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hacking.... its getting too easy on pc

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Its getting to the point where I cannot play BC2 on the weekends. Thats when the hackers come out.

Ands its really starting to piss me off. I've got almost 500hrs into BC2. I'm not one to call hacks every time I get killed. I KNOW when people are doing things they cant possibly be doing.

But it gets ridiculous being 1 shot'd by people form across the map. Being shot by people who arent even looking at you. Watching people guns snap all over the place on kill cam.

If consoles had proper kb/m support I'd ditch the pc in an INSTANT!

*not to say consoles dont have cheaters too.... but alot less prevalant.


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ps. posting this in game in BC2 via steam web browser.
 
I watched a guy alternate dropping med kits and ammo crates while using an engi gun to kill me from quite a distance.

I agree.
 
The most fun is had when a game is first released. After a few months, it goes down hill.
Get BF3 early before the sour grapes spoil it next year.
 
its not that its getting to easy.. its that game developers are to lazy and use a generic hit box registration system.. they basically just port the cheats from one game to the next. until the game developers actually come up with a different hit box system.. say something that is more realtime then the problem will always be there. the second issue is that companies like PB and VAC(valve) rely on those cheaters to keep their software relevant(or stay in business in the case of PB).


HeavensCloud said:
I watched a guy alternate dropping med kits and ammo crates while using an engi gun to kill me from quite a distance.

I agree.
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i've done that before, alternated between a sniper kit, my engie kit and an assault kit since they were all sitting in the same spot after i killed them.. pissed people off so much but it was awesome. though i typically do it between my kit and a sniper kit since it allows me to AT-4 heli's and snipe noob arse snipers camped out in the trees on heavy metal.


the other thing thats really starting to get annoying is all these stupid kids calling people hackers just because the person that killed them is better then they are.. i get called a hacker 5-6 times a day because dumb kids have no comprehension that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CHEAT WITH THE AT-4!!! i'm just fecking better then you, get over it and try harder to dodge my missiles..


pro tip: find servers that use PB streaming and stick to those servers. it will solve all your problems. the server i play on(have over 700 hours on it) gets 1 hacker every couple of months on average and is banned within the first 5 minutes they are on the server..
 
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I just don't get why people cheat. Like, I can see why pro gamers or people who are trying to go pro would have incentive to cheat (not that the incentive justifies it), but people in public games? WHY?
 
WorldExclusive said:
Get BF3 early before the sour grapes spoil it next year.
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Meh, professional hacks are available at game release.


sirmonkey1985 said:
pro tip: find servers that use PB streaming and stick to those servers. it will solve all your problems. the server i play on(have over 700 hours on it) gets 1 hacker every couple of months on average and is banned within the first 5 minutes they are on the server..
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PB Streaming doesn't keep professional hacks out, you probably just got lucky that the folks who join were all using the free hacks that are out there.
 
ive only been playing bc2 for a couple of months, but jesus I see "xxxxx has been banned for multihack(7845756)" like every few minutes while playing. I can only imagine those who arnt getting caught.
 
This is why I only play on servers with admins that have brain and are militant and mean and ban people on the spot as soon as its obvious they are hackers.

Personally, I think most admins should ALL share ban lists (have it set where bans received because of cheating as opposed to someone just being a dick). And ban with extreme prejudice. Do it all of the time and pretty soon the servers (the good ones that aren't run by fail admins) will clear up very soon.

Also, admins should be able to ghost first person any player to ascertain if someone is accused and they aren't sure. It's not fucking rocket science, DICE need to do this no matter what. No excuse to not have a ghosting option for admins. Relying on PB is about as fail as you can get. It sucked when Counter Strike beta ran it, it sucks now (yes, I played CS beta before half of you were even out of kindergarten :p) .

This way innocent players won't get banned as much. And if an admin bans someone as a cheater just to be a dick to the person who got banned, boohoo, rather have cheater-less servers with a few innocent jerkoffs banned than the bullshit that's out today. And yes, the weekend it seems all the script kiddies are home and want to take their frustration out on everyone because their cashiers job at Gamestop pisses them off so much.

