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Joaorv

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Thanks everyone for the input so far.

I've finaly completed the list. It's not everythign I wanted but the price was getting out of hand so I had to adjust.

If you can please take a look at it and give me your input.

A few things i'm looking for:
#1 - Any item you think I should not buy that is on the list, let me know. Be it compatibility issues, known problems, not good performance, etc.

#2 - Any thing you would do diferent. Namely a same quality item that is much cheaper than what i have listed here.

#3 - Do you think I absolutly need WD Raptors?

#4 - Do you think I should go with 4 GB RAM and 2 8800GTX right now regardless of price?

#5 - Do you think i should go with a E6600 instead?

This is what i want from this system. I want to overclock it a decent but manageble ammount and have it last at least 5+ good years without the slightest hint of a problem. I want it to kickass and be upgradable (more RAM, more GPUs, etc) so it can continue to kick ass for as long as possible.

NEW UPDATED LIST:
OS
CPU
Intel® Core™2 Extreme quad-core processor QX6700
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2XE/index.htm​
Mobo
eVGA NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI (122-CK-NF68-AR)
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=122-CK-NF68-AR&family=20​
RAM
(1) Corsair TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF with Dominator airflow fan
http://www.corsair.com/corsair/products/specs/TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF.pdf
(Total 2GB RAM, 1 x 2 DIMM)​
GPU
(1) 768MB e-GeForce 8800 GTX KO ACS3 (768-P2-N837-AR)
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=768-P2-N837-AR​
Sound
X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro Series
http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854&nav=0
(disable motherboard sound card)​
PSU
Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF 850W
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-85zf.htm​
HSF
Sunbeam Tuniq tower 120
http://www.tuniq.com.tw/Cooler%20Info/Tower-120.htm
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal compound
http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm​
Case/ cooling
CM Stacker 830 Evo (RC-830) - No PSU; No fans - Black Color
http://www.coolermaster.com/index.p...RC-830&other_title=+RC-830+CM Stacker 830 Evo
(1) 120x120x25mm fan included (replace fan)
(1) 4-in-3 Device Module with 120x120x25mm fan included (Replace Fan)
Add extra
7 x 120mm fans: (Front(4-in-3) x 1; Top x 1; Rear x 1; Side x 4)
Fans used:
SilenX 120x120x25mm - 14dBA - 72CFM Fan (IXP-74-14)
http://www.silenx.com/ixtremaprofans.asp?sku=ixp-74-14
4-in-3 Device Module (STB-3T4-E1)
http://www.coolermaster.com/index.p...E1&other_title=STB-3T4-E14-in-3 Device Module​
HDD
(2) Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/s 320-GB Hard Drive (ST3320620AS) in RAID 0
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...5fb010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&reqPage=Model#​
DVD
Floppy
NEC Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model FD1231H-302
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821152005​
Anti virus/ extra security:
??​
Future easy update:
Add 2GB RAM; add 2nd GeForce 8800 GTX; add physics processor; add more HDD​

Thanks for any help you can give!

Joaorv
 
jcll2002 said:
lol @ bluray. Do you really want to dish out $1k for that?
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Nope haha. didn't know it was so expensive, I was looking into the DVD storage and wrote down blueray to check later.

Help me with the other parts.
 
For hard drives it all depends on how much storage you want, but i definitely suggest getting a Western Digital Sata Raptor for your OS and Programs. You can get more than one if you plan on using raid. If not just get one 74GB or 150 GB Raptor and another large sata hard drive for storage. Seagate has some nice ones that use perpendicular recording. If you check my sig thats what I'm using and couldn't be happier for the money spent. Your system looks like it's gonna kick ass so far.
 
for cooling, i would just stick with a really good hsf, like a tuniq tower 120 or a zalman 9700. they're cheaper and easier to set up than a water cooling setup. water cant be beat for sheer cooling ability, so if u wanna push your quadcore as far as it well go, get watercooling. i wouldnt be the one to ask about going this route, try the overclocking and cooling section of these forums for recommendations for a top-of-the-line watercooling setup.
 
