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[H]ardocp powersupply

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hi guys.

what is hardocp's favorite psu right now? I am about to pull the trigger on my new build and need ( read want! ) 850+ psu I have been looking at the corsair and enermax and pc power&cooling. At 850w they all have affordable units
most of these prices are after mir

corsair 850tx for $130
corsair 1000hx for $280

PC Power & Cooling PPCT860 $219.99
PC Power & Cooling 1200 is $459.99 (out of my price range or i think i would just get this one)

ENERMAX REVOLUTION85+ ERV1050EWT $280

is there much difference betwen the 850w and 1000w units?

The problem is that for now i could easly get away with a pc power &cooling 750 for $90 but that would not future proof me, though i have read of people runing core I7 and 2 gtx 285's with it so maybe it would work.


future system

evga x58 classified (whenever it comes out)
intel core I7 920
evga gtx285 (1 for now another later )
sound-blaster titanium
3 hard drives
2 dvd writers
 
The BFG ES-800 was met with very good reviews from [h] and from guru3d. I love it, the only thing that would make it better would be modular cables, but that's not a big deal.
 
The BEST BEST BEST... it would have to be the Enermax Revolution85+... 850, 1050... whatever... that line is tops for stability/output, stress testing, and one of the most efficient PSU's around. The others are nice... BFG ES-800, Corsair TX850W, Thermaltake Toughpower series... but the Enermax is tops. Seasonics and Channel Well's are good too, but not always easy to find. The Antec Signature 850 is a nice unit if you need an 80mm fan/more classic PSU setup.
 
750W. You cant come up with a rig that pulls more than it can offer and these units can be found for less than $100.

Corsair 750W and PC P&C 750W
 
The only downside to buying any PC P&C power supply is the lack of modular cabling, if that is an important feature to you.
 
undertheradar said:
The BEST BEST BEST... it would have to be the Enermax Revolution85+... 850, 1050... whatever... that line is tops for stability/output, stress testing, and one of the most efficient PSU's around. The others are nice... BFG ES-800, Corsair TX850W, Thermaltake Toughpower series... but the Enermax is tops. Seasonics and Channel Well's are good too, but not always easy to find. The Antec Signature 850 is a nice unit if you need an 80mm fan/more classic PSU setup.
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The Antec Signature 850 is the first PSU that I have seen
either Paul Johnson or Wolfspider give a 10/10 rating.

So I bought it. Runs quiet, powers a Q6600 @ 4.0GHz,
10 SATA2 HDDs, 2x 20x DVD-R/W, and 2x HD3870's
in CrossFire. I can burn 2 DVD's while gaming and never
even feel it twitch in the slightest. I plan on carrying it
on to the new i7 build, already have the eVGA X58 SLI :cool:
 
The Enermax Revolution is undoubtedly the best-quality PSU on your list. The only other units that are really comparable are the Antec Signature 850W and the Seasonic 850W M12D.
 
I think you guys pretty much sold me on Antec Signature 850W :).
Unless I can get newegg to sell Corsair HX1000 close to $200 again I found my primary psu.
 
silverstone OP1000-E is good too
so that, the pcpower and cooling one, and the corsair one are the best imo
 
The Enermax beats them all still... even has the 80+ silver rating (how many others have that?). There is an 'EG1100' listed by Enermax as a 'pre-production' model with a Gold rating. FWIW, jonnyguru.com/Oaklahoma Wolf just havent reviewed it yet, but I think this one could be a solid 10 for them... maybe a 9.5 with the aesthetics just because of the sleeving that doesnt go 'all the way'... but that has been mentioned as a possible functional choice as well (easier to bend). [H]'s review sums it up though... hard to beat.
 
undertheradar said:
The Enermax beats them all still... even has the 80+ silver rating (how many others have that?). There is an 'EG1100' listed by Enermax as a 'pre-production' model with a Gold rating. FWIW, jonnyguru.com/Oaklahoma Wolf just havent reviewed it yet, but I think this one could be a solid 10 for them... maybe a 9.5 with the aesthetics just because of the sleeving that doesnt go 'all the way'... but that has been mentioned as a possible functional choice as well (easier to bend). [H]'s review sums it up though... hard to beat.
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The Antec Signature 850 is the first PSU that I have seen

Johnnyguru or Oklahoma Wolfr give a 10/10 rating to either :cool:
 
Look back... there are other solid 10's. Depending on what is important to you, you might consider others that are 'close enough' to 10 that it doesnt matter. The Antec isnt a 'perfect 10' by the way, scoring a 10,9,7,9 for a 9 overall. There are plenty that have beat this. It is also not the first to get a 10 for performance.

For instance... Thermaltake Toughpower W0133RU scored a 10 for performance (what really matters), and a 9.5 overall, easily beating the Antec Sig. When you actually read the text and compare, you realize that it could easily have been a 10 overall, and if it were redone today, would most likely be so (at the time, it was a first in its class, so it got dinged unfairly due to lack of comparison).

