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I Hate Ibm So Much!!!!!

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computerpro3

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Well,
My 3rd fucking hard drive died from IBM. Only reason I kept using IBM is because cash is tight (they were free) and all money I had was going towards watercooling. I just can't believe this.....my new 3.0C comes in today, I'm sitting at 4ghz stable...thats right FOUR GIGAHERTZ ON AIR....I got screenies on my fucking pile of metal that used to be the hard drive...so I go to load 3dmark....SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH.......SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH.....I've heard that sound too many times before. I just can't believe it. Now I can't get watercooling tomorrow.

A warning to anybody considering buying IBM or Hitachi or whatever the hell they've become....DON'T. They are ticking time bombs. Time for a raptor methinks. Worst possible timing....4.0ghz, watercooling done tomorrow...arrrrggggghhhhhh


SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH......
SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH......
SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH......
SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH......
SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH......
SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH......

I will hear that sound in my nightmares
 
nope:D

I saw a post on xtremesystems.org about a new stepping 3.0c that does 3.8ghz stock volts/stock cooler and one guy said he got one from excaliberpc.....

five minutes later I had ordered one. It comes in today and it is the wonder stepping...sl6wu. They are virtually guaranteed 3.8ghz stock volts. I have a thermalright sp-94 and 1.725v for 4ghz. 3.8 is stock volts.
 
Stop by you can have it untill you get a new one
 
Originally posted by computerpro3


A warning to anybody considering buying IBM or Hitachi or whatever the hell they've become....DON'T. They are ticking time bombs.
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Trust me, we all know this.
 
My brother was using an ibm hdd a few years back and it died on him as well. It was only used for a few months too. He has a seagate now and there's no problems at all.
 
Originally posted by computerpro3
Well,
My 3rd fucking hard drive died from IBM.

A warning to anybody considering buying IBM or Hitachi or whatever the hell they've become....DON'T. They are ticking time bombs.

I will hear that sound in my nightmares
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The man has a point. One of my 7k250's lasted 1 min before the click of death.

So far so good on the replacements. I am howerver holding my breath.
 
To add insult to injury, IBM tends to send you back refurbed HD's back to you when you get them replaced through your warranty.
 
well, websphere studio is pretty rad.

but i had an ibm deathstar that *surprise* died on my ass too, IBM sent me a refurb, I dont even use it anymore.
 
Originally posted by MooCow
To add insult to injury, IBM tends to send you back refurbed HD's back to you when you get them replaced through your warranty.
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And so does Western Digital, Maxtor, and Fujitsu...... I've RMAed drives to all the Manf. for customers and not once get a brand new drive, only refurbs.............
 
I don't like anything IBM makes.

We have a few IBM servers at work. Paid $40k each and the damn buttons fall off and break. Seriously. You'd think that for 40 grand they could put some metal buttons instead of shitty plastic ones, nope. We added more memory to them, and shitty plastic clips broke while we were at it.

And if this is the quality that goes in to the "High End" stuff, if you are buying something for $100 you better grab your ankles...

Their software is crap. One of our bussiness units bought a software product that required Domino web server. That's the shittiest web server I've ever seen. It's worse than PWS with Win98. At least PWS was easy to use.

These are a few of the many reasons why I give IBM the finger!
 
My friend just got a 160gig Hitachi SATA drive... I thought they had improved... Should I warn him? :)

I'm enjoying WD myself. Have had great luck with them for years.

I hear bad things about some of IBM's "High End" workstations as well, but they make such nice laptops. Weird.
 
You guys do know that IBM no longer makes hard drives? So it's like, "I hate Conner/Quantum/Teac so much!!! Their hard drives suck!" :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by xonik
You guys do know that IBM no longer makes hard drives? So it's like, "I hate Conner/Quantum/Teac so much!!! Their hard drives suck!" :rolleyes:
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They're Hitachi's now. Still using the glass platters.

And knock on wood, but my file server at home has been running a 40 gig Deathstar since the day they came out, and it's working fine.

Don't have any important data on it, though, but I do move a lot of data through it...
 