Joaorv, please don't use words like "ass" in thread titles. Please take the time to read The Rules you agreed to when you registered.

(7) No CUSSING in the thread title. It is permitted in the thread body, but please refrain from using excessive profanity dammit.
 
I don't recommend using the PCP&C 1kw SR. It's a great psu, yes, but it's very, very expensive. Try the Silverstone Olympia 1kw.

Everything else looks... pimp.
 
GangGreen said:
For hard drives it all depends on how much storage you want, but i definitely suggest getting a Western Digital Sata Raptor for your OS and Programs. You can get more than one if you plan on using raid. If not just get one 74GB or 150 GB Raptor and another large sata hard drive for storage. Seagate has some nice ones that use perpendicular recording. If you check my sig thats what I'm using and couldn't be happier for the money spent. Your system looks like it's gonna kick ass so far.
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For hard drive I'd like something fast of course, but also plenty of storage space. Depending on prices and where the cut off point is between performance and size i'd like to go maybe towards 500GB total. Games are getting awefully big these days and i like to have a bunch of them installed without worring about space. On my current system I have 60GB and i'm always having to uninstall stuff.

What's the diference betwen sATA and RAID? and whats the diference betwen all the diferent RAID configurations?
 
GMoney42392 said:
for cooling, i would just stick with a really good hsf, like a tuniq tower 120 or a zalman 9700. they're cheaper and easier to set up than a water cooling setup. water cant be beat for sheer cooling ability, so if u wanna push your quadcore as far as it well go, get watercooling. i wouldnt be the one to ask about going this route, try the overclocking and cooling section of these forums for recommendations for a top-of-the-line watercooling setup.
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I am going to try and push the RAM to 1250MHz, since it has been tested that high by corsair, and push the FSB to 1333 since the mobo says 1066/1333, as to the cpu, i'm not sure, sinceI have never overclocked anything, i don't want to mess up, but i'd like to push it some confortable ammount. Not interested in pushing it to see how high i can keep it for an hour. But if it runs for 4-5 years at a certain ammount of overclocking as well as it would on stock settings then i'm going with the overclokcing setting ;)

So yeah, i'll be overclocking the system as high as it will confortably go, but not to extreme ammounts.

The box comes with two fans included: Front Fan (Intake): One 120x120x25 mm, 1200 rpm, 22dBA(LED); Rear Fan (Exhaust): One 120x120x25 mm, 1200 rpm, 22 dBA

And can be upgraded to include optional: UP to 9 x 120mm fans (optional) ; Front x 3,Top x 1, Rear x 1, Side x 4 (Side fan bracket is also for 140mm x 4 or 120mm x 4 or 92mm x 4 or 80mm x 4 or 60mm x 4, or 300mm Cross Flow Fan x1 or MIX)

Apart from the CPU fan how many optional ones you think I should get for the box? The GPU already comes with a fan and is o/c already by eVGA so i'm thinking that's all good already. Any other extra cooling I should be thinking about?
 
Lethal said:
Joaorv, please don't use words like "ass" in thread titles. Please take the time to read The Rules you agreed to when you registered.

(7) No CUSSING in the thread title. It is permitted in the thread body, but please refrain from using excessive profanity dammit.
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Sorry about that, and thanks for the heads up ;)
 
Bbq said:
I don't recommend using the PCP&C 1kw SR. It's a great psu, yes, but it's very, very expensive. Try the Silverstone Olympia 1kw.

Everything else looks... pimp.
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Thx, I'll look into that one, off to Rugby game now.

Thx everyone for the input so far.
 
Joaorv said:
I am going to try and push the RAM to 1250MHz, since it has been tested that high by corsair, and push the FSB to 1333 since the mobo says 1066/1333, as to the cpu, i'm not sure, sinceI have never overclocked anything, i don't want to mess up, but i'd like to push it some confortable ammount. Not interested in pushing it to see how high i can keep it for an hour. But if it runs for 4-5 years at a certain ammount of overclocking as well as it would on stock settings then i'm going with the overclokcing setting ;)

So yeah, i'll be overclocking the system as high as it will confortably go, but not to extreme ammounts.

