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Help me get a watercooling setup!

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ShockTech

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Hey there,

Can you guys help me get the right watercooling stuff?

I am not sure what parts I need, etc.

Budget is about $450

I want to cool:
Athlon 64 CPU
Chipset
6800 GT OC Video card

anything else you guys suggest I should cool?

Noise isnt a BIG deal, but the quieter the better.

I would imagine high flow would be better in some way, but I would also think that the smaller tubing would be cosmetically better.

I have a Lian Li PC-65 with limited room, only under my video card and below, and two, 5 1/2 inch cd rom bays.

Thanks for the help guys! I appreaciate it!
 
ShockTech said:
Hey there,

Can you guys help me get the right watercooling stuff?

I am not sure what parts I need, etc.

Budget is about $450

I want to cool:
Athlon 64 CPU
Chipset
6800 GT OC Video card

anything else you guys suggest I should cool?

Thanks for the help guys! I appreaciate it!
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What kind of gear are you wanting?
 
in terms of?

EDIT: I need everything, just so you know. I am currently using an air cooled rig.
 
there are people on here who like the domestic high flow stuff, there are people here who like the import low flow stuff, there are people here who think tha performance is all, there are people who don't want to hear their computer over the sound of one hand clapping.

what are your priorities? with a budget like what you are proposing, we should be able to work out something that you will like.
 
Noise isnt TOO much of a problem, Im used to it, but the quieter the better.

I would imagine high flow would be better right? More water = lower temps right?

I am open to all ideas, and of course...the cheaper the better, but i dont want to sacrafice to save a few bucks.

thanks for all the help!
 
I know I posted this in two threads, after the first one this one seemed the better choice so forgive me

Has anyone any opinions (silly question I know) or experience with the bigger Swifttech or the ThermalTake Big water kits shown in this link?:

http://www.xoxide.com/watcoolkit.html


I know nothing is ever simple but the goal was/is to cool either a Sandiego 3700 or 4000 for some better over clocking then a good air system.

Water cooling is new to me, do try to be kind
 
what case do you have? are you willing to cut a hole to mount your rad? i would like to know before i start talking about radiators.

the import low flow stuff does pretty well for cooling, and looks much prettier.

well-selected high-flow stuff cools better, but the difference is not HUGE.

i use and support high-flow methodology. there are plenty of others on here who will preach the benifits of import equipemt at length.
 
ShockTech said:
how about you get your own thread please?
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Wait, we are asking the same basic question and you want your “own” thread?

Are you really that thoughtless and selfish? If so excuse the hell out of me!

I didn’t realize you were “special” :rolleyes:
 
BillR said:
Wait, we are asking the same basic question and you want your “own” thread?

Are you really that thoughtless and selfish? If so excuse the hell out of me!

I didn’t realize you were “special” :rolleyes:
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Yeah, what he said. That was rather dickish, dude. He's asking the same question, no need to fill up to forum with the same kind of threads.
 
You posted it in two threads, why not just make your own so you get a direct answer?
 
DFI Daishi said:
what case do you have? are you willing to cut a hole to mount your rad? i would like to know before i start talking about radiators.

the import low flow stuff does pretty well for cooling, and looks much prettier.

well-selected high-flow stuff cools better, but the difference is not HUGE.

i use and support high-flow methodology. there are plenty of others on here who will preach the benifits of import equipemt at length.
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I have a Lian Li PC-65.

Cut a hole? Depends where I guess. :confused:
 
ShockTech said:
You posted it in two threads, why not just make your own so you get a direct answer?
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Yup, three threads would be much more productive, no doubt. :rolleyes:
 
Which is why you would delete the post in here, and the one in the other, and viola!
 
ShockTech said:
Which is why you would delete the post in here, and the one in the other, and viola!
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#1, I apologized for the double post

#2 I didn’t attempt to hijack your thread, same subject matter

#3 I did it as politely as I know how

#4 I was not aware after all the years of posting in here that anyone “owned” a thread

#5 I have no idea who has over indulged you through out your life but don’t expect me to do the same.

#6 Your sig indicates (in bold no less) you have a “legal” copy of Windows XP Pro which seemingly indicates you think or assume others and or the rest of us don’t. Besides sounding a bit condescending on your part it is actually indicative of pure rudeness. I have 24 LEGAL copies on 24 machines, does that make me even more special then you?

As Denis Leary said, “Life isn’t fair, get a helmet.”
 
