Haswell News

If it has solder instead of thermal paste under the IHS i might consider an upgrade...that 7%ish increase goes up quite a bit if we can actually harness the full OC potential without delidding.
 
For Photoshop and the like it looks like waiting for Haswell is the way to go. Personally I would just wait it out a couple months no matter what if I'd been waiting for years as there is a small improvement for everything and a major improvement for some specific operations.
 
Zomoa said:
If it has solder instead of thermal paste under the IHS i might consider an upgrade...that 7%ish increase goes up quite a bit if we can actually harness the full OC potential without delidding.
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I'm in the same boat, i might consider an upgrade if the IHS is soldered.
 
I'm thinking haswell might be a nice upgrade from my 1090T (gaming) setup. Will I be able to re-use my 32G of ddr3?

I really need a MC deal on haswell before I jump.
 
Robstar said:
I'm thinking haswell might be a nice upgrade from my 1090T (gaming) setup. Will I be able to re-use my 32G of ddr3?

I really need a MC deal on haswell before I jump.
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You should be able to, I see no reason it won't be compatible. It's still going to be 4 DIMM slots and dual-channel memory on the Haswell boards.

DDR4 won't be available [for consumers/non-server folks] until Broadwell is released.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
That's interesting, it would explain all the rumors about IB-E being cancelled. I thought it was odd that their extreme platform was lagging behind the mainstream platform. The only downside is no drop-in upgrades for Sandy Bridge E users.
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That's too bad, I just moved to LGA2011 last summer thinking I could drop in an IB-E chip the following year.
 
I'm curious, short of going Xeon workstation is it going to be impossible to get a chip that doesn't have a GPU (which from my limited understanding - either software or drivers won't let you use if you're using a real man's video card aka pretty much anything over 40 USD)
 
Intel's position since Nehalem was that they only officially supported 1.5v RAM on their CPUs, and anything higher has the potential to damage the IMC. I doubt this position will change with Haswell as the trend keeps moving towards lower voltage RAM.
 
Raghar said:
Is there any info about 6-core CPUs?
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Only that none will be on lga1150. It's not clear if SB-E or Haswell-E will be the next lga2011 chip. If its Haswell-E this will likely need a new socket since Haswell-E will use DDR4.
 
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Fort_Major said:
I'm curious, short of going Xeon workstation is it going to be impossible to get a chip that doesn't have a GPU (which from my limited understanding - either software or drivers won't let you use if you're using a real man's video card aka pretty much anything over 40 USD)
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You can use the integrated GPU to drive extra monitors alongside your dedicated GPU. I'm driving 2 monitors from my GTX480 as well as 2 extra monitors from the 2600 in my work PC and it's fantastic. :) I have both Nvidia and Intel graphic drivers installed...windows is smart enough to know what it needs to do. You need to force the IGP to always be on in the bios but overall it's really straightforward.
 
drescherjm said:
Only that none will be on lga1150. It's not clear if SB-E or Haswell-E will be the next lga2011 chip. If its Haswell-E this will likely need a new socket since Haswell-E will use DDR4.
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When do we think Haswell-E will land and at what sort of price? 2nd to best CPU at c£500?
 
Syphon Filter said:
When do we think Haswell-E will land and at what sort of price? 2nd to best CPU at c£500?
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One article stated sometime in 2014 when the server variants-- Haswell-EP and Haswell-EN-- are released.

So, probably consider 1 year after Haswell (LGA1150) is released this June.
 
That's a bit too far away for my liking.

I'm considering a not insignificant build and I've put together ballpark figures based on a 3930k/2011 mobo.

However, I am loathed to spend on a platform that is, to all intents and purposes, EOL (especially if IB-E is never released/the last CPU to use 2011).

Maybe I will end up going for a s1150 build based on Haswell instead. I can't keep waiting forever.

Having said that, I am also concerned that the current batch of GPUs have been around for over a year???

I've been out of the loop for sometime (last machine died back in the mid-2000s)...but back then I am fairly sure it common to see a GPU every 12 months or so with interim refreshes too.