The box comes with two fans included: Front Fan (Intake): One 120x120x25 mm, 1200 rpm, 22dBA(LED); Rear Fan (Exhaust): One 120x120x25 mm, 1200 rpm, 22 dBA

And can be upgraded to include optional: UP to 9 x 120mm fans (optional) ; Front x 3,Top x 1, Rear x 1, Side x 4 (Side fan bracket is also for 140mm x 4 or 120mm x 4 or 92mm x 4 or 80mm x 4 or 60mm x 4, or 300mm Cross Flow Fan x1 or MIX)

Apart from the CPU fan how many optional ones you think I should get for the box? The GPU already comes with a fan and is o/c already by eVGA so i'm thinking that's all good already. Any other extra cooling I should be thinking about?
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what i would do is fill every fan hole on your case. in the case of your stacker, it looks like you can hold 7 120mm fans with one 4-in-3 device module. if youre worried about the sound levels, get a fan controller and adjust the fan speed until youre comfortable. if youre not planning on anything extreme, i see little point in a watercooling setup. just get a zalman 9700 or a tuniq tower 120. that plus the seven fans in your case should be plenty.

o and btw, you can do multiple quotes in one post by clicking the button to the left of the quote button ;).
 
For the hard drives I recommend a 150gb raptor and a 750gb Seagate. I do think raptors are a waste of money for the benefit they offer but judging by your other parts it looks like it won't worry you too much.
 
GMoney42392 said:
what i would do is fill every fan hole on your case. in the case of your stacker, it looks like you can hold 7 120mm fans with one 4-in-3 device module. if youre worried about the sound levels, get a fan controller and adjust the fan speed until youre comfortable. if youre not planning on anything extreme, i see little point in a watercooling setup. just get a zalman 9700 or a tuniq tower 120. that plus the seven fans in your case should be plenty.

o and btw, you can do multiple quotes in one post by clicking the button to the left of the quote button ;).
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It can hold 9 120mm fans, that 4 in 3 thing, waht type of fan is it? whats the benefit over the other fans, looks rather bulky, is it a super exaust fan or something? Thx for the sugestion for the cpu fan, would you go with one model (of the two you sugested) over the other or they about same? I'm gona google them and read up on them too.

P.S found the multi quite thingy, thx ;)


tisb0b said:
For the hard drives I recommend a 150gb raptor and a 750gb Seagate. I do think raptors are a waste of money for the benefit they offer but judging by your other parts it looks like it won't worry you too much.
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Why is the Raptor a waste? The things I have chosen are pricey but i think so far they are worth the money, or if they aren't point it out to me ;)

I haven't included a physiX card for that reazon, not worth it just yet.

I confess I don't know much about hard disks right now, would the 750 gb seagate be a slow disk? does size affect read/write times significantly? should i go with SATA or RAID? pros cons?
 
I was reading the specifications for the box and it says:

3.5 inch 4 (Hidden) from 1 x 4-in-3 Device Module included; 1 x 3.5

whats 3.5inch in reference to? and as it seems it includes a 4in3 device as well as a front and a rear fan. I'm thinking then I can add 2 front and 1 top 120mm fans, and put 4 140mm fans on the side. I have the choice to add a a single cross flow 300mm fan instead of the 4x140mm http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=STF-B01-E1 but it seems "gimmicky"?

I checked reviews for the fans you mentionedand I think that turniq looks like it can kcik some serious butt, think i'll go with that one, thx! - After reading a bit more i see you have to adjust the speed of the fan yourself, I was expecting it to be self sufficient in adjusting the speed as needed.

P.S. whats this for http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=RC-880-FBN1 and do i need it?
 
Bbq said:
I don't recommend using the PCP&C 1kw SR. It's a great psu, yes, but it's very, very expensive. Try the Silverstone Olympia 1kw.

Everything else looks... pimp.
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I looked at the olympia, it looks good but not SLI ready. the Zeus 850 is though http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-85zf.htm although 850 might not leave enough room of manouver for the future.