@BillR: c'mon hes asking the same question, dont be that nasty, theres no reason to be nasty. We're here to help us each other.

for the looks, imported stuff like Aqua Computer is the way to go. You can buy it from SHARKA, which is the one (if not the principal) distribuitors of AC Stuff. For the performance you can get Danger Den, Switfetch, PolarFLO from anywhere (sharka, frozencpu, even xoxide). Both peform almost the same, but with Aqua Computer, you got a great lookin gear.

@BillR n Shocktech: stop fighting about a thread for god say, is a thread, isn't money, isn't a girl and isn't something any of both "really own".
 
simon27 said:
@BillR: c'mon hes asking the same question, dont be that nasty, theres no reason to be nasty. We're here to help us each other.

for the looks, imported stuff like Aqua Computer is the way to go. You can buy it from SHARKA, which is the one (if not the principal) distribuitors of AC Stuff. For the performance you can get Danger Den, Switfetch, PolarFLO from anywhere (sharka, frozencpu, even xoxide). Both peform almost the same, but with Aqua Computer, you got a great lookin gear.

@BillR n Shocktech: stop fighting about a thread for god say, is a thread, isn't money, isn't a girl and isn't something any of both "really own".
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I have to agree the Aqua is really good looking, no doubt. I tend to go overboard on projects which is why I had asked if any of the "kits" are actually a good balance of parts price and performance.

What I was trying to avoid was investing enough in water cooling to a point where I was so close to the cost of phase change I might as well do that instead.

Make sense? ;)

Thanks for your input
 
First of all, I agree with the original poster BillR that you should have made your own thread. The original thread is about recommending a complete watercooling kit for someone with very little experience in watercooling, you are asking a direct question about one or two specific kits, you are more likely to get an answer in your own thread with a representative title.

@ original poster :

You have quite a large budget for your water cooling :D You have a lot of options. I think the most optimal place for a radiator would be to stick a dual heatercore up on the top of the case, cut a rectangular hole for it and have the rad + fans take up the 2 free 5.5 inch bays. Use a T-line and fillport, the new Laing pump (mcp655), 3/8" tubing and your choice of waterblocks, keeping in mind that you probably wont see any gain at all from the chipset block so you might not even want to bother with that.
 
personally I'd throw out the chipset cooling, as it isn't going to get you anything (the memory controller is on die anyways, not the northbridge) at all with an A64 setup, unless you really want to take the chipset fan noise out of the picture, in which case a big passive cooler would be cheaper, and wouldn't hurt your flow. Now the budget you have is pretty high (IMO) for watercooling, and if you haven't already I'd seriously consider a phase change setup, as I've seen used vapochills on ebay for around $500 from time to time. Phase change wouldn't cool your video card, but'd make a CPU a whole lot more fun to play with. Otherwise I'd go with a dangerden TDX/RBX, or a similar make block, a cheap maze video card block (unless you really want to spend $120 on the dangerden 6800 block that may or may not fit a next gen card), an ehiem pump (the 1250 300gph model should be fine), and as far as a radiator goes, I'm not sure, I've never used one (I prefer an external setup with a large rubbermaid tub for a res, or a lab chiller).
 
Well yes, you make sense.

If you prefer the performance over the looks for less money, as i stated above, Danger Den, and other companies, is the way to go, no doubt. You can get a nice nice nice system for less than 350, and you could save your 100$ for a future update, like another radiator or a better block... who knows?

Lets see.. if I use all of your budget for a AC (sharka prices) it would be:

Cuplex XT $110 - http://www.sharkacomputers.com/aqcocuxtcpub.html
Eheim 1046 $60 or a Eheim 1048 $70
AquaTube $65 - http://www.sharkacomputers.com/aqcoaqwaresi.html
x2 (one for your vga and another for the NB) Twinplex $60 - http://www.sharkacomputers.com/aqcotwwablwp.html
I leave you the last decisition, the rad, is your call.

All of these (without rad and getting a 1046): 355... you got 100$ left to buy: a rad (240 one would do just fine), a grill, and some other things like grills and thins to make ur case beauty.
 
This is what I'm going to be using soon. I'm on air, and had an Alphacool/Aqua Computer/Innovatek mixed system. I'll be using a very low flow setup, but it won't matter if my pump's any bigger, because of the block design (see Pro Cooling's review of the Innovatek Rev3).

