How well does the AMD 5000 X2 Overclock?

dad11345 said:
This is not the Intel forums its the AMD/ATI forums. By the way how are you going to get Cross Fire with out coming to us! LOL we got you by the ass.......................................
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I didn't know that from tonight at 12pm Crossfire will stop working on Intel. :p
 
savantu said:
I didn't know that from tonight at 12pm Crossfire will stop working on Intel. :p
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No. It will not stop working but I would guess the advertisement for it being the graphic card of choice for Intel Conroe will stop and SLI support will follow shortly..
 
overclocks well..
thought this should go in the thread incase someone was searching for it.
My results for first time ever OC'ing, I'm sure there is room for improvement as well.

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Just wondering, how much can it OC on stock voltage?

Having to raise the voltage up to 1.52 from 1.344 just for 400 mhz on an Athlon 64 doesn't make the 5000+ seem like it has much headroom. I've seen 3800+'s and 4200+'s OC that much on stock voltage.

The chip I am interested in most is the X2 4000+, since it has the 1 mb cache and a 10x multiplier, all for $198 at ZZF. That's pretty much the same specs the Opteron 170 has :D
 
I don't know about the vcore voltage.. I think I might be able to lower it down more and still be stable. Like I said, this was my first OC ever. I need to experiment a little more. I think my RAM just needs to be around 2.1v or 2.2v as opposed to the stock 1.9v. Right now my RAM is at 2.15v, so I'll start lowering the vcore to see what I can do while still remaining stable. I don't want to go any higher than 2.2v on my RAM though. That seems like it would be getting out of the 'safe range'. I can't find much on how far my memory voltage can go though. That 1.5v on the vcore is all the higher I want to push the processor. I don't want to damage it.
 
-Rc- said:
Just wondering, how much can it OC on stock voltage?

Having to raise the voltage up to 1.52 from 1.344 just for 400 mhz on an Athlon 64 doesn't make the 5000+ seem like it has much headroom. I've seen 3800+'s and 4200+'s OC that much on stock voltage.
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Can you please back up your BS about X2 3800 or even 4200 CPUs running Prime stable at 3000 MHz with an air cooler at stock voltage. Post whatever documentation you can find.

X-Bit Labs has a great reputation for overclocking and their 2000 MHz AM2 3600 needed 1.5 volts to run benchmark stable at 2600 MHz.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2-3600.html

w1retap: That's a great overclock, especially for your first effort. Very few X2 chips are Prime stable beyond 3000 Mhz on air and 1.52 volts won't hurt your processor. The most important number to keep an eye on is temperature. Download CoreTemp which tells you the real temperature of both of your cores.

http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=137

The cooler you can run your CPU the better. AMD rates the maximum core temp at 55C-70C for your processor. You won't have any temperature related stability issues if you can keep it below 60C with Prime running on both cores.

Download Stress Prime 2004 which has a nice looking GUI for Prime and will let you load both cores simultaneously.

http://sp2004.fre3.com/sp2004exe_20060405.cab

Once again, good work. :cool:

For your info, here's the torture a single 90nm Venice core can withstand:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1029666773#post1029666773
 
Thanks for the program links UncleWebb. =)

I ran the CoreTemp thing, and my Speedfan readings are within 2c or 3c degrees of what it says. I've been trying different setups, and so far, 13x231 @ 1.52vcore and 2.2v memory seems the most stable in prime95 doing the "In Place FFT torture test".. it only has a rounding error after a few hours now. I guess that is not bad is it? I mean.. how stable should it be? Eclipse's OC guide says >30mins is a stable OC from what I can see. I can game and do 3dMark for hours on end just fine with no lockups or anything. It seems like it is stable enough for what i need to do.. or do I need to try something different. Any recommendations?
 
How stable is stable is totally up to you. I prefer to be Prime stable for about 12 hours but that's overkill for most people.

If you're running a game and it crashes once a month, that's no big deal.
If you place an order for a 1000 shares of a company and end up with 10,000 shares, then that's a big deal, especially if they go down! :(

I like running MemTest86+ overnight to make sure that there are no memory errors. It is a DOS based program so you don't have to worry about screwing up your Windows install when you're playing around with overclocking your computer.

http://www.memtest.org/

You can either burn it to a bootable CD or even to a floppy if you have one of those in a box in a closet somewhere.

What are your CoreTemp readings at idle and at full load under Prime? Other users like to compare. Are you running two instances of Prime, one for each core using SP2004?

You might need 1.55 volts to be 100% Prime stable at 3000 MHz or you might need to reduce your overclock for full stability here. As long as you have adequate cooling and your case is properly ventilated, your X2 will run many, many years without any problems at 1.52 or 1.55 volts.

