Help me build a system

Joaorv said:
I still don't understadn what a 4-in-3 module realy is for, it's a box with a fan that uses up your floppy/HD slots?

From the Case specifications: http://www.coolermaster.com/index.p...RC-830&other_title=+RC-830+CM Stacker 830 Evo
5.25 inch 9 (Exposed)
3.5 inch 4 (Hidden) from 1 x 4-in-3 Device Module included; 1 x 3.5
Cooling System Front Fan (Intake): One 120x120x25 mm, 1200 rpm, 22dBA(LED); Rear Fan (Exhaust): One 120x120x25 mm, 1200 rpm, 22 dBA
UP to 9 x 120mm fans (optional) ; Front x 3,Top x 1, Rear x 1, Side x 4 (Side fan bracket is also for 140mm x 4 or 120mm x 4 or 92mm x 4 or 80mm x 4 or 60mm x 4, or 300mm Cross Flow Fan x1 or MIX)
Expansion Slots 7

How did you come up with the 3 extra 4-in-3? If i'm reading it right, i can put 9 120x120x25 fans in it independent of how many 4-in-3 i have. It also comes with a 4-in-3 from waht i understand. But i still don't know if i need it, if i need more or what.

Any light shed on this would be appreciated ;)

Oh and the fan, I think i'm going with the turniq :D
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anandtech has a review for the tuniq. a link is in another thread on the forum. a 4-in-3 module fits into any 3 of the external 5.25" slots on your case. these add hd brackets and another fan, but you are incapable of mounting a dvd drive in the slots occupied by one of these modules. ive seen this case at a fry's, and there are only 6 fan holes on the case without any 4-in-3 modules. i'd add one for the extra cooling without sacrificing and significant space on your case's front panel. hope this clears things up.
 
GMoney42392 said:
anandtech has a review for the tuniq. a link is in another thread on the forum. a 4-in-3 module fits into any 3 of the external 5.25" slots on your case. these add hd brackets and another fan, but you are incapable of mounting a dvd drive in the slots occupied by one of these modules. ive seen this case at a fry's, and there are only 6 fan holes on the case without any 4-in-3 modules. i'd add one for the extra cooling without sacrificing and significant space on your case's front panel. hope this clears things up.
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Thx man, that helps. Since you saw the case in person, help me figure somethign out, because I'm thinking of replacing the cooler master fans with silenX ones, and I want to make sure of exacly how many I need.

On the case page they say it comes with an intake fan on the front and an exaust on the back. It also says it comes with a 4-in-3 included. On this page http://www.coolermaster.com/moreimages.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&p_serial=RC-830 we can clearly see that at least the 4 side and the top fan is not a 4-in-1 so thats 5 fans, wich of the front or the back is the 3-in-4 fan and does that one work as an intake or an exaust?.

It also says it has up to nine 5.25" Drives, These are the DVD/CD sized bays right? Now all the 4-in-3 does is conver 3 of those into four 3.5" drives. So with one 4-in-3 module you would have six 5.25" drives left and with two 4-in-3 modules you would have three 5.25" drives left. Each 4-in-3 module adds a fan and room for 4 Hard disk drives. Did I get it right?

One thing i'm confused thoguh is the front Fan wich is an intake fan is a LED fan, did they put a LED fan inside the 4-in-3 module? and can i change the 4-in-3 module fans easely?
Cause the 4-in-one modules i think go in the front. So that's got to be the intake. And the one at the rear is an exaust (normal fan not 4-in-3) correct?

Man that official page has the worth features explanation ever. Thx for the help again.

So, things I can be sure of:
(1) Top 120x120x25 silenX fan
(4) Side 120x120x25 silenX fan
up to (3) 4-in-3 modules with 120mm fans at the front (use only one, case comes with one originaly)
(1) rear 120x120x25 silenX fan (replace the original one)
Total: up to 9 fans, only gona use 6+1 4-in-3 module

Did i finaly get it right? :D

Then I would fill the 5.25" bays as such:
(#1) DVD/Cd burner
(#2) Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty Front Panel
(#3) Empty? Add a temp monitor or something?
(#4-6) Empty? Add another 4-in-3 for ventilation?
(#7-9) 4-in3-module with HD disks inside (up to 4 HDD)

Seems odd though, that the intake has to be made by a 4-in-3 module, and wouldn't loading the module with 4 HDD block the air flow?

Are side and top fans intake or exaust? What's the best cooling configuration for this case? I reason that the best cooling would come from the best ariflow through the case, intake/exaust and not just from blowing a lot of air into the case with no exaust.

P.S. It does come with a floppy drive room right? no need to convert one of the bays.
 