What do you think of this one http://www.tagan.com/pages/products/turboS/e_tg1100_u96.html and this one http://www.topower.com/pwr_top_1000W.html
 
I have a new question: Since the eVGA mobo is Overclocker friendly, you think i need to change the fan on it or it should be perfectly fine as is?

P.S. yet another queston. will i be able to controll all the fans or do i need to buy a fan controler thingy? cooler master has some but they only control 4 fans. aren't the fans supposed to be controled automaticaly as the system temp raises?

P.P.S. So i read a bit more and found out that the 3in4 module is nothing more than a vented holding case for 4 hard disks. is this correct? So if i am not going to have more than 4 hard disks I only need one. Correct?
 
Joaorv said:
Why is the Raptor a waste? The things I have chosen are pricey but i think so far they are worth the money, or if they aren't point it out to me ;)

I haven't included a physiX card for that reazon, not worth it just yet.

I confess I don't know much about hard disks right now, would the 750 gb seagate be a slow disk? does size affect read/write times significantly? should i go with SATA or RAID? pros cons?
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A raptor is a waste of money because it offers very little performance increase for the price premium. By performance I mean windows starting up a couple of seconds faster and games loading that tiny bit quicker.

That 750gb is poor bang-for-the-buck so you'd be better off going with a couple of 500gb samsung's at $150 a piece: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822152052
 
I would wait to see ATI's offerings before dropping this kindof cash.

the r600's beat the g80's in every benchmark.
 
Joaorv said:
I looked at the olympia, it looks good but not SLI ready. the Zeus 850 is though http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-85zf.htm although 850 might not leave enough room of manouver for the future.

What do you think of this one http://www.tagan.com/pages/products/turboS/e_tg1100_u96.html and this one http://www.topower.com/pwr_top_1000W.html
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The Olympia is MORE than sli ready. It has 4 pci-e 6-pins, and 2 pci-e 8 pins. I don't know of any other power supply on the market more suited.

I'd skip the Tagan and Topower. They cost way more and aren't as good as the Silverstone.
 
Bbq said:
The Olympia is MORE than sli ready. It has 4 pci-e 6-pins, and 2 pci-e 8 pins. I don't know of any other power supply on the market more suited.

I'd skip the Tagan and Topower. They cost way more and aren't as good as the Silverstone.
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I understand, but how come the Olympia does not have the SLI logo and the Zeus has? Would going with the Zeus 850 provide me with enough juice? They surely seem to think so in their page. From the Zeus 850 page:

Enthusiasts can also rejoice in knowing that ST85ZF’s included connectors are capable of powering four high end PCI-Express graphics cards simultaneously with plenty of headroom for numerous other devices.

I'm tempted to go with this one.
 
tisb0b said:
A raptor is a waste of money because it offers very little performance increase for the price premium. By performance I mean windows starting up a couple of seconds faster and games loading that tiny bit quicker.

That 750gb is poor bang-for-the-buck so you'd be better off going with a couple of 500gb samsung's at $150 a piece: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822152052
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Thx mate, gona see if i can read up more on them.
 
filthysanchez said:
I would wait to see ATI's offerings before dropping this kindof cash.

the r600's beat the g80's in every benchmark.
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Could you post a link so I can read up? I'm building this system arround nVidia. I like their products, but if ATI has something up their sleeve... it's somethign to think about. But then would it mean changing the mobo?
 
Joaorv said:
I understand, but how come the Olympia does not have the SLI logo and the Zeus has? Would going with the Zeus 850 provide me with enough juice? They surely seem to think so in their page. From the Zeus 850 page:

Enthusiasts can also rejoice in knowing that ST85ZF’s included connectors are capable of powering four high end PCI-Express graphics cards simultaneously with plenty of headroom for numerous other devices.

I'm tempted to go with this one.
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It's just a certification thing. Probubly just that they haven't gotten around to sli approval yet.

The Zeus 850 will be good to go, too. If you acn swing it though, the olympia, even without the certs, will be an all around better supply.
 
Bbq said:
It's just a certification thing. Probubly just that they haven't gotten around to sli approval yet.