Have things slowed down a bit on the GPU side while sockets seem to be churning faster (new Intel socket every 24 months) :confused:

I'm Hard Gawd but a little rusty :rolleyes: :D
 
Zomoa said:
You can use the integrated GPU to drive extra monitors alongside your dedicated GPU. I'm driving 2 monitors from my GTX480 as well as 2 extra monitors from the 2600 in my work PC and it's fantastic. :) I have both Nvidia and Intel graphic drivers installed...windows is smart enough to know what it needs to do. You need to force the IGP to always be on in the bios but overall it's really straightforward.
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Would be interesting to see how it responds when you run HW Accelerated applications (e.g. IE/FF/Chrome with HW acceleration enabled) on the non-primary video card. I am guessing that the same pitfalls exist where the application is pinned to primary GPU(s) and then transfers everything to secondary video card, which quite often results excessive memory allocation and then when it gets bad enough DWM trying to kill itself.

I can see the reasoning behind putting this gimped video chip on the GPU for lower-mid. I just thought that a lot of the i7-x7xx line was more higher end. Meaning you automatically don't want Intel's integrated crap.
 
Syphon Filter said:
Having said that, I am also concerned that the current batch of GPUs have been around for over a year???

I've been out of the loop for sometime (last machine died back in the mid-2000s)...but back then I am fairly sure it common to see a GPU every 12 months or so with interim refreshes too.

Have things slowed down a bit on the GPU side while sockets seem to be churning faster (new Intel socket every 24 months) :confused:

I'm Hard Gawd but a little rusty :rolleyes: :D
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Computer buying trends are changing quite rapidly. I would assume this is merely a correction by the industry(s) to try to compensate a bit.
 
Rogue007 said:
2 Dutch websites are listing the 4770k for sale, though not currently in stock.
1st store is MaxICT who are listing it at 330 Euro ($424.88)
2nd store is TakeItNow who are listing it at Euro 350 ($450.63)
In the Netherlands an I7 3770k currently retails for Euro 316 ($406.85).

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-Haswell-Flagship-TakeItNow-MaxICT,21594.html
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Man, computer manufacturing/buying trends must really be changing.

That's an expensive chip to have so much of all resources be wasted on a GPU that ultimately will probably be pretty useless most of the time to most of the people buying it.
 
So the pricing of the 4770k is, by and large, in line with the pricing of the current 3770k.

Fort_Major said:
Computer buying trends are changing quite rapidly. I would assume this is merely a correction by the industry(s) to try to compensate a bit.
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So would you say the GPU sector has slowed a little (possibly intentionally)?

Like I said, my last machine was a Northwood CPU on an Abit (remember them?) IC7-MAXIII :D I'm struggling to remember the GPUs I had though, BFG 6800Ultra comes to mind and I also had a Sapphire ATI card, possibly a 9800XT?

Before that I had an Athlon setup also on an Abit board I think (Geforce 2 IIRC).

A golden era indeed!
 
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So the pricing of the 4770k is, by and large, in line with the pricing of the current 3770k.

So would you say the GPU sector has slowed a little (possibly intentionally)?

Like I said, my last machine was a Northwood CPU on an Abit (remember them?) IC7-MAXIII :D I'm struggling to remember the GPUs I had though, BFG 6800Ultra comes to mind and I also had a Sapphire ATI card, possibly a 9800XT?

Before that I had an Athlon setup also on an Abit board I think (Geforce 2 IIRC).

A golden era indeed!
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You mean nForce2. Yes, I remember the Abit nf7 boards. .... that was a Golden era indeed!! I am using a Soltek (remember them?) Golden Flame nForce2 system to type this. And it's my top end system :D (see my sig). Needless to say, I can a wait a little longer until Haswell is released but anxiously awaiting an upgrade. Upgrade upgrade ... need an upgrade!!
 
No sorry, I meant I had an Abit board with a Geforce2 GPU (on AGP no less IIRC). I remember sticking it in the freeze to fit a (very crappy) Blue Orb cooler on it!!!
 
^^ Yes, I had a BFG 6800ultra too. Then I upgraded to my current Leadtek 7800gts. AGP cards ... wonder how many [H]ere are still running these?
Too bad the AGP club thread is now dead meat. Guess no one cares any more. :D

>> AGP club thread
 
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Historically I was a PC gamer through the early Athlon days and then the P4-Northwood days.

However when my last PC died (IC7-M3 went pop) I didn't get around to doing a new build. Then XBox/XBox 360 kind of took over my gaming life. A lot of the games were cross platform and XBL became VERY good (IMO).