AS to optical drives. I was looking at the plextor ones:

Plextor PX-755SA (Internal SATA)
http://www.plextor.com/english/products/755SA.htm
Or
Plextor PX-716SA (Internal SATA)
http://www.plextor.com/english/products/716SA.htm
Or
Plextor PX-760A
http://www.plextor.com/english/products/760A.htm

Wich one of these is better, and should I buy some other brand?

Does anyone know a good brand for floppy disk?

Thx :)

P.S. Once I have the A list ready, I'll make 3 seperate build lists for diferent budgets, cause i might not be able to afford this. I mean I can afford it, but I'm not sure I Want to lol. Probably will have to cut a few things.
 
I would just get the 8800GTX's, If you go top end, those things are going to be scary fast for at least a year, and god only knows when you will be able to get your paws on an R600, let alone 2 of em, not to mention motherboard/chipset support, nvidia has always kicked ATi's ass in this.
 
AdamNesvick said:
I would just get the 8800GTX's, If you go top end, those things are going to be scary fast for at least a year, and god only knows when you will be able to get your paws on an R600, let alone 2 of em, not to mention motherboard/chipset support, nvidia has always kicked ATi's ass in this.
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Yep, I'm considering only one for now and a second oen only when the price drops or i see the performance need. Same thing for the RAM, maybe go with 2GB now and add another 2GB later on based on price drops/ performance need. That should save me over 1000 $US right there.

The hard disks is where I am more undecided. Buy two good but not best ones and set them in raid? buy a raptor and a big good one and don't use raid. buy 2 raptors and 2 big good ones and set them in raid. I could save quite a bit of money there too. I just don't want to go cheap on it, but also don't want to spend more than I have to.

Then of course I could always go for a E6600 instead of the QX6700 and save even more but that's another thing...
 
Be aware! there are problems with the nForce 5 (590 chipset) and the WD3200KS also YS especially in RAID 0.

Funny thing I bought my 4x WD3200KS cause there where problems with the Maxtor's and the nForce4 also on the A8N-SLI DL.
 
Youri Carma said:
Be aware! there are problems with the nForce 5 (590 chipset) and the WD3200KS also YS especially in RAID 0.

Funny thing I bought my 4x WD3200KS cause there where problems with the Maxtor's and the nForce4 also on the A8N-SLI DL.
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Thx for the heads up. The chipset is gona be the 680i, so shouldn't affect.

I'm thinking about this:
2x Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/s 250-GB Hard Drive (ST3250620AS) in RAID 0
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...c5fb010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&reqPage=Model

Sounds like a solid enough choice and will reduce the price a lot. What does everyone think?

P.S. make that the 320 GB, price diference is negligeble.

2x Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/s 320-GB Hard Drive (ST3320620AS) in RAID 0
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...5fb010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&reqPage=Model#
 
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Please check the first page list again adn give me feedback on what you think of the build :)
 
Joaorv said:
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Please check the first page list again adn give me feedback on what you think of the build :)
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looks good to me. only thing is who exactly is ponying up for this. this is easily a $3k-$4k pc, so if ur buyin all that crap yourself, i wanna know what you do for teh moneyz :D.
 
Nice build. My only suggestions are possibly like someone stated earlier go with smaller Raptor HDD for the OS and large for the rest of the storage.

Also IMO you get more bang if you go with dual 7950's rather than 1 8800. But if your definetly gonna go the 8800 sli's in the near future then stick with what you got. And i'm not sure if i noticed it but the Fatal1ty's VGA and CPU coolers are great might want to look into those as well.

Either way great build you'll have fun with it.

Gotta ask though why the floopy i rarely seem them going into builds anymore :)
 
Pegesus said:
Also IMO you get more bang if you go with dual 7950's rather than 1 8800. But if your definetly gonna go the 8800 sli's in the near future then stick with what you got. And i'm not sure if i noticed it but the Fatal1ty's VGA and CPU coolers are great might want to look into those as well.
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I don't see how that would be better bang for his buck when 1 8800GTX beats 7950GX2 Quad SLI in almost everything, and would be quite a bit cheaper. Also, there aren't any aftermarket coolers that fit on the 8800's, at least not to my knowledge.
 
I would go with Crucial Ballistix RAM.

I have the same EVGA mobo and it seems very picky with certain RAM... especially with corsair. It's like a hit or miss. Lots of issues with system not even posting or cold boot issues. People seem to be having the most succuess with Crucial... besides its a great overclocker.

My OCZ 2GB kit is having issues with the mobo so I'm in the middle of an RMA exchange for some Crucial.

http://evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21137 For more info.
 