I am a complete and utter Nazi when it comes to cheaters in MP games. I would rather every single one of them die a horrible death by setting in acid while having their tiny pubescent balls torn off by rottweilers. Yes, I hate people like that. Deal with it.
 
I think I have seen maybe 8 or 9 hackers in BC2 with nearly 500 hours played. I get called a hacker pretty much daily with my KILLER 1.70 KDR lol. I always find it funny the guy that is 6/18 is the one crying hacks! I'm not saying you aren't running into hackers, but it is not nearly as rampant as you let on.

Yesterday in Vietnam I shot a guy dead with rockets from the Huey and he constantly called me a hacker the rest of the round, so sad!
 
Radical said:
I just don't get why people cheat. Like, I can see why pro gamers or people who are trying to go pro would have incentive to cheat (not that the incentive justifies it), but people in public games? WHY?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3n0vBcW5fc

Here is your answer. Seriously, my cousin did cheat all the time and I asked him why, he said because its fun pissing people off.
 
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Radical said:
I just don't get why people cheat. Like, I can see why pro gamers or people who are trying to go pro would have incentive to cheat (not that the incentive justifies it), but people in public games? WHY?
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Because they can and it pisses people off. This is nothing new I ran into my first aimbot back in Quake 2. In UT99 and UT2004 I knew a ton of people that would never cheat in a clan match (though there were others that did) but would constantly go out and grief the ever living shit out of public servers with all manner of hacks just to piss people off and then cycle through stolen CD keys to get around bans and keep terrorizing the same people over and over again.

The PC FPS scene has always been known as the most racist, sexist, social inept nerd scene out there, and the griefers and cheaters are a natural extension of that.
 
I ran into two cheaters in BFBC2 last weekend - both admitted it in the chatbox. There wasn't any server admins online and PB is useless so everyone else just abandoned the server. I had an awesome connection to the server as well, no lag, so was especially disappointing.

Saying that BFBC2 doesn't have cheaters is no less ridiculous than saying CODMW2 never had cheaters. The only difference between the two is the ability for admins to kick suspected cheaters in BFBC2...which is null and void if they aren't online at the time.

sd11 said:
The PC FPS scene has always been known as the most racist, sexist, social inept nerd scene out there
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I think you need to go play Halo or COD on the XBox for a while and reassess that viewpoint.
 
Plague_Injected said:
I ran into two cheaters in BFBC2 last weekend - both admitted it in the chatbox. There wasn't any server admins online and PB is useless so everyone else just abandoned the server. I had an awesome connection to the server as well, no lag, so was especially disappointing.

Saying that BFBC2 doesn't have cheaters is no less ridiculous than saying CODMW2 never had cheaters. The only difference between the two is the ability for admins to kick suspected cheaters in BFBC2...which is null and void if they aren't online at the time.



I think you need to go play Halo or COD on the XBox for a while and reassess that viewpoint.
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I've played games on console and it's not nearly the same mentally ill and social loser fest it is on the PC, and I can point out why this is. Namely being online simply breeds and enables assholish behavior. Most console gamers, at the end of the day, still actually game with people in person. And you simply cannot get away with that sort of behavior face to face. You'll get slugged.

There is a reason the stereotypical Halo asshole is a frat boy bro-man acting like an ass before he goes out to party and bang chicks. And the typical PC FPS gamers is an angry fat man in his moms basement, they aren't that far off.

The assholes are avoidable in both settings, only play online games in people you know with locked servers, problem fixed. But cheating and idiotic behavior has been around as long as online games have been, and is far more common on dedicated online PC games than it is in games where a good portion of the focus is actually meant to be played with other people face to face.

It's sad, but that's the way the internetz work.
 
sd11 said:
The PC FPS scene has always been known as the most racist, sexist, social inept nerd scene out there, and the griefers and cheaters are a natural extension of that.
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i've been in the PC FPS scene for a long time and this is not my experience

Plague_Injected said:
I think you need to go play Halo or COD on the XBox for a while and reassess that viewpoint.
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+1

I cannot tolerate the little bastards that plague xboxlive. The game could be more fun than titties and beer and i still wouldn't play if i had to listen to their shit.
 