I also believe IBM and or Hitachi have new firmware around for the deathstars which parks the head properly.

Have a hunt around... i think i even saw it posted on [H]'s main page once. ?
 
My only real experience with IBM/Hitachi HDD's is with their laptops. Safe to say they're trash.

In a 2 year period ive replaced 16 Thinkpad "TravelStars" at work. They are just terrible, terrible drives.
 
I bought an IBM Deskstar 45Gb HDD abt 2 years ago...damn thing would screech too!....fu*ked up so badly I had to reformat. Im gonna replace it soon.
 
Originally posted by emorphien
My friend just got a 160gig Hitachi SATA drive... I thought they had improved... Should I warn him? :)

I'm enjoying WD myself. Have had great luck with them for years.

I hear bad things about some of IBM's "High End" workstations as well, but they make such nice laptops. Weird.
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Well I read good things about the 7k250's so I decided to give their SATA version a try and like I posted I literaly had the thing 1 min and it died.I must say that the replacements I recieved have performed excellent.

They are very quiet, high performance and affordable. I just hope they last me untill I am ready for a couple of 74 Gig Raptors
 
Originally posted by jacuzz1
Well I read good things about the 7k250's so I decided to give their SATA version a try and like I posted I literaly had the thing 1 min and it died.I must say that the replacements I recieved have performed excellent.
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That pretty much guaranteed that the drive was mishandled during packing, shipping, or installation into your computer. Glad to hear that your new drives work okay though.
 
Originally posted by xonik
You guys do know that IBM no longer makes hard drives? So it's like, "I hate Conner/Quantum/Teac so much!!! Their hard drives suck!" :rolleyes:
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Quantum was bought by Maxtor.

Connor was bought by Seagate

Teac appears to still be on its own.

IBM sold out to Hitachi.

Just wondering tho, if you Pentium guys overclock, does the PCI stay at 33mhz, or does it go up with the FSB? If so, I remember back in the day, hard drives and controllers were one of the weak links in FSB overclocking. Always seemed to have to drop from DMA33 to PIO4 to get reliable performance. Maybe the extra stress helped kill your free deathstar. Just a thought.
 
As far as IBM laptops go, I agree they are trash. They are overpriced junk. That's another thing that annoyes me about IBM, you pay a premium for 3 letters.

I really like Dell stuff. All new workstations and laptops we purchase at work are Dell. In over a year, I've had 1 (count em) problem. A HD went out in a workstation. Dell overnighted me another no questions asked.

As far as servers go, we now buy the Compaq/HP Proliant servers. 2000% better quality than any cappy IBM.
 
Haha, you're about two years behind. I've had 2 deathstars die on me. The refurbs they sent me are only used as storage for things I could do without.
 
Originally posted by MorfiusX
As far as IBM laptops go, I agree they are trash. They are overpriced junk. That's another thing that annoyes me about IBM, you pay a premium for 3 letters.

I really like Dell stuff. All new workstations and laptops we purchase at work are Dell. In over a year, I've had 1 (count em) problem. A HD went out in a workstation. Dell overnighted me another no questions asked.

As far as servers go, we now buy the Compaq/HP Proliant servers. 2000% better quality than any cappy IBM.
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First problem I had with my Dell laptop was a dead hard drive. It turned out to be an IBM drive.

All in all though, in a heavy use environment you won't find people dissing IBM laptops like that though. Their hard drives sucked (I hope they're better with Hitachi, that's waht Dell sent me a year ago to replace the dead IBM), but their laptops are solid, well built and reliable. Aside from the drives... which is a pain. It's trick.
 
Originally posted by SJConsultant
And so does Western Digital, Maxtor, and Fujitsu...... I've RMAed drives to all the Manf. for customers and not once get a brand new drive, only refurbs.............
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Though, you didn't mention Seagate, and when I RMA'd my drives back to Seagate, they gave me what appeared to be brand new drives, no "serviceable used part" sticker on it. I'm still using them, and they've given me no problems so far!
 
Had 2 deathstars that went out on me. That is why I just get WD and Maxtor. Some of mine old ones are still working great.
 