Corsair HX1000 OTOH, got a 9.5 overall, with a 9 for performance and function. When you actually read the HX1000 review, you could consider whats actually said, and that the function score was rather arbitrary and could have been a 10. To me, the performance is what matters most though, so I look for ones with a 9.5 or 10 for performance, and if it only gets an 8 for some other things... it may not be such a big deal (I may not care what it looks like depending on the case).

The Zalman ZM600-HP is another one that considering its current price, would also likely be 're-ranked' higher. Some of the rankings are just too arbitrary... you see 9's and 10's pretty much meaning the same thing in alot of reviews in categories other than performance. Functionality and Looks are such subjective things too. Again, I would say look for 10's in performance, and judge the rest yourself.

The Antec Sig is nice... dont get me wrong. But along the same lines as Oklahoma's more subjective/arbitrary rankings, I would ding it myself as well for having an 80mm fan (that CTX PSU they have on the way does look interesting though)... this usually means more noise. The exception though would be if you purchased the version that is aftermarket watercooled... that thing is sweet.

Corsair TX850 also scored soo close to perfect... what does it really matter 9.5 vs. 10?

Channel Well DSG950V... hard to find, but great as well. They just havent reviewed it yet... but Im sure it would score a solid 9.5 if not 10 for performance.

Consider the Seasonic M12D 850W as well... it could just as easily have been a 10 for performance (it got dinged 1/2 a point for the soldering job?!?!? Is that REALLY performance related?)

Now, they havent reviewed the Enermax Rev85+, but IMO, I doubt it would be less than a perfect 10 for performance, and a 9.5 overall based on all the other reviews I have seen. This, and that its dead silent.
 
The Corsair 850 watt can run any system today + more.

I picked up an Aerocool 1020 watt becuase the review I saw on Hi-Tech. Man it's a beast.


BTW the HX1000 is only like 200$
 
I haven't done a lot of upgrading in the last year so when I saw this thread, I started going out PSU shopping. Wow!

Power supplies sure have come a long way in the last year or two....
 
Any tidbits you could share that might apply? Like... do you have the final ratings yet (without going into detail)? Or have you not even gotten your paws on it yet?

Also, since you are here Oakie, do you agree with some of the stuff I said regarding your own reviews? Are some things rather arbitrary? As in, lets say you went back and 'redid' the numbers on the Thermaltake Toughpower 1200w... based on today's competition, pricing, and aesthetics which you didnt have at the time of that review... wouldn't its numbers be a little different? It seems this could be the case with some of the reviews... like when you dinged the PSU mentioned above for its soldering job (which should have been taken care of by now so it would be a 10 anyways) even though performance-wise this is meaningless (maybe an aesthetic value for those who actually open up PSU's). I dont mean negativity towards your reviews... I find them to be perhaps the best around (as an EE), only that when you look at the critical details sometimes when comparing say, two PSU's that got the same score... perhaps the 'weather that day' was a deciding factor... since one '9.5' sometimes seems different than another. I know its hard to assign numbers to some values, esp when arbitrary/subjective like looks (do you ding a PSU in the looks department for having slightly shortened sleeving on the cables, or is that a functional bonus because then the fat cable is easier to bend?), so I wonder with some of your reviews if the numbers wouldnt be a little different when directly compared to another of similar 'class'. I suppose... you just have to read the full text in the end.
 
undertheradar said:
The Antec isnt a 'perfect 10' by the way, scoring a 10,9,7,9 for a 9 overall..
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mentioning the jonnyguru review scores you state that performance is what matters and then say many psus have beat the Antec Signature 850w, how could another psu beat it when it got a "10" in performance in the review...? in the jonnyguru review the 7 is a joke, seriously, 7 for pricing...? of course pricing should be listed in the review for those people who are looking at the cost/performance ratio, but in no way should it be factored into the score indicating the quality of the psu in question, if people want the best they will pay a premium for it, the review by Paul states the price point much better in his review...

"Our test results are highlighted by the excellent build quality, the excellent efficiency, excellent voltage regulation, and incredible DC output quality which outpaces all the other products we have reviewed in this output range. So as a premier product in the 800w-900w range right now, the Antec Signature 850 is THE product to be beat. However, users who can get by with slightly less than the best or are more price conscious will still find a great value in Antec's True Power Quattro 850w which can be had for $139.99. If you are a PSU snob, the Antec Signature 850 is likely for you though. Only the best power for your CPU and GPU, right?"
 
undertheradar said:
Any tidbits you could share that might apply? Like... do you have the final ratings yet (without going into detail)? Or have you not even gotten your paws on it yet?
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It's still in the box.

