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I hate Linux

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jebo_4jc

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Seriously, it's terrible.

Nothing works out of the box. Anytime I want to do anything I have to open up the terminal and type in a bunch of non-logical garbage. What is this? 1993? 99% of the world uses operating systems with GUIs for a reason.

VMWare isn't working right. I installed it, but it breaks as soon as I open it.

If the 6903's don't come back soon, this trouble might not be worth it.
 
use virtual box


which distro? if your using muskys guide the reason for the terminal use is to get it highly customized....stock ubuntu just works in my experience
 
Just because you can't use it doesn't mean its terrible.

What are you trying to do?
 
If you want to teabag your way into HPC you're going to use command line stuff. That's not just limited to Linux.

Windows has Powershell, cmd.exe, etc

Man up.
 
jebo_4jc said:
Seriously, it's terrible.

Nothing works out of the box. Anytime I want to do anything I have to open up the terminal and type in a bunch of non-logical garbage. What is this? 1993? 99% of the world uses operating systems with GUIs for a reason.

VMWare isn't working right. I installed it, but it breaks as soon as I open it.

If the 6903's don't come back soon, this trouble might not be worth it.
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just because you don't understand what we tell you to type... does not mean its not logical...
:p

While 98-99% of anything in linux can be done through gui... its still simpler for those of us who know how.... to just use the terminal... linux is about speed, stability and efficiency ... gui doesn't always fit that...

come on irc and I also have a TS3 server if you need extended help...
 
Why the Linux fanboys here are going to support it, I tend to agree with you jebo. I would not mess with it at all if it didn't fold better than Windows. That being said, it is not that bad to work with, especially Ubuntu (which is why I chose it for my guide.) I guess it is all about the amount of patience you have and the willingness or unwillingness to learn something new.
 
I feel your pain Jebo.

Those who reside in IRC know what I speak of :p
 
musky said:
Why the Linux fanboys here are going to support it, I tend to agree with you jebo. I would not mess with it at all if it didn't fold better than Windows. That being said, it is not that bad to work with, especially Ubuntu (which is why I chose it for my guide.) I guess it is all about the amount of patience you have and the willingness or unwillingness to learn something new.
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yeah that's the issue, I don't have the time to dedicate hours on end to learning a non-intuitive set of command line instructions just to complete relatively simple tasks like installing VMWare or using VNC.

I'm sure it's stable, and powerful, and etc, but it certainly isn't intuitive or user friendly.
 
jebo_4jc said:
yeah that's the issue, I don't have the time to dedicate hours on end to learning a non-intuitive set of command line instructions just to complete relatively simple tasks like installing VMWare or using VNC.

I'm sure it's stable, and powerful, and etc, but it certainly isn't intuitive or user friendly.
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Honestly Patriot said it best almost everything can be done with a GUI, but for most of us we don't even have a gui installed on some of our systems. I have to use cmd.exe probably 10-20 times a day for different tasks in windows so it isn't just linux this is limited to. Certain tasks are just easier done with a few simple commands, or it is just the way most of us know of the top of our heads.

Now bet you can't guess how many times I have typed yum on ubuntu or sudo apt-get in redhat. lol
 
jebo_4jc said:
yeah that's the issue, I don't have the time to dedicate hours on end to learning a non-intuitive set of command line instructions just to complete relatively simple tasks like installing VMWare or using VNC.

I'm sure it's stable, and powerful, and etc, but it certainly isn't intuitive or user friendly.
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you can use the software center to install Virtual Box......no command line needed ;) Once you learn what most of the commands mean, it actually is very intutitve to use the terminal, took me a while to figure out what some of em mean, still learning, but it is fun to learn this stuff
 
VNC is usually installed by the vast majority of the distros. Check administraton-> remote desktop. If it is not there you can use the ubuntu software center/manager or synaptic package manager to get it.
 
yeah the ability was built in, but there was some issue that required yet another command line instruction that was preventing the remote viewer window from refreshing. My clicks were recognized but the remote window stayed the same.

I fixed it, but I chalked it up to yet another user-unfriendly "feature" of ubuntu.
 
must resist the urge to troll..

:p
 
what exactly isnt working? And what is breaking on vmware?

if you and Patriot need any help troubleshooting or getting things fixed leme know.

you shouldn't be having so much trouble with your installs and operations
 
thanks for the help mtnduey

Based on advice from other Linux wizards I aborted VMWare and have been pursuing VirtualBox. However, VB isn't working either.

I'm trying to make a new Windows 2k3 32bit (WHS) VM from an ISO.

When I try to start the new VM for the first time, VB says the virtual machine has "terminated unexpectedly during startup because of signal 9"

I found this but I don't know what a "mainline build" means.

I'm also not really sure what kernal version I'm using. I just installed Ubuntu 11.04 (I think, lol).