The Zeus 850 will be good to go, too. If you acn swing it though, the olympia, even without the certs, will be an all around better supply.
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I went and compared them to see if i could figure out the diference between one having SLI logo and the other doesn't, if any.

Zeus 850:
Quad +12V rail for superior performance (70A combined)
Quad PCI-E 6pin connectors
Industrial class components
Support for ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS12V
Active PFC
Efficiency greater than 80% (max. 87%)
850W continuous at 50°C & 90V
(1050W continuous at 25°C & 90V)
combined+3.3 , +5V 180W
combined +12V 70A/840W

Olympia1000
Class-leading single +12V rail with 80A ( 88A peak)
1000W continuous power output rated up to 50°C
Quad PCI-E 6pin connectors
Dual PCI-E 8pin connectors
Six serial ATA connectors
Active PFC
Support ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V
1000W continuous at 50°C & 90V (Peak 1100W)
combined+3.3 , +5V 200W

One thing that sticks out is the Z85 has quad rails, while the O100 has only a single rail. What does that mean exacly?

filthysanchez said:
http://level505.com/2006/12/30/the-full-ati-r600-test/1/
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Nice link! 2 questions. can i run 2 R600 on a SLI mobo? when does it come out and will it be more expensive than the G80?
 
filthysanchez said:
http://level505.com/2006/12/30/the-full-ati-r600-test/1/
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Really now???? Even us noobs can smell the b.s. coming from this site! :eek:

When the R600 actually launches it may indeed be faster. But until its in the hands of actual reviewers and us end-users, it is vaporware.

No, I'm not a fan boy of either camp...have an ATI card in this PC, which has been great, and am building a new rig with a NVDA card. No allegiances here, except to the best product of the day. Viva the marketplace.

When the R600 sees the light of day (and it doesn't look like it made it to CES or will make the Vista launch), let us know. But I'm sorry that I cannot take Level505 seriously.

Cheers
 
Blackburn said:
Really now???? Even us noobs can smell the b.s. coming from this site!

When the R600 actually launches it may indeed be faster. But until its in the hands of actual reviewers and us end-users, it is vaporware.

No, I'm not a fan boy of either camp...have an ATI card in this PC, which has been great, and am building a new rig with a NVDA card. No allegiances here, except to the best product of the day. Viva the marketplace.

When the R600 sees the light of day (and it doesn't look like it made it to CES or will make the Vista launch), let us know. But I'm sorry that I cannot take Level505 seriously.

Cheers
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that's why i'd wait for more reviews.

Joaorv said:
Nice link! 2 questions. can i run 2 R600 on a SLI mobo? when does it come out and will it be more expensive than the G80?
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1. No, you'll need an r600 crossfire board, and as of now only one exists.(DFI)
2. Yes, they're supposedly more expenisive then the g80s, but if the results are as shown in the review, then i suppose it'd be worth it.
 
for ur hdd, and im assuming u have money? get two raptor 150 gb's in raid 0 for performance, adn maybe go with 2 500 gb in raid 1 for all ur music and movies and all ur other stuff.
 
filthysanchez said:
1. No, you'll need an r600 crossfire board, and as of now only one exists.(DFI)
2. Yes, they're supposedly more expenisive then the g80s, but if the results are as shown in the review, then i suppose it'd be worth it.
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Ah forget it then, I'm building this one arround the Nvidia board.

Youri Carma said:
If you have Vista on there please report back your findings.
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Don't think anyone has it yet, only out in the end of the month. Well by no one i mean us normal people ;)

lillimon04 said:
for ur hdd, and im assuming u have money? get two raptor 150 gb's in raid 0 for performance, adn maybe go with 2 500 gb in raid 1 for all ur music and movies and all ur other stuff.
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Yeah, I got some money, I don't like to waste but I like to spend on nice stuff every once in a while ;) my current system was bought in september 2001, so is in dire need of replacement.

Thx for the info, those raptors sure seem to be on everyones top list if money is no concern. As for the 500gb ones, what model should i get?

Can you explain to me what SATA and all the Diferent RAID things mean?
Can you also explain to me what exacly a 4-in-3 module does and how many i need?