Also, since you are here Oakie, do you agree with some of the stuff I said regarding your own reviews? Are some things rather arbitrary? As in, lets say you went back and 'redid' the numbers on the Thermaltake Toughpower 1200w... based on today's competition, pricing, and aesthetics which you didnt have at the time of that review... wouldn't its numbers be a little different?
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I didn't write the Thermaltake review - not up to me to redo it. Aesthetics is pretty much up to personal preference though... that's why it's only worth a tenth of the final score ;)

wol-va-rine, the value score in my review has no bearing on the performance score. I had to judge the unit based on its price at the time of review, which is posted right there in the review. $300 was a bit much for that unit, and I don't feel any differently now. I can't just go in and rescore everything based on current prices... it would be neverending work to do that.
 
I don't think they're rating anything on the absolute price. Rather, I think they're trying to rate the value of the power supply at that price point.

Actually, I agree that it would be great if they awarded two separate scores: One for quality of the product and one for value.
 
AgentQ said:
Actually, I agree that it would be great if they awarded two separate scores: One for quality of the product and one for value.
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Well, he does score the unit in several categories, so a scoring scheme like you suggest is already in place. You don't have to look at the overall score if you want to just get an idea of how a PSU does from a certain perspective.
 
wol-va-rine said:
mentioning the jonnyguru review scores you state that performance is what matters and then say many psus have beat the Antec Signature 850w, how could another psu beat it when it got a "10" in performance in the review...? in the jonnyguru review the 7 is a joke, seriously, 7 for pricing...? of course pricing should be listed in the review for those people who are looking at the cost/performance ratio, but in no way should it be factored into the score indicating the quality of the psu in question, if people want the best they will pay a premium for it, the review by Paul states the price point much better in his review...
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I said that its not the first to get a 10 for performance, which was the topic. It also isnt a perfect 10 overall since it fell short in other areas. I said other PSU's have beat it 'overall', as in, got a 10 for performance (or got a 9.5 due to soldering which really should be a 10) I, as well as most, would consider performance the first and most important issue, but then the other things do matter depending on the user... cables, looks, etc.
 
Zero82z said:
Well, he does score the unit in several categories, so a scoring scheme like you suggest is already in place. You don't have to look at the overall score if you want to just get an idea of how a PSU does from a certain perspective.
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I agree... thats the point where you have to stop and read the text... as in 'read between the lines'... so you can see if the 9 instead of a 10 is even a concern considering the intended use. A 1/2 point performance ding for soldering quality when the unit otherwise performs like a 10 is a perfect example.
 
A poor solder joint can cause resistance leading to heat & long term failure, it could even break, points should be deducted for that, however if it is just messy, in that they didn't remove all of the flux, it has no bearing on anything & nothing should be deducted.

I know Jonny has & I have every reason to believe OKW has, more than sufficient knowledge & experience to make these judgment calls.

In my personal opinion jonnyGuru.com is the finest PSU review site on the web.

Dave :)
 
Seasonic M12D 850W...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=127

"Performance (40% of the final score) - I have to admit, this unit is very impressive. Absolutely astounding efficiency combined with some very stable voltage regulation is a real tough combo to beat already. Adding in that amazing ripple and noise suppression, it's tough to find stuff to hate about it. But find stuff I did, for that soldering job needs to be cleaned up. And guess what - Seasonic's already working on that. But all the same, I need to pull half a point for that. 9.5."

"If you look real close, up in the top left corner is the protection IC - a PS223. Soldering in general is leaps and bounds better than the soldering I saw in the Antec Neopower Blue, which is also Seasonic based, but still not quite perfect - there were a few spots where there was too much solder and other isolated blips.

In fact, I had two of these units because my first one decided to play out the whole Easter story in miniature. Yes, friends, it died in the hot box, went through the autopsy picture phase, got put back together, and still didn't work (standby only). Then, magically, a few days later it came back to life, going on to complete another full set of tests. What's even more astonishing is, it passed the hot box tests the second time around.

You know what that tells me? Solder bridge. I must have cleared one out without realizing it. And now, back to our irregularly scheduled pictures."

Pic:http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules/NDReviews/images/SSM12D850/DSCF0234.jpg

I dont know... was the solder just not neat enough, or was is actually performance hindering??? We may never know. Seems the unit is pretty much a 10 for performance, esp considering they said they would be fixing it. I dont mean to bicker about one little point like this, but just to make an example of 'when you need to read the details' rather than go by the assigned numbers.

Lets look at the 'Value' score... totally useless IMO because it is a very personal, biased, and opinionated value to assign, and its also based on the price AT THAT TIME. For instance, I will speculate that the Enermax Rev85+ might get a 10 for performance, but it might only get a 7 or 8 for 'Value' because of its $300 price tag. OTOH, to me the 85+ Silver rating (that might as well be a Gold rating), and the combo of features, low noise, and performance are just a rare combo to find all together. Its efficiency doesnt waiver if you only run it at say... 400-600 watts, another 'bonus'. So for me, its 'tops' in its category... and I would say a 9 