CPU: Cape KC42-X2 Pro

GPU: Innovatek NV40 no LED

Pump: Innovatek HPPS

Radiator: Black Ice Xtreme and Panaflo L1

Reservoir: Watercool AB-G

I got the block from a guy on a forum, and the rad was in my high flow setup from a couple of years ago. If you don't absolutely need to buy new, scour forums, there's always some one selling something.
 
Erasmus354 said:
First of all, I agree with the original poster BillR that you should have made your own thread. The original thread is about recommending a complete watercooling kit for someone with very little experience in watercooling, you are asking a direct question about one or two specific kits, you are more likely to get an answer in your own thread with a representative title.

@ original poster :

You have quite a large budget for your water cooling :D You have a lot of options. I think the most optimal place for a radiator would be to stick a dual heatercore up on the top of the case, cut a rectangular hole for it and have the rad + fans take up the 2 free 5.5 inch bays. Use a T-line and fillport, the new Laing pump (mcp655), 3/8" tubing and your choice of waterblocks, keeping in mind that you probably wont see any gain at all from the chipset block so you might not even want to bother with that.
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The reason I want to cool the chipset is because my chipset fan died last night, so Im pushing it as it is right now. Thanks for the help though!
 
ShockTech said:
The reason I want to cool the chipset is because my chipset fan died last night, so Im pushing it as it is right now. Thanks for the help though!
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I got tired of my chipset fans loudness, so I bought a Thermalright northbridge cooler, and it's pretty nice. The only problem was that the place I bought it from added the copper version right after mine shipped. Swiftech makes a nice chipset cooler too. The good thing about either of those is that, even though they come with a fan, you don't need to use it to get good results. Both are cheaper than a water block :)
 
Pooky said:
I got tired of my chipset fans loudness, so I bought a Thermalright northbridge cooler, and it's pretty nice. The only problem was that the place I bought it from added the copper version right after mine shipped. Swiftech makes a nice chipset cooler too. The good thing about either of those is that, even though they come with a fan, you don't need to use it to get good results. Both are cheaper than a water block :)
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Hell I figured...If im gonna do it, I might as well do it right...right? :p
 
but wheer do you find chipset fans that arent like super tall? for those of us that have gfx cards that hang over the chipset :O
 
I believe there is a Thermaltake "ORB" that someone mentioned...its low profile with a fan too.
 
el rolio said:
but wheer do you find chipset fans that arent like super tall? for those of us that have gfx cards that hang over the chipset :O
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Oh yeah, that was my Intel system. On my current AMD system, the chipset is in a bad place right under GPU slot, but it's passively cooled already. It depends on the board then, some have them under and some over.
 
Try looking at the prices in FrozenCPU.com and SharkaCorp.com... I gave you a litle AC setup, you just have to decide the Radiator, anyway if you aren't buying AC, buy Danger Den.

CPU: Danger Den TDX or Switftech 6002 (both works almost same)
VGA: Maze4 Acetal Block
NB: I think you're getting another fan.
Pump: pick one from here: http://www.frozencpu.com/scan/se=Water Cooling/se=Pumps & Relay Kits/mp=menu_search.html ... Almost all of these are noisy, best wait another reccomendation
Radiator: For what you want I would pick a 240mm or a 360mm, a Black Ice Pro or a Black Ice Extreme should work fine... but for best performance, Thermochill is the way to go... you can buy it from the Danger Den's store, get a HE120.2 o HE120.3..
Tubing: buy whatever you want, Clearflex, Tygon... Tygon is best qualy.
 
white water > 6002 > TDX as long as you have a good pump.

although i have not tried it myself, the aquaextreme has a reputation for excellent performance and low noise. the swiftech MCP 650 and dangerden D4 are the loud ones. the new swiftech MCP 655 is supposed to have even better performance, with low noise as well, however i have not yet seen it on sale.

if you have the cash for it, the thermochill PA160.1 rad is pretty much the best thing going for excellent cooling with low noise. it's expensive. that's why i suggested going with the heatercore instead. thermochill 120.2 would also do well for your needs, but, again, the cost is pretty up there.
 