Joaorv said:
AS to optical drives. I was looking at the plextor ones:

Plextor PX-755SA (Internal SATA)
http://www.plextor.com/english/products/755SA.htm
Or
Plextor PX-716SA (Internal SATA)
http://www.plextor.com/english/products/716SA.htm
Or
Plextor PX-760A
http://www.plextor.com/english/products/760A.htm
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You will never go wrong with a Plextor writer. Absolutely top of the line. More expensive, but if you do a lot of burning, you'll be happy with the ease of operation, longevity, and general high quality.

As so SATA or E-IDE.... I dunno, myself. I hope somebody else can chime in regarding the benefits of each.

Steve
 
GMoney42392 said:
looks good to me. only thing is who exactly is ponying up for this. this is easily a $3k-$4k pc, so if ur buyin all that crap yourself, i wanna know what you do for teh moneyz :D.
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Yep, it's probably gona come out right arround $4k. But I like to build a killer system every 5 years or so. I work for a living, so i'm gona be the one ponying up the money, no one else to do it for me ;)


Pegesus said:
Nice build. My only suggestions are possibly like someone stated earlier go with smaller Raptor HDD for the OS and large for the rest of the storage.

Also IMO you get more bang if you go with dual 7950's rather than 1 8800. But if your definetly gonna go the 8800 sli's in the near future then stick with what you got. And i'm not sure if i noticed it but the Fatal1ty's VGA and CPU coolers are great might want to look into those as well.

Either way great build you'll have fun with it.

Gotta ask though why the floopy i rarely seem them going into builds anymore :)
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Yeah, those smaller raptors also look good and better price. One thing though, they are in the enterprise section over at WD website, why not in desktop section? only raptor in desktop section is the 150GB X, and is more expensive than the raptor 150GB in the entreprise section. Any reason? they seem to be same performance. What I'm gona do I check the prices on all those drives when I go to buy the computer and make my decision based on the price, of course idealy i'd like to have the raptors 150, then the 74s then the seagate 320s etc etc.It's gona come down, to what hurts more, not having the disks or making a bigger whole on my wallet :D

Yeah, I'll be going 2x 8800s, it's only a matter of when the price drops and when I need the performance boost.

The floppy, I don't know, old habbit I guess, Think i'll try and leave it out, can't recall the last time i used a floppy disk to be honest.

Thx!


dotCapone said:
I don't see how that would be better bang for his buck when 1 8800GTX beats 7950GX2 Quad SLI in almost everything, and would be quite a bit cheaper. Also, there aren't any aftermarket coolers that fit on the 8800's, at least not to my knowledge.
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The one from eVGA that i'm going to buy comes overclocked and with a cooler fan. I think there is one BFG water cooled and I think that company that sells freezone has a quad sli cooling solution.


ZzBloopzZ said:
I would go with Crucial Ballistix RAM.

I have the same EVGA mobo and it seems very picky with certain RAM... especially with corsair. It's like a hit or miss. Lots of issues with system not even posting or cold boot issues. People seem to be having the most succuess with Crucial... besides its a great overclocker.

My OCZ 2GB kit is having issues with the mobo so I'm in the middle of an RMA exchange for some Crucial.

http://evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21137 For more info.
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Thx for the info, I checked the 2GB kit (1GBx2) — BL2KIT12864AA1005 DDR2 PC2-8000 NON-ECC UNBUFFERED http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/st...i+SLI+(122-CK-NF68-AR)&WSPN=BL2KIT12864AA1005 and it seems prety damn nice. One thing though, it doesn't come with fans?

The Corsairs ram i'm looking at buying ahs been tested 100% at 1250 Mhz with the eVGA mobo, so it should be good to go and it comes with fans.

I will check the price for both, when two things are good the price always helps decide ;)

Thx.


steveak said:
You will never go wrong with a Plextor writer. Absolutely top of the line. More expensive, but if you do a lot of burning, you'll be happy with the ease of operation, longevity, and general high quality.

As so SATA or E-IDE.... I dunno, myself. I hope somebody else can chime in regarding the benefits of each.

Steve
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Thx for the input, The diference between the two SATA plextors is basicaly the Plextor PX-755SA is a bit faster on some things but the PX-716SA has a bigger buffer and is a bit more expensive. I'll check them out too, and price will be a deciding factor. I don't burn a whole lot of DVDs so the lite-on might do the job for now.

Thx everyone for the input!
 
Well I haven't used the 755SA, but I have the 716SA and love it. Very fast, has not burned a single bad disc, and the SATA is very nice, it helps with cable management.
 
dotCapone said:
Well I haven't used the 755SA, but I have the 716SA and love it. Very fast, has not burned a single bad disc, and the SATA is very nice, it helps with cable management.
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Thx! Nothing like first hand experience. This will help me decide.
 
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