
I heard they were supposed to release Jan 11. I suppose its only 2 more weeks? I don't wanna wait any longer lol. And yeah Ive had that 10850K since Dec 24 now. actually thought I woulda sorted and built it by middle of this week but still delibrating on which cooler to get to help my get 5.0Ghz all core if possible and of course the Z590 or Z490 debate. I hear some Z490s do have PCI-E 4. not sure which. I also know I am not going to downgrade from 10 to 8 cores assuming Intel stays true and won't release an 11950K that has 10 cores SOAREVERSOR kirbyrj Odifer
 

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That release date is for the motherboards and is a rumor; release can mean an announcement, availability, or just pictures- we don’t know what’s going to actually happen on the 11th, and even if it’s a release, we don’t know what it will be like to try and get one. Right now, you can get z490 boards. When will you be able to actually easily buy a 590? No idea.
 

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Get a Z490 board now. Where you should wait is on the GPU. Unsure how much you're going to pay for your 2080ti but hopefully it won't be retail. Buy a 3000 series or 4000 series (if you can wait that long).
 

edo101

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Get a Z490 board now. Where you should wait is on the GPU. Unsure how much you're going to pay for your 2080ti but hopefully it won't be retail. Buy a 3000 series or 4000 series (if you can wait that long).
I need to get a 2080 Ti at some point in 2021 for 3D Vision and a 3090 later
 

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Gigabyte's Z490 lineup have PCIe 4.0
I went ahead and got the Asrock Taichi Z490. it has PCIe 4.0 from what I can tell. The Gigabyte reviews were all over the place. Especially on newegg. Didn't wanna risk it lol.
 

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I went ahead and got the Asrock Taichi Z490. it has PCIe 4.0 from what I can tell. The Gigabyte reviews were all over the place. Especially on newegg. Didn't wanna risk it lol.
Looks like a very good choice from the specs and yes it is ready for pcie 4 from their claims.
 

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Gigabyte's Z490 lineup have PCIe 4.0

Doesn't matter for a 10850k, it's 3.0. The PCIE issue is on the CPU, not the mobo. Technically virtually all z490s are 4.0 compliant if you slap a gen 11 Core into it.

The issue is that he has a 10core CPU, and Rocket Lake maxes out at 8 cores so it would be a downgrade regardless of the meager IPC gains.

It's an EOL platform. Next big thing is alderlake with ddr5, pcie 5.0 and blah blah blah.
 

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Doesn't matter for a 10850k, it's 3.0. The PCIE issue is on the CPU, not the mobo. Technically virtually all z490s are 4.0 compliant if you slap a gen 11 Core into it.

The issue is that he has a 10core CPU, and Rocket Lake maxes out at 8 cores so it would be a downgrade regardless of the meager IPC gains.

It's an EOL platform. Next big thing is alderlake with ddr5, pcie 5.0 and blah blah blah.

Not necessarily. If the IPC uplift is big enough, 8C/16T will actually be faster in ST and MT than a slower 10C/20T CPU.
 

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Its going to take about 6 months for user reviews to come out. I just built a 10850k yesterday with a z490 Asus Tuf just because it was the only Asus board that didn't have Lan port issues.
 

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Its going to take about 6 months for user reviews to come out. I just built a 10850k yesterday with a z490 Asus Tuf just because it was the only Asus board that didn't have Lan port issues.
Which LAN port issues?
 

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Its going to take about 6 months for user reviews to come out. I just built a 10850k yesterday with a z490 Asus Tuf just because it was the only Asus board that didn't have Lan port issues.

Must be because it's still "only" a GbE vs the 2.5G LAN. I have a Strix Z490-G and I never had any issues with the LAN port. They just did a firmware update for it also independent of the regular driver update.
 

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Yeah I noticed it wasn't a 2.5 Lan on the Asus TUF board I looked at the reviews on Amazon and didn't see any bad reviews with ethernet or lan port issues on the wifi version of the board. So I wonder with the Z590 boards have fixed the issue there isn't any problems with MSI or ASROCK board which I almost considered getting but wanted a Asus since my last board a ASROCK Taichi Z370 which was ok but with the reviews of the Veolicita on Gamerz Nexus had me worried.
 
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Buy a 6 core x5675 for $22 on ebay and overclock it abit. Wait till jan or the next generation of chips.
 
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