DFI Daishi said:
white water > 6002 > TDX as long as you have a good pump.

although i have not tried it myself, the aquaextreme has a reputation for excellent performance and low noise. the swiftech MCP 650 and dangerden D4 are the loud ones. the new swiftech MCP 655 is supposed to have even better performance, with low noise as well, however i have not yet seen it on sale.

if you have the cash for it, the thermochill PA160.1 rad is pretty much the best thing going for excellent cooling with low noise. it's expensive. that's why i suggested going with the heatercore instead. thermochill 120.2 would also do well for your needs, but, again, the cost is pretty up there.
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Any links? Im having trouble finding the exact parts you suggested. Thanks for the help! I appreaciate it!

Also, whats better? The Dangerden RBX or the Dangerden TDX?
 
ShockTech said:
Hell I figured...If im gonna do it, I might as well do it right...right? :p
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The reason I decided on H20 cooling was because of my NB. I had no problems OCing my FX-55, but my NB fan could not keep up(ASUS has changed the fan since)with the temps. I decided to cool everything.
 
Ok guys, can you tell me how this would be?

Copper RBX for Athlon64 & Opteron 754/939/940 - $56
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=28

The Danger Den 6800 Solution for GPU and RAM cooling - $125
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=64

ASUS A8N MAZE4 Chipset Block
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=160 - $39

Eheim 1260 - Previously the 1060
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=142 - $109

Black Ice Micro II
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=5 - $ 64

Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=53 - $ 32

Danger Den Fillport
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=56 - $ 12

Tygon 3603 Tubing 1/2" ID 3/4" OD
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=172 $ 2.80 X10 = $28

Plastic Snap Tubing Clamps
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=62 $.75 X 16 = $12

FluidXP+
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=75 $ 35

Total: $532 shipped.

I know its over, but if Im gonna do it, might as well do it right.

Will all of this work together and am I missing anything besides fans for the radiator?

Thanks!
 
ShockTech said:
Any links? Im having trouble finding the exact parts you suggested. Thanks for the help! I appreaciate it!
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i have not yet seen the PA160.1 for sale. dangerden is supposed to be getting some soon(i think that i remember cathar saying as much). http://www.thermochill.com/pa160.php

regarding waterblocks: http://www.procooling.com/html/pro_testing.php

all other products i referred to are on these sites. shop around to find best pricing before buying.
http://www.swiftnets.com/
http://www.dtekcustoms.com/
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/
 
that rad is nowhere near adequate for your needs. the swiftech block is a better block, if you don't want to go with the d-tek.

edit: yeah, the NV-68 cooler is not all that great as compared to a maze 4 GPU and ramsinks. distilled water and zerex coolant additive are excellent performing and cheap.
 
ShockTech said:
Ok guys, can you tell me how this would be?

Copper RBX for Athlon64 & Opteron 754/939/940 - $56
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=28

The Danger Den 6800 Solution for GPU and RAM cooling - $125
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=64

ASUS A8N MAZE4 Chipset Block
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=160 - $39

Eheim 1260 - Previously the 1060
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=142 - $109

Black Ice Micro II
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=5 - $ 64

Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=53 - $ 32

Danger Den Fillport
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=56 - $ 12

Tygon 3603 Tubing 1/2" ID 3/4" OD
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=172 $ 2.80 X10 = $28

Plastic Snap Tubing Clamps
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=62 $.75 X 16 = $12

FluidXP+
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=75 $ 35

Total: $532 shipped.

I know its over, but if Im gonna do it, might as well do it right.

Will all of this work together and am I missing anything besides fans for the radiator?

Thanks!
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Instead of a RBX get a TDX, these are better. Cooling the ram sinks is useless... get an aceltal maze 4 for your vga... 30$ for a Res? pick one here... http://www.frozencpu.com/scan/se=Water Cooling/se=Reservoirs/mp=menu_search.html ... I think you don't need fillport if you get a resevoir.

About the tygon is ok... but you can get ClearFLEX aswell. If you can, get this rad: http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=45&cat=0&page=1

Overall is ok...
 
okay okay........i'm feeling rather tired hot and lazy, and i let that show through earlier when i put up the graph rather than talking about that block in depth..........

however, for a lot of reasons, although the dangerden, swiftech and d-tek blocks in discussion are all good, i just don't feel like doing an extensive writeup based on a lot of reading over the last few moths and some pointed corrections that i have recieved from those more knowledgable in these things than myself.
 
Im sorry guys, Im having a terrible time getting a list together with all the different opinions.

Can someone/some of you get me a list of everything I would need that would suit my needs?

I would really appreciate it!

Try to keep it under $550 if possible, thanks!
 
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