If I click "OK" on that error popup, though, and try to start the VM again, I get a "spawning session 1/2" window that appears to hang at 0% forever.

My goal here is to get a Windows VM running on top of linux so that I have to touch linux as little as possible.
 
Do you already have the VM built? If not, that might be easier, then just copy it to the Ubuntu box. I would still use VMWare over VirtualBox, but that is mainly because I don't know much about VirtualBox.
 
I have existing VMWare VMs that I tried to use. But VMWare was tough to get going.

I'm trying to build a new virtual box VM at this point.
 
Admittedly, I haven't done this since Ubuntu version 9.04 and a WinXP VM, but it worked pretty well. I would try it to see, but I don't have a GUI installed on any of my boxen at the moment.
 
VMWare Player at this point results in a blank black window if I try to load a new or existing VM
 
oh geez. I'm trying to uninstall VMWare now and the graphical uninstaller is stuck on "Deconfiguring"
 
When trying to create a new VM with VMWare player it throws an error that says "The virtual machine is busy."
 
jebo_4jc said:
oh geez. I'm trying to uninstall VMWare now and the graphical uninstaller is stuck on "Deconfiguring"
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I feel your pain man, I actually booted up Tobit's pre-configured gentoo install for the SR-2 before I went through the process of installing ubuntu on the Dowrecka.

Power on, POST, linux booting..., blinking curser at CLI prompt... OMGWTFISTHIS?! Haitch, Patriot and Musky talked me through the steps over irc (in between what I'm sure were frequent facepalms) to get fah up and running. After that experience, setting up Ubuntu with the luxury of the GUI was wonderful. I still have to return to the SR-2 and figure out how I can SSH into it...I'm letting the patience of my cli consultants build back up before tackling that.

I'm very interested in what you come to for resolution on the VM. I'm planning on running linux on the HTPC for XMBC but may need a windows vm for bluray.
 
Its installed already per Tobit, I think i just have to configure it and connect. It doesn't help that I'm both an SSH and Linux noob...

What I do know however is that apt-get doesn't do anything for me on that gentoo (or is it castille?) install.... tried that already. :p
 
Shouldn't really be anything to configure. Just grab an ssh client (I like putty) and connect. Not played with gentoo at all - so consider me the newb on that ;)

H.
 
nice.....doing nothing in particular, I get a new error window. now WTF is this?

Code: 
Unable to mount Boot
 
dbus error org.freedesktop.dbus.error.noreply did not receive a reply. 
possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, 
the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, 
or the network connection was broken.
 
Double post thanks to "database errors". meh
 
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Haitch said:
Shouldn't really be anything to configure. Just grab an ssh client (I like putty) and connect.
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Exactly, slap putty on your Windows box and connect to the Gentoo box. You shouldn't have to configure anything. I used putty every day to login that box you now have, you shouldn't have to do anything.

Install putty
login to gentoo box
run screen
start fah
press Ctrl-A-D to detach from screen
exit

FAH will stay running in the background thanks to screen.
 
Tobit said:
Install putty
login to gentoo box
run screen
start fah
press Ctrl-A-D to detach from screen
exit

FAH will stay running in the background thanks to screen.
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Of course "app-misc/screen" needs to be installed in first space :)

"screen -d -m ./fah6" would automatically spawn it in daemon mode - that's what i use. You could also put it in /etc/conf.d/local.start so it gets loaded on every boot up.

PS: "screen -r" to attach to it - Ctrl+A+D to get out of it like mentioned above.
 
Let me know if you need help, I'll help you with anything...

It might be hard to install it, but it is easy to maintain it.
PM/IRC me with questions
 
Problem is don't try and install and run any virtualization software AFTER you have optimised your box for bigadv folding as per the guide. Particularly, I think when you install the BFS kernel, its not compatible with VMWare of VirtualBox.

All I know is that if I tried to configure Ubuntu as per the guide, and then install VMWare or VirtualBox I got errors galore, but when I installed VirtualBox straight after the initial install and update of Ubuntu then I got it working and could transfer my VMware clients that were running on windows to the new setup on Ubuntu.

Only problem I have still to resolve is trying to get iscsi working
 
after you get vmware or virtualbox installed, can you THEN install the BFS kernel?
 
jebo_4jc said:
after you get vmware or virtualbox installed, can you THEN install the BFS kernel?
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evidently not... there may be some bfs work around...
so vmware doesn't like the bfs scheduler huh....
 
It hurt my amd setup... and I don't use it on any others...
It helps a good bit...if your system doesn't keep the cores maxed... mine did so..
 
Not just vmware, virtualbox as well.

I'm going to do the folding install part now I've got my virtualbox images up and running, skip the BFS kernel part and see if the rest works.

If I had some instruction on how to roll back from the bfs kernel to the one thats working with VirtualBox right now then I'd be more confident giving it a try. For now I'm hoping I can max out my cores with just TheKraken :)
 
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