HP LP2475w (Possible new IPS)

Yeah...+/- $100 for me makes them an equivalent choice to me, price-wise, for something that's already a high-cost low-turnover item. I also spend so damn much time on a computer that I want the a very effective monitor that will cause as little fuss as possible. The picture will be better with the smaller dot pitch (already paying for an H-IPS screen, so if that's not a priority, I have no clue what is). There are fewer issues to deal with. The screen can handle A/V inputs with style. Et cetera....

But yes, $60 tax is serious WTF territory. One of these years, I'm moving to a state with no sales tax and calling it fixed...grr...you're right, though, this is making me indecisive again.
 
lol sorry. I was seriously about to click the purchase button when I saw the tax.
 
Guess we're in the same boat, then. o_O

HP...Planar from Provantage...if the dot pitch actually bugs me, I can always just sit further back...oi vey...know anything against or for the Planar that I'm missing? The ONLY thing I have against the HP right now is that it's nearly cost-equivalent to the Planar.
 
as far as I know the only difference is inputs, 2" diagnal. maybe warranty? I know planar has excellent customer service/warranty. How is HP with display warranties?
 
Good enough.

I really like the inputs on the HP, but with a Westy 37v3 and Dell 2405FPW around, I can always just play on a different display if push comes to shove. Planar has slightly better input lag, I think...

Think we should invest in a Monoprice HDMI switch, a DVI to HDMI dongle, and an HDMI to DVI dongle? Suddenly, many HDMI ports...only really legacy thing I have around is a PS2...
 
DVI is HDMI, or at least close enough. Passive adapter will work.

Like this. Three dollar.

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Guess they weren't fibbing, then. :D

But seriously, another $30 on top of nearly $800? Not a deal breaker if push comes to shove, especially not on something I'll be using at least 3-5 years if all goes well.
 
ashmedai said:
Well then, it sounds like HP time!

The Planar is nice for what it is, especially with the $750ish tag at Provantage...but the poorer dot pitch on 26" screens and the inconstancy between units doesn't sound like it's worth dealing with on something that's mainly seeing use as a computer monitor.
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I suspect HP has decent quality control, nobody seems to be finding any huge issues with theirs from what I'm reading here and on OcUK.
 
Yeah, I figured as much.

I'll probably pick one or two of these up in 6-12 months when the price is more competitive. It's acceptable, especially for a new release and the H-IPS, but with the extra $100 on top from shipping and tax it's just getting silly compared to the Planar.

I'm really liking the results with the HP, though. Great screen, just needs a bit of time post-release to cool its heels.
 
So if this is a H-IPS panel monitor, is it a newer better H-IPS then the Nec 2690 ? That would be good to know in the upcoming review :D
 
It's basically the same...the NEC just has the benefit of the elusive polarizing film layer. But the NEC's input lag is right out of Dell's playbook! HP on the other hand has no such problem - not quite as low as some of the better TN panels, but great all the same.
 
ashmedai said:
It's basically the same...the NEC just has the benefit of the elusive polarizing film layer. But the NEC's input lag is right out of Dell's playbook! HP on the other hand has no such problem - not quite as low as some of the better TN panels, but great all the same.
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I'm glad i stuck to the HP :D
 
ashmedai said:
It's basically the same...the NEC just has the benefit of the elusive polarizing film layer.
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It's also a brand new panel for 2008, the LM240WU4. AFAIK the HP is the only monitor currently using it. Remember though, it's also wide gamut, however, I've managed to tone down the saturation using the included HP Display Assistant manual calibration settings which actually modify the settings on the display itself using the DCC channel.
 
Wide gamut is generally only a huge PITA if you're doing photo editing or something else like that - which is where you can actually do calibration. And should be anyway, if you've that sort of requirement. For artificial stuff like games - who's going to notice? If anything, sometimes it actually helps.

Is the HP calibration on the hardware level or just a software tool? Hardware control is nice when you can get it, since it actually works for everything instead of only things that respect the settings.
 
ashmedai said:
It's basically the same...the NEC just has the benefit of the elusive polarizing film layer. But the NEC's input lag is right out of Dell's playbook!
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The worst thing - a layman giving stupid answers on matters he has zero idea.
 
albovin said:
The worst thing - a layman giving stupid answers on matters he has zero idea.
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If you want to call my answers stupid, feel free - but if you don't correct them and thereby both add to the discussion and help educate me, then you're just a troll.