I toyed with doing a new build numerous times. If you look at my posting history you will that I was close to pulling the trigger a number of times but I could never justify it. I had the money but I just couldn't bring myself to do it for whatever reason.

I am now looking at PC gaming again (hence my interest in Haswell/HW-E) but it seems the game has changed a little.

I can't believe people are rocking CPUs that are 3-5 years old and they're still relevant. It's great to be honest, a slower cycle is better in my opinion. Same goes for GPUs, things seemed to have slowed.

However, with the current Intel socket being EOL and the GPUs being quite old too I'm just wondering if the time to build would be AFTER the next-gen consoles have been released. I don't know the logic behind that, just a feeling.
 
Same boat here. Almost pulled the trigger on a new system numerous times but other projects got in the way. Being an avid FPS gamer I just couldn't deal without mouse control on console gaming.

Fortunately I stocked up on refurbed Soltek nForce2 boards ($19) and unlocked Athlon CPU on the cheap back in 2005-2006 before they became dinosaurs. Or I'd have been forced to do a total upgrade long ago.

Interestingly, a [H] member is looking to build a 2005 era gaming system (see link below) to test the speed of current games. And how needing to upgrade a PC compares to consoles. But this is a Haswell thread so I'll take this over there.

>> Wanted: 2005 era GPU, CPU, MB, RAM, HDD
 
ShuttleLuv said:
http://wccftech.com/asrock-showcase...therboards-cebit-2013-based-z87-h87-chipsets/

Asrock Haswell mobos
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ShuttleLuv said:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30657-msi-showcases-z87-motherboard


MSI showcases Z87 motherboard


Apparantly it's not coated right now so it looks like a 90's mobo, but is that a bad thing? I like that old BX6 / BH6 look!
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Wait, I still see a pretty robust VRM array on those MoBos... Isn't the VRM all on the CPU with Haswell?
 
Wait, I still see a pretty robust VRM array on those MoBos... Isn't the VRM all on the CPU with Haswell?
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The small controller chip is on the CPU the mosfets and coils will still be on the motherboard.
 
Raghar said:
Is there any info about 6-core CPUs?
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That won't fit in socket 1150. There's definitely going to be a 6-core (maybe 8?) Ivy Bridge-E for 2011, but not until Q3/Q4 2013. Haswell would likely follow 2 years behind that, but only assuming it's actually released for 2011 in the first place.

Fort_Major said:
Man, computer manufacturing/buying trends must really be changing.

That's an expensive chip to have so much of all resources be wasted on a GPU that ultimately will probably be pretty useless most of the time to most of the people buying it.
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The overwhelming majority of these chips will be in laptops. If you consider that nearly 3/4 of all PCs sold are laptops, then the die space and resources wasted on the on-die GPU make far more sense.
 
pelo said:
The overwhelming majority of these chips will be in laptops. If you consider that nearly 3/4 of all PCs sold are laptops, then the die space and resources wasted on the on-die GPU make far more sense.
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Okay, that make more sense then.

But still, say no to Intel graphics, seriously. Just say no, unless its in a switchover so you can get a real video card when you need it (which is pretty much for any game that isn't WOW or Skyrim or Angry Birds).
 
Fort_Major said:
Okay, that make more sense then.

But still, say no to Intel graphics, seriously. Just say no, unless its in a switchover so you can get a real video card when you need it (which is pretty much for any game that isn't WOW or Skyrim or Angry Birds).
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Intel graphics is fine for general usage, good for backup purposes, and have been getting better for gaming. Still can't match AMD's APUs though.
 
Tsumi said:
Intel graphics is fine for general usage, good for backup purposes, and have been getting better for gaming. Still can't match AMD's APUs though.
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Exactly. In laptops it's great for a switchover where you switch over it any time you do anything that requires an actual video card. When you don't need a real video card you can use the Intel and have low power consumption.
 
i was considering buying the i3-3225. Should I just go ahead and buy it, or wait until more news about Haswell?
 
Fort_Major said:
Exactly. In laptops it's great for a switchover where you switch over it any time you do anything that requires an actual video card. When you don't need a real video card you can use the Intel and have low power consumption.
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I would like to see this feature make it to the desktop, and have eyefinity/nvsurround capabilities at the same time.

Think about it, completely powering down your graphics cards saves a bunch of power, especially for SLI and crossfire systems.
 
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