Would this be a good solution:
2x WD Raptor® X SATA Hard Drive 150 GB, 1.5 Gb/s, 16 MB Cache, 10,000 RPM in RAID 0
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=190
2x WD Caviar® SE16 SATA Hard Drive 500 GB, 300 MB/s, 16 MB Cache, 7200 RPM in RAID 1
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=214

They also have an entreprise series but i'm guessing i should go with the desktop series. Also should I go WB for both or do you recomend somethign else for the 500gb drives?

P.S. Damnit hehe I just checked the price for them.... ouch.very ouch. Gona have to think this through. Maybe go with just 1 of each, or just the 2 500gb ones?
P.P.S. also looking at the speed/s values, seems like maby have 3Gb/s and these seem to have low value by comparisson, i'm confused. Oh but i see the Caviar is 300MB wich is ??Gb/s?

How about these 2: http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...c5fb010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&reqPage=Model and http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...f32b010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&reqPage=Model amd the one sugested by tisb0b: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822152052

Choices choices
 
Maybe you guys know that if you put a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID 0) together you get much higher transfer speed.

The 10.000 raptors are noisy....the WD3200KS and also YS are very quiet.

I think RAID 0 for your OS together with RAID 5 for your files would be a good solution

Also have a look at the new perpendicular HD's

From a reliable testsource:

STM3320820AS Seagate DiamondMax 21, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
The Same as:
ST3320820AS Barracuda 7200.10, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
Read
min/mid/max
39,5/63,3/78,5
Write
min/mid/max
39,5/63,3/78,5

For years 60 has been the norm now almost 80 is realy a step up.
 
i think the 8 day wait to see how the cards perform is worth it.
they're supposd to be 630 bucks a piece also, and i'm sure more people will release the r600 boards soon enough.
 
Youri Carma said:
Maybe you guys know that if you put a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID 0) together you get much higher transfer speed.

The 10.000 raptors are noisy....the WD3200KS and also YS are very quiet.

I think RAID 0 for your OS together with RAID 5 for your files would be a good solution

Also have a look at the new perpendicular HD's

From a reliable testsource:

STM3320820AS Seagate DiamondMax 21, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
The Same as:
ST3320820AS Barracuda 7200.10, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
Read
min/mid/max
39,5/63,3/78,5
Write
min/mid/max
39,5/63,3/78,5

For years 60 has been the norm now almost 80 is realy a step up.
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I found a guide on RAID http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/RAID-FAQ-V1-ftopict43125.html I didn't know that some of the RAID solutions mirror your files, it gives you more security yeah but basicaly with two drives you are realy only making use of one, for max storage purposes, cause one is a mirror. I'm thinking the storage 500gb one I will not run it in RAID.

The RAID 0 is great and as you said, it can make "lesser" disks perform better. I'm taken a bit aback by the price of the raptors. Of course I don't want to buy slugs, but maybe two slighttly less powerfull disks but much cheaper would be the best solution as sugested.

Apart from the Raptors what is the second best disks out there that are noticibly cheaper but not much worst? also what is the best single hard disk for storage in terms of performnce/ max storage.
 
Joaorv said:
Ah forget it then, I'm building this one arround the Nvidia board.


Don't think anyone has it yet, only out in the end of the month. Well by no one i mean us normal people ;)


Yeah, I got some money, I don't like to waste but I like to spend on nice stuff every once in a while ;) my current system was bought in september 2001, so is in dire need of replacement.

Thx for the info, those raptors sure seem to be on everyones top list if money is no concern. As for the 500gb ones, what model should i get?

Can you explain to me what SATA and all the Diferent RAID things mean?
Can you also explain to me what exacly a 4-in-3 module does and how many i need?

Would this be a good solution:
2x WD Raptor® X SATA Hard Drive 150 GB, 1.5 Gb/s, 16 MB Cache, 10,000 RPM in RAID 0
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=190
2x WD Caviar® SE16 SATA Hard Drive 500 GB, 300 MB/s, 16 MB Cache, 7200 RPM in RAID 1
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=214

They also have an entreprise series but i'm guessing i should go with the desktop series. Also should I go WB for both or do you recomend somethign else for the 500gb drives?

