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LawGiver said:none of the 7800 Series cards have 24 "real" pipes just in case anyone is confused. They have 24 "pixel shaders" (just as X1900 cards have 48) and the 7800/7900 cards are all 16 "pipe" cards in the traditional use of the term. In fact, the 7800 GTX has the same pixel "fill rate" as the 6800 Ultra. Why? Because both have 16 ROPs. The GTX however has 10.32G/sec "texture fill rate", as opposed to 6.8G/sec on the 6800 Ultra because of the 8 extra pixel shaders (6800 U has 16 pixel shaders).
LawGiver said:omg, you realy are a noobie, lol. Shaders kid, shaders. Again, ur card does not have usable 24 pixel pipes, it has 24 pixel shaders. And 16 "real pipelines", usable that is. And please dont post like an advertisement.
LawGiver said:none of the 7800 Series cards have 24 "real" pipes just in case anyone is confused. They have 24 "pixel shaders" (just as X1900 cards have 48) and the 7800/7900 cards are all 16 "pipe" cards in the traditional use of the term. In fact, the 7800 GTX has the same pixel "fill rate" as the 6800 Ultra. Why? Because both have 16 ROPs. The GTX however has 10.32G/sec "texture fill rate", as opposed to 6.8G/sec on the 6800 Ultra because of the 8 extra pixel shaders (6800 U has 16 pixel shaders).
LawGiver said:This might help ya, if it dosnt than nothing will...
"These cards are a bit special
- Gainward BLISS 7800 GS SILENT 512MB (425/1200) (AGP)
- 20 pixel shader units 20 TMUs 16 ROPs - 7 vertex shader units
This is essentially a 7800 GT disguised as a 7800 GS. A 7800 GTX (reference frequencies) is about 15 % faster.
- Gainward BLISS 7800 GS+ SILENT 512MB (450/1250) (AGP)
- 24 pixel shader units 24 TMUs 16 ROPs - 8 vertex shader units
This is essentially a 7900 GT disguised as a 7800 GS. Because of the slower memory frequency it's marginally slower."
Click Here:
http://www.futuremark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164
LawGiver said:One last time...It is NOT a 20 Pipe card. Sorry, live with it. This would be like calling a X1900 XT a 48 pipe card. The x1900 XT has 48 Pixel shaders, the 7800 GS has 20 Pixel shaders. You can keep living in lala land. I think you are a little behind the times, things are not like they used to be. oh and I think you're kinda blind cause what I posted was exactly about the cards we are talking about, get a clue. You're like a child that doesnt wanna face reality.
LawGiver said:One last time...It is NOT a 20 Pipe card. Sorry, live with it. This would be like calling a X1900 XT a 48 pipe card. The x1900 XT has 48 Pixel shaders, the 7800 GS has 20 Pixel shaders. You can keep living in lala land. I think you are a little behind the times, things are not like they used to be. oh and I think you're kinda blind cause what I posted was exactly about the cards we are talking about, get a clue. You're like a child that doesnt wanna face reality.
AMD Fan said:Look Lawgiver just becuase you are too lazy to read about the specific cards that we are talking about means nothing. I have explained it has a different GPU to you clearly. Terra also has explained this clearly. We both own the card and researched it fully. Just becuase you will not look beyond a GENERAL chart at futuremark does not put you in the know. Also riva tuner shows this card having 20 pipelines. It performs like a card with 20 pipelines. If you are board and want to argue try a political thread. If you want to talk facts and the truth matters to you read the article at the Inquier showing the picture of the GPU. Do you know what a GPU does? Would the GPU not determine pipelines?
If it make's you feel better believe what you will. lol This card has 20 pipelines and it overclocks like one with 20 pipelines. Not all 7800GS cards are created equally. Oh technically speaking from your little chart at future mark the card is a 7800GT AGP.
"Gainward 7800GS 512MB really a 7800GT
I thought I should let you guys know that Gainward is back, after a period of custom graphic cards their enthusiasm seems to have died down. But now they are back with a vengance. They released a few cards with double the memory, 512MB instead of the usual 256MB. But to top things off, they seem to have taken a 7800GT core and bridged it down to AGP. So this card does not only have half a gigabyte of memory, but 20 pipelines as well. They even top if off with some serious cooling from Arctic Cooling. So if you are looking for the fasted AGP card out there, you will need to grab yourself one of these."