I am contracted out to an IBM house so I had to get IBM certified, and it was even on the exams, a used part WILL ALWAYS be replaced with a refurb.

we have about 1-2 laptops per week that die with bad HDs and the desktops just burn themselves up due to no cooling. nice engineering IBM sheesh.

I will tell you that When I worked for a large Web Hosting provider we had 32 Sun E250s we used for virtual hosting. After more than a year of uptime we had to power down for a power grid change over. roughly half of the Suns ran on IBM drives, the other half were on Fuji.

After the shutdown 95% of the IBMs readwrite heads welded them selves to the platters, ...and did this happen to the Fujis.....nope. and IBM has the gall to tell us they're not liable for the failure. IBM sucks balls, bottom line.
 
-IBM had a bad line, the 75GXP. (Generally they, now HGST, do great drives, hell they pioneered GMR technologhy.) They are even being sued over it - link . Of course the beneficiaries in that lawsuit will be the attorneys and the cost will be passed onto us.

-Heat & Handling; Want a HD to perform how it was intended to for as long as possible? That's what you pay attention to, heat & handling.
Before you even use it a drive needs to be handled right. Essentially that means shipped in a proper container. Newegg does NOT do this. I've gotten boxes full of peanuts with a drive in silver bag sitting on the bottom of the box. That drive was and still is noisy and I'm not confident in future reliability. Definitely not worth the $10 I saved. Hyper Micro knows drives and absolutely packs them right. Which must be why StorageReview.com keeps recommending them. Order one and you'll see. Xonik is right on about this.
Heat will also reduce the life of a drive. Keep some moving air on it.

A free drive in a overclocked system has likely seen both those drive killers.

-I've found the HGST 5k80 and 7k60 to be fantastic mobile drives.


Dell over IBM. Ha. New to IT? On little x86 systems Dell beats IBM on price. And they should. They're the Wal-Mart of the PC world. Their focus is on price. But upfront pricing is never the only cost unless you're just not a big picture person. On larger systems they can't compete. See IBM does this little thing called R&D. Dell does a little bit of that little thing. Support wise there is no contest. IBM has qualified systems for over 2 years before releasing them.
 
I got my hitachis from Zip Zoom fly and they were packaged in thickfoam containers. I know how to handle drives. I cetainly have handled enough in my day. The Hitachis are excellent. I just find it funny that right out of the container bang dead.

Of course it was not funny at the time. :D

I have been in the cellular business for near 16 years as well and there is not a cell phone model from any manufacturer that I have not seen at least one doa.

I assume thats the case with Hard drives.
 
Sounds like it was dropkicked during packaging.

Both my WD 120gig SATA drives are running smooth, and idle only a couple degrees above ambient (both are behind the topmost of my front intake fans on my Antec 1080).
 
Dell over IBM. Ha. New to IT? On little x86 systems Dell beats IBM on price. And they should. They're the Wal-Mart of the PC world. Their focus is on price. But upfront pricing is never the only cost unless you're just not a big picture person. On larger systems they can't compete. See IBM does this little thing called R&D. Dell does a little bit of that little thing. Support wise there is no contest. IBM has qualified systems for over 2 years before releasing them.
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So did you take that from their website? It's called working for a Japanese company. (no offense) It's was hard to get a new chair when mine broke, let alone new PCs. No, not new to IT. We still have 200-300mhz PCs in use. It's really pathetic. And what admin doesn't understand is that it costs us more to support the old POS machines than it does to replace them.

So when it comes down to it, yes Dell is the Wal-Mart of PCs. But, for the cost the quality is just as good as anything else, support is top notch, and I don't get reemed for spending to much.
 
Originally posted by addragyn
-IBM had a bad line, the 75GXP. (Generally they, now HGST, do great drives, hell they pioneered GMR technologhy.) They are even being sued over it - link . Of course the beneficiaries in that lawsuit will be the attorneys and the cost will be passed onto us.