P.S. Damnit hehe I just checked the price for them.... ouch.very ouch. Gona have to think this through. Maybe go with just 1 of each, or just the 2 500gb ones?
P.P.S. also looking at the speed/s values, seems like maby have 3Gb/s and these seem to have low value by comparisson, i'm confused. Oh but i see the Caviar is 300MB wich is ??Gb/s?

How about these 2: http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...c5fb010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&reqPage=Model and http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...f32b010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&reqPage=Model amd the one sugested by tisb0b: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822152052

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well the raptors r very expensive. so just buy one now. and those two WD 500gb, they r good drives, and raid 0 is for performance,(all raid is very complicated, so search for better explanations) and raid 1 is for backing up all ur stuff, it shows the 2 500gb put together as 500gb because it puts the info on both the drives at the same time. and the 3/gs is just another name for sata2, all sata2's go 300mb
 
Joaorv said:
I found a guide on RAID http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/RAID-FAQ-V1-ftopict43125.html I didn't know that some of the RAID solutions mirror your files, it gives you more security yeah but basicaly with two drives you are realy only making use of one, for max storage purposes, cause one is a mirror. I'm thinking the storage 500gb one I will not run it in RAID.

The RAID 0 is great and as you said, it can make "lesser" disks perform better. I'm taken a bit aback by the price of the raptors. Of course I don't want to buy slugs, but maybe two slighttly less powerfull disks but much cheaper would be the best solution as sugested.

Apart from the Raptors what is the second best disks out there that are noticibly cheaper but not much worst? also what is the best single hard disk for storage in terms of performnce/ max storage.
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the raptor 74gb ones, if u can find them. and if u put two of these in raid 0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822152020 then u would still have hella performance in gaming. and the 500gb would work in raid 1, no reason for not
 
Joaorv said:
It can hold 9 120mm fans, that 4 in 3 thing, waht type of fan is it? whats the benefit over the other fans, looks rather bulky, is it a super exaust fan or something? Thx for the sugestion for the cpu fan, would you go with one model (of the two you sugested) over the other or they about same? I'm gona google them and read up on them too.

P.S found the multi quite thingy, thx ;)
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thats assuming you use 3 4-in-3 modules, which would leave you no room for anything like optical drives, fan controllers or anything else you would put in those slots.

there are plenty of people who swear by both of those hsfs, i'd just go for the cheapest and make sure to get some thermal good paste, like arctic cooling silver 5.
 
GMoney42392 said:
thats assuming you use 3 4-in-3 modules, which would leave you no room for anything like optical drives, fan controllers or anything else you would put in those slots.

there are plenty of people who swear by both of those hsfs, i'd just go for the cheapest and make sure to get some thermal good paste, like arctic cooling silver 5.
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I still don't understadn what a 4-in-3 module realy is for, it's a box with a fan that uses up your floppy/HD slots?

From the Case specifications: http://www.coolermaster.com/index.p...&other_title=+RC-830+CM%20Stacker 830 Evo
5.25 inch 9 (Exposed)
3.5 inch 4 (Hidden) from 1 x 4-in-3 Device Module included; 1 x 3.5
Cooling System Front Fan (Intake): One 120x120x25 mm, 1200 rpm, 22dBA(LED); Rear Fan (Exhaust): One 120x120x25 mm, 1200 rpm, 22 dBA
UP to 9 x 120mm fans (optional) ; Front x 3,Top x 1, Rear x 1, Side x 4 (Side fan bracket is also for 140mm x 4 or 120mm x 4 or 92mm x 4 or 80mm x 4 or 60mm x 4, or 300mm Cross Flow Fan x1 or MIX)
Expansion Slots 7

How did you come up with the 3 extra 4-in-3? If i'm reading it right, i can put 9 120x120x25 fans in it independent of how many 4-in-3 i have. It also comes with a 4-in-3 from waht i understand. But i still don't know if i need it, if i need more or what.

Any light shed on this would be appreciated ;)

Oh and the fan, I think i'm going with the turniq :D
 
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