Quote from http://www.techpowerup.com/?10082
AMD Fan said:The 6800 Ultra and a regular 7800GS are allot alike. In my view its not worth the money. if your current card plays all your games well I would stay with it. What CPU is in your system? The CPU can also bottleneck the Gainward cards.
Looked at your specs (P4 3.0E @ 3.87ghz) Yes your CPU is fine for the Gainward cards.
Terra said:You are saying that a PCI-E 7800GT PCI-E cards are 16 pixelpipes/20shaderpipes and the 7800GTX is 16 pixelpipes/24 shaderpipes?
Would you please take your trolling into a seperate thread please...
Oh...BTW...Facts just for you:
X1800XT = 16 pixelpipes/16shaders/8 vertex/16 ROPS
X1900XT = 16 pixelpipes/48 shaders/8 vertex/16 ROPS
6800GT = 16 pixelpipes/16 shaders/6 vertex/16 ROPS
7800GT = 20 pixelpipes/20 shaders/7 vetex/16 ROPS
7800GTX = 24 pixelpies/24 shaders/8 vertex/16 ROPS
7800GS(AGP) = 16 pixelpies/16 shaders/6 vertex/8 ROPS
The Gainward AGP 7800GS Bliss 512MB is 20 pixelpipes/20 shaders/7 vetex/16 ROPS...
As is is a full-flegded 7800GT PCI-E core on AGP via the NVIDIA brigde-chip.
Terra - Read any review, they will state the same...
LawGiver said:I know the GS = 7800 GT and GS+ = 7900 GT. There is nothing SPECIAL about these cards, they are nothing new, besides using AGP.
Thats what I have been saying. You and the other guy seem to not understand how newer video cards work. The 7800GS and GS+ Bliss use only 16 of the 20/24 pipes for output pixel fill rate ...do you understand what this means? In order to FULLY utilize the 20/24 as pixel pipes, ROPs would have to = 20/24. They dont, they are both 16.
This is why a 6800 Ultra (16 pixel pipes/16 ROPs) at 450mhz core has the EXACT same PIXEL Fillrate as 7800 GS+ 450mhz core.........which is 7.2 Billion Pixels/sec. If the GS+ had 24 REAL and USABLE pixel pipelines, it would also need to have 24 ROPs, and only then its PIXEL fill rate would be 10.8 Billion Pixels/sec. So its is WRONG to call these cards 20/24 pixel pipes cards when ONLY 16 of those pipes can be USED for pixel output. I hope this isn't too hard for you guys to undserstand. (although it probably will be for AMD Fan)
rvlawrence said:Anyone know any other AGP cards coming out soon in the Nvidia 7900 series? Or is Gainward the best we got out there for good? I'll keep my fingers crossed for a BFG version. PLLLLEEEAASSEEE!!!!
Terra said:The only company (and that is OUTSIDE the US, take notice of that please!), that I know of that have done this and have any cards like this is Gainward.
eVGA, BFG ect...all follow NVIDIA's reference design.
Terra - I am still very [H]APPY over my card....the card everyone told would never come...7800GT for AGP
rvlawrence said:I have an AMD 64 3700 socket 754, 3 gigs of memory. Is this enough for to run the gainward card without fear of bottlenecking it? I don't want to put this card into my machine and then have it not be able to perform well on all of the newest games. Any thoughts on this? What would make it bottleneck when running a new game like Prey?
Steven301 said:Quick post for benchmarks.
Quake 4 : Geforce 6800GT 2214 frames 39.7 seconds 55.8 fps
Geforce 7800GS+ 2214 frames 18.3 seconds 121.1fps
Tryed out Coolbits2 first go at overclocking the core went from 450 core to 512 and the memory went from 625/1.2 to 755/1.5, but it failed when running 3dmarks on last test, looked like the memory needs to breakin before going at it again.
bustuila said:Hello
I couldn't find the 512MB version of 7800GS+ but I found the 256MB one...
Gainward 7876-BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB GS+
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS GoldenSample AGP 512MB
Chip: 7800GT
Core: 450MHZ
Mem: 1250MHZ
Pipes: 24
Gainwards barcode: 471846200-7876
Trimlock said:anyone know if this will ever make its way to the US? I understand its not worth the money, money isn't an issue with me, i already have a couple PCIe systems set up but i would like to keep my AGP system going as long as i can, since its doing a damn good job of playing my older games just fine and i sorta want to keep it that way
any info on it would be good, thanks!