For those of you that dont know how to spot a cheater look at this video.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l36ygYJEgw


skip to 2:40 watch his two insta headshots, and then the bouncy gun on kill cam
skip to 9:15 on kill cam watch his sniper rifle bounce and snap to things across the map.
13:00 could be considered a lucky shot but due to the previous two statements its no.
13:40 he does it again

the key is the kill cam. you can easily see when someones looking around in a nonfluid nonhuman type way.

if you have some free time and want a laugh at some noobism you can watch the video in its entiretly and watch criccio get schooled. haha
 
I can't link to it at work but there's an old Penny Arcade comic panel that describes this perfectly. I'm sure somebody will know what I'm talking about.
 
arr4ws said:
find a good server... and play there

problem solved
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this. I run into hackors maybe once in 10-20 servers, but I stick to clan run servers with good admins and I never have problems. This is true of most any game.

Exact opposite of AVA which I play currently. Join any game and go under -2 on your K/D and you're kick/banned in a hot minute. it only take 3 or 4 votes. Hell you miss/ignore the objective expect to get kicked with in 30 seconds. It's all koreans and brazilians playing though so true hacking is hard to find.
 
Numan said:
I can't link to it at work but there's an old Penny Arcade comic panel that describes this perfectly. I'm sure somebody will know what I'm talking about.
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this is the exact reason i stopped playing pc games... the amount of cheaters is ridiculous. besides a few glitches that usually don't even help much anyways and are usually fixed by the developer through updates i never see cheaters on console.
 
warsawtag said:
this is the exact reason i stopped playing pc games... the amount of cheaters is ridiculous. besides a few glitches that usually don't even help much anyways and are usually fixed by the developer through updates i never see cheaters on console.
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It does happen, but it's far more rare. The most common thing you're going to see on a console is a lag switch. Which is obnoxious but again, not all that common.
 
warsawtag said:
this is the exact reason i stopped playing pc games... the amount of cheaters is ridiculous. besides a few glitches that usually don't even help much anyways and are usually fixed by the developer through updates i never see cheaters on console.
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Go play some CODMW2, CODWAW or COD4 on the PS3...
 
The key to this is to play on Punksbusted or PBBans streaming servers. If they aren't streaming, don't waste your time.

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ZaC851 said:
ive only been playing bc2 for a couple of months, but jesus I see "xxxxx has been banned for multihack(7845756)" like every few minutes while playing. I can only imagine those who arnt getting caught.
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Big huge difference between playing on a server with just Punkbuster enabled and one that is streaming.

Streaming is not 100% but it's a lot better. PBBans.com and punksbusted.com banlist are maintained by community members and is actively updated with md5 checks as soon as "hacks" are put into the wild.
 
jadams said:
If consoles had proper kb/m support I'd ditch the pc in an INSTANT!

*not to say consoles dont have cheaters too.... but alot less prevalant.


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heh... the reason why I went to xbox/ps3 in the first place was because of the rampant cheating in COD4 (and GTA4). Seeing people get to the top prestiege with a simple hack completely ruined that game on the computer for me. I found no real reason to keep playing after seeing crap like that (although, MW2 also had it's share of prestiege hacks on the consoles... stupid IW)

Honestly though, after a few months, I felt that I was just as good with a controller as I was with a KB/Mouse. It was discouraging at first, but if you stick with it... you'll get pretty good. I'm almost at the point where I prefer a controller these days from using one so much.
 
I wouldn't blame PC gaming as a whole, some developers are better than others.

The primary issue is that games like Battlefield (and CoD) are given a short support life because the developers want to churn out the next iteration to make more money. People find holes in the game or create hacks for them and the developers don't care to patch them out because they're just going to pump out a new game 12 months after the last release. If they kept providing support for the current game then you would be less likely to purchase the next version within the first week of its release.
 