-Heat & Handling; Want a HD to perform how it was intended to for as long as possible? That's what you pay attention to, heat & handling.
Before you even use it a drive needs to be handled right. Essentially that means shipped in a proper container. Newegg does NOT do this. I've gotten boxes full of peanuts with a drive in silver bag sitting on the bottom of the box. That drive was and still is noisy and I'm not confident in future reliability. Definitely not worth the $10 I saved. Hyper Micro knows drives and absolutely packs them right. Which must be why StorageReview.com keeps recommending them. Order one and you'll see. Xonik is right on about this.
Heat will also reduce the life of a drive. Keep some moving air on it.

A free drive in a overclocked system has likely seen both those drive killers.

-I've found the HGST 5k80 and 7k60 to be fantastic mobile drives.


Dell over IBM. Ha. New to IT? On little x86 systems Dell beats IBM on price. And they should. They're the Wal-Mart of the PC world. Their focus is on price. But upfront pricing is never the only cost unless you're just not a big picture person. On larger systems they can't compete. See IBM does this little thing called R&D. Dell does a little bit of that little thing. Support wise there is no contest. IBM has qualified systems for over 2 years before releasing them.
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Just to let you know,
the drive in my overclocked system that died had NOT seen any heat...it was behind 2 37cfm fans and my case temp NEVER goes more than 3 degrees over ambient (I modded my case for perfect airflow with intake and outtake fans).

And let me explain why I get them for free. The drive is brand new, first. My father's company, Insite One, stores filmless images digitally on archives for medical facilities. Now, they are the industry leader, crushing even GE in that specific industry (like 75% marketshare to 15%). Before they were well known though, they looked into IDE raid. After running some tests, they confirmed their gut feeling that IDE was way to unreliable. AS a result they have boxes of 80-200GB IBM Deskstars laying around. Now they use strictly 15k SCSI. So I can just get IBM drives for pretty much nothing. So the drive has never seen heat or abuse unless it was in shipping. It died because it is an IBM Deathstar.

BTW I tried reformatting and windows installed relalllly slowly, and some things don't work in windows like I don't have internet explorer installed (wtf?) and no toolbar like quicklaunch will appear, SiSoft Sandra has issues loading its database, corrupted files, random SCREECHes, etc....

Jacuzz, thanks a ton for the 10GB filler drive, it will be my primary drive for now:D
 
Had an IBM Deathstar 14gb drive, and it started clicking and making horrible sounds intermittently about a month after I got it. Never died though.
Had a Seagate Barracuda IV die on me after about 9 months though.
I think WD's are the best also, do they make a totally silent model like Seagate?
 
Originally posted by MooCow
Though, you didn't mention Seagate, and when I RMA'd my drives back to Seagate, they gave me what appeared to be brand new drives, no "serviceable used part" sticker on it. I'm still using them, and they've given me no problems so far!
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I didn't mention them because I didnt think of their name at the moment I typed it, but they have also sent refurbs as well........
 
I've had 2 segates die on me in a week. And I had a hatachi drive (might have been a desk star) die on a system I built for my aunt. They (hatachi) were real nice about it and sent me a new one promptly.
 
I still have a WD 8GB drive that has been serving me for over 5 years.

I had a fujitsu 20GB that was ok, until December. Than it just started a downward spiral. I finally gave up, and replaced it with a WD 80GB SE drive. This thing rocks!

I also noticed no smack talking about WD, I wonder why! ;)

Cheers,
 
shit, shit, i got a freakin ibm hd in my laptop, its been running for 3 years, thats cuz i barely use my laptop. and im a newb when it comes to upgrading laptops.:mad: :mad: :( :mad:
 
Originally posted by Eigtball
I still have a WD 8GB drive that has been serving me for over 5 years.

I had a fujitsu 20GB that was ok, until December. Than it just started a downward spiral. I finally gave up, and replaced it with a WD 80GB SE drive. This thing rocks!

I also noticed no smack talking about WD, I wonder why! ;)

Cheers,
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*Looks at 2 120Gb and 2 80Gb WD drives*
Well, they've been good to me :D
(Though the two 120Gbs could have been quieter.)
 
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