Even with all the crazy people out there like myself you would think that you would hear of processors melting into a big pile but you don't. The AMD64 may not be the fastest anymore but they're still well built and extremely reliable.

Here's the X-Bit article for the X2-5000 like yours. They got within a hair of 3000 MHz at 1.50 volts so you're CPU is definitely running just the way it should be. Wide open!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-socket-am2_7.html
 
anyone know where to buy the am2 5000+ x2? because newegg nor tigerdirect seem to have them
 
is there a way to buy the processor without a bunble? i want that mobo as well but i cant really afford both of them at once im really buying my items piece by piece
 
no.. you can't buy it seperate. They only sell it oem with a bundled mobo from their selection. Until then, just wait for the 5000+'s to come back into stock sometime.. I'm not sure when that will be. I heard AMD only released about 1000 oem 5000+'s to start with.
 
Oh.. and an update.. so far I've been trying out that SP2004 program, and I have two programs of it open (one per core), and the CPU stress test has been going for 4+ hours with no errors at 3.0ghz. =D I'm using the 667 ram divider and it seems to be working better.

oh yes.. and the CoreTemp numbers..

1.55vcore, 3.0ghz.

IDLE - Core 1 = 31c ... Core 2 = 33c ... average seems 32c
MAX LOAD ever recorded - Core 1 = 43c ... Core2 = 47c ... average seems 44c.

Water cooling with BIX2 radiator, and TDX waterblock for AM2.
 
unclewebb said:
Can you please back up your BS about X2 3800 or even 4200 CPUs running Prime stable at 3000 MHz with an air cooler at stock voltage. Post whatever documentation you can find.
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Check out this Thread for Overclocking of Athlons...
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=240070

"Luftkühlung" or "Lukü" means air cooled.
"Wasserkühlung" or "Wakü" means Watercooled.

To each overclocked processor you will find a link to prime screenshots, at the end of the corresponding row.

"The" Example for a X2 3800+ @3GHz@ BELOW stock voltage@48°C:
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=prime3000je9.jpg

Moderately rised voltages, air cooled @3GHz or 2.9 GHz...
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dualprime30002kt3.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=primescreenwu0.jpg

It is all about the steppings...
For Athlon X2 3800, the new Toledos seem to overclock very good.
Especially the 0626FPMW, 0626GPMW and 0625VPMW look promising.

Here you can find another stepping list of Manchester and Toledo cores, together with prices in german online shops and date of purchase:
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=257741
 
MGM: Thanks for the info and links. I stand corrected.

Doing 3000 MHz with a 3800 X2 on air at stock voltage is not impossible but it is not the norm.

The majority of these chips that make it to 3000 MHz need extra voltage to be Prime stable.

I did notice a lot of these users were using CPU-z version 1.35 which has a known bug for reporting CPU voltages correctly. Is it possible that some of these super chips had some extra voltage going to them but still appeared to CPU-z to be at stock voltage?

Here's an example of what CPU-z v1.35 says about my chip. I'm definitely not at stock voltage. :cool:

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FYI for those who are considering this chip. I was running a Biostar Tforce 550 for months, and the most I could get out of this chip with my current RAM (DDR 667) was about 2.9 Ghz, which required voltage increase and much tweaking. I swapped out my motherboard for a DFI 790 FX motherboard with much higher multipliers, and I was able to run 3.2 Ghz on stock voltage stable. I haven't tried to take it past that, but I am pretty sure I have some headroom. So that being said, get a motherboard that supports the higher multipliers. It is worth every dollar.
 
^^ Holy Dead Thread revival batman!!!!

The OC of a chip isn't strictly dependent on being able to go high on a multiplier. Sure, getting to at least 16 is nice, but there are many other things that can play into the oc-ability of a cpu.

My board can be set to 16 (I think the multi can go into the 20's) for the multi and the highest stable I can get it is 3.1Ghz (15x206)
 
Surely. But my point is it is much easier, and in my experience, stable. You know how it is. Each processor/mobo/cooling/memory combination is different. Back when I first started I was running a Zalman 9500. Now I am running an Ultra Chilltec. With the motherboard that allowed the higher multiplier, I was able to just simulate the settings of a 6400+ and it was an easy overclock to 3.2 easy. I have heard some folks were not so fortunate, and then others, like some running at 3.4 or so, have freak chips. Mileage may vary.
 
You haven't clarified whether you're still talking about the 5000+ Windsor as this thread was... Most people today are only going to equate a 5000+ with a Brisbane.
 
Brisbane. As said above, I set it to 6400 specs, 1.4 volts, 16 x 200. I'll see how far I can get it to go this weekend, but last night I just wanted to have some good and stable TF2 play for a few hours, as building the system kept me away from that for a few days! :D
 
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