Also, I'm a physics student. So you'd better be an EE if you want to call me a layman. No, I don't have an HP in hand - if you read up, you notice me asking lots of questions about it to find out the sort of things I'm making judgments based on. But your statements aren't very accurate. :D
 
philjohn said:
It's also a brand new panel for 2008, the LM240WU4. AFAIK the HP is the only monitor currently using it. Remember though, it's also wide gamut, however, I've managed to tone down the saturation using the included HP Display Assistant manual calibration settings which actually modify the settings on the display itself using the DCC channel.
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Sorry noobie question, but what do you mean ? is that a internal lut hardware calibration your talking about ?

Should the calibration be done using my Eye Match or this HP Display Assistant ? :confused:
 
So is the retail price of this going to be the Smart Buy price of 649? If this isn't a special price then waiting for it to get to sites with cheaper shipping and no tax seems like a good idea. How likely is it for the cost to come down?
 
If you have an actual calibration device, always use it.

If hardware-level calibration is available, ideally you want to get it as close as you can first so it will benefit everything, then follow up with using your calibrator so it will be as accurate as possible for your specialized applications.

verse said:
So is the retail price of this going to be the Smart Buy price of 649? If this isn't a special price then waiting for it to get to sites with cheaper shipping and no tax seems like a good idea. How likely is it for the cost to come down?
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I don't think it will come down much soon. Retail of $650 would be nice if we can get it. Sometimes a company will start out with a special that isn't matched for a while just so they can increase market penetration; this could be a case like that or it could just be what the normal "street" price will be. There's really no telling yet.

I would be really happy to see one up for $500 in a year's time. But again, no way to know now. Specialist units like these tend to have less of a price fall-off than others, too.
 
ashmedai said:
Wide gamut is generally only a huge PITA if you're doing photo editing or something else like that - which is where you can actually do calibration. And should be anyway, if you've that sort of requirement. For artificial stuff like games - who's going to notice? If anything, sometimes it actually helps.

Is the HP calibration on the hardware level or just a software tool? Hardware control is nice when you can get it, since it actually works for everything instead of only things that respect the settings.
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The HP Display Assistant is for the most part I believe just sending commands down the DDC channel, so it's actually hardware (but of course, not on the same kind of level as the 2480), this includes things like the saturation (or "intensity" as they call it) controls.
 
You cannot adjust the saturaiton with Display Assistant. I have yet to find an instance where the saturaiton control becomes available. Please do not fill this thread with misinformation.
 
deadman3000 said:
You cannot adjust the saturaiton with Display Assistant. I have yet to find an instance where the saturaiton control becomes available. Please do not fill this thread with misinformation.
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Would you care to explain the "Intensity" control for the rest of the class, then? You're missing the second half of your post where you correct it. :D
 
ashmedai said:
If you want to call my answers stupid, feel free - but if you don't correct them and thereby both add to the discussion and help educate me, then you're just a troll.

Also, I'm a physics student. So you'd better be an EE if you want to call me a layman. No, I don't have an HP in hand - if you read up, you notice me asking lots of questions about it to find out the sort of things I'm making judgments based on. But your statements aren't very accurate. :D
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I see reasonable judgment in your answer now. Thank you. So I continue.
Please understand that when I say "stupid" I don't mean to insult you.
This is just a red mark for the readers (they are thousands) saying: "Warning! Extremely malicious statement! Disregard immediately!" That's it. Nothing personal.
To the point.
What you call "elusive" is in fact the quality that makes 2490/2690 uncomparably better than any appropriate size (and even larger!) H-IPS panels. It gives q-u-a-l-i-t-y that you cannot measure with a colorimeter. Test and video. Another educating review.
If you read, pay attention to details and understand both - you are not a layman anymore.
2490/2690 are this industry top products due to their panel quality, equimpent and image quality management - unique universal monitors. This is not an exaggeration.
Your comparison with Dell's input lag looks selfdestroying. It's nonsense. Back to educating video.
A golden quote from this forum member: "I stop reading when I see the word "Input Lag". That' s true. The least educated and meaningful statements about monitors are associated with this "problem".
About 2490/2690 for games - yes, this silver spoon is little less convenient for picking nose that your index finger. In fact both are well suitable for gaming and are used for gaming by many users. Note: gaming noobs seldom extend their fantasy beyond input lag, while there are tons of other qualities one may consider for gaming.

Important.
Be careful saying "same panel". Never do so if you mean image quality.
This is why.

2475 tends (so far) to be a popular useful inexpensive mid-level universal monitor. That's enough (if confirmed). That's already much.
Already much and already good.
But helpless attepts to inflate cheeks making comparison with top products would look just miserable.
Good luck.
 
albovin said:
What you call "elusive" is in fact the quality that makes 2490/2690 uncomparably better
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ashmedai said:
It's basically the same...the NEC just has the benefit of the elusive polarizing film layer.
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Elusive --> tending to elude capture, hard to obtain --> not many monitors are available that implement the polarizing film layer yet. Only the NEC models use them to my knowledge; they are not available more widely.

Make more sense? And to my understanding, the panel used in the Planar / DoubleSight and the NEC 26" displays is the same one for all of the above - the difference is in the controller, and in the polarizer that only NEC of the above implements. If you know more models that have the polarizer, we would love to know!
 
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Make more sense?
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:)I know what it means. And support it - that's valuable quality.
And to my understanding, the panel used in the Planar / DoubleSight and the NEC 26" displays is the same one for all of the above - the difference is in the controller, and in the polarizer that only NEC of the above implements.
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This the wrong thread to discuss that. That's why I put this in gray - irrelevant to the topic.
In many aspects panels are similar. But I never use the word "same". The result on the screen is different.
Lexus and Toyota may have "same" body frame. What does it say to us? And why should we repeat it all the time?
If you know more models that have the polarizer, we would love to know!
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You can also check iMac 24".
According to a user's report - Hazro HZ24Wi
 
albovin said:
In many aspects panels are similar. But I never use the word "same". The result on the screen is different.
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Hmm, I'm looking at it in terms of the technology used. The polarizer film is really not much different from the stuff you'd put on a window unless they're doing something drastically different from what I'm thinking they are - well, manufacturing it is probably more complex.

albovin said:
According to a user's report - Hazro HZ24Wi
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Hazro needs to get themselves a stateside distributor already.
 
ashmedai said:
I don't think it will come down much soon. Retail of $650 would be nice if we can get it. Sometimes a company will start out with a special that isn't matched for a while just so they can increase market penetration; this could be a case like that or it could just be what the normal "street" price will be. There's really no telling yet.

I would be really happy to see one up for $500 in a year's time. But again, no way to know now. Specialist units like these tend to have less of a price fall-off than others, too.
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Yea I don't exactly plan on waiting for the monitor to hit a price drop, just to get distributed to online resellers like newegg or provantage so it's not $80 in tax and shipping.

Also, this thread and the DS 265W one have been really helpful in making a monitor choice for me, just wanted to say thanks for that.
 
radier said:
Hey Hi Hello,

Can someone from the users of this HP display can perform this test (the one with browser):

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/testsoftware/ghosting-test.html

If this particular display (or any other) is vulnerable to ghosting then it will be clearly visible.

Thnx,
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Seems fine, no ghosting. Simon at TFTCentral will also do proper ghosting testing using PixPerAn and a high shutter speed camera, his review is meant to be up in around a week.
 
Which is better the DELL ULTRASHARP 2408WFP at $650 or the HP LP2475w at $750? This is for all around use. How do they compare without considering the price difference? The prices I list are approximate costs after taxes and shipping.
 
2408 is a s-pva and has high input lag that makes gaming and even non gaming a pain.

hp 2475 has h-ips and very playable input lag between 10-20 ms.

I think it's pretty clear the Hp is the better choice.


Why would you consider the dell and what about the hp that your not sure about ? if you can help explain i can try an answer what your not certain about these monitors. But bottom line the dell has high input lag so why consider it at all ?
 
I considered it because I am ignorant and have read a number say the latest revision of the Dell is pretty good now. I was leaning towards the Hp already, but for 5-7 year useage plan I don't wnat to guess wrong. I don't doubt your take, but I want to hear that the Hp is indeed a better monitor. Thanks..anymore input?
 
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