Radical said:
I just don't get why people cheat. Like, I can see why pro gamers or people who are trying to go pro would have incentive to cheat (not that the incentive justifies it), but people in public games? WHY?
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Because like everything else in life being good at an FPS is a function of hours spent honing your FPS skills. Those who use hacks make the rational consideration that spending those hours isn't worth their time if for a few dollars of disposable income they can make up for the lack of training. Some (many?) of those who use hacks go too far by raging on the server, killshot across the map, very high KD ratio, etc. etc., then there are those you use aimbot and radar and you'll never know because they die just like the rest of the team and don't rack up mad kills or impossible shots.

sd11 said:
I've played games on console and it's not nearly the same mentally ill and social loser fest it is on the PC, and I can point out why this is.
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So can I, consoles for the most part lack the keyboard that would more prominently express the above behavior. If you take a large enough group the average is simply 'stupid', doesn't matter which platform they use (though Apple users will obviously disagree).

Met-AL said:
The key to this is to play on Punksbusted or PBBans streaming servers. If they aren't streaming, don't waste your time.
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As previously mentioned, that will keep the script kiddies out but not the subtle professional hack user. Streaming is a desperate attempt to get control over what can't be controlled due to the way those games are coded.
 
man it was easier to cheat back in the day

not thats hard now

but serious LOL to 'this is why I went console, I never see cheaters'

you must not play popular FPS's though, because the COD games are worthless after the first week as it gets hacked to pieces
 
Plague_Injected said:
Go play some CODMW2, CODWAW or COD4 on the PS3...
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There have been some console games where the developers just completely dropped the ball on cheat protection, but by and large it's still nowhere near the mess it is on the PC. The PC is the cheaters and modders platform, for very much the same reason. Plus consoles still have yet to develop cheating and griefing dedicated groups to the extent the PC has. The ability to cheat like crazy is the sole reason some people play PC games.
 
Meh, I played Medal of Honor allied assault for a long time, and it has absolutely no official anti cheat. The hacking now pales in comparison.
 
As always you need to play on a community server which is well moderated, the only way to deal with cheaters is to have servers run by active admins who know what they're doing and spread the load of management across several members to keep admins in server all the time.

Look for some game communities, something with a forum/vent/irc and then simply call for an admin when someone cheats and 30 seconds later they're gone.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone prove numbers of hackers for either platform so I don't know if you can even support your claim of less hackers on consoles, one thing is true though, that PC players have the ability to manage their own servers with fine grain control and console users do not, so dealing with the issues is easier.

Lastly if nothing suits your needs then rent your own server and admin it yourself, I have quite a lot of serious gamer friends who rent servers for games they play a lot.
 
jadams said:
This the second time in this thread I've asked for names of these types of server.
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Those mythical servers are only a solution in theory, in reality they don't actually exist. It's not that they couldn't exist but let's think about what's necessary to run such a server:

Players
You'd need a large enough pool of folks who consistently play the game. In the case of BC2 there were probably players like that in the beginning but at this point the population is not really large enough to support the effort.

Admins
You'd need either round-the-clock or at least prime-time (for your server population) coverage of admin duties. This presents a number of problems including that admins aren't paid and burn out quickly unless there's a lot of delegation of duties. Delegation poses risk, so many server admins are reluctant to let too many other folks be admin. In addition, and looking at it in the global scheme of things of what matters and what doesn't, many admins just don't care what happens on their server while they are not around.

What is good advice is to join a gaming community that runs private servers. I am not sure if http://www.theoldergamers.com still runs their own servers and they too have a bunch of drama considering that they are supposed to be all older adults, but communities like ToG are a place to join private servers with active admins where you are a lot less likely to include blatant hackers.

The subtle hackers you won't recognize but arguably it doesn't matter to you if they hack since you have no way to know and it's not obvious that they do.
 
i would have to log in to check the server names, but there are a few located in chicago that are admin'd prety much 99% of the time I play on them, all are clan servers
 
Access to hacks is what's getting easier. Similar to how it's alot easier to pirate things now, both have become alot more convenient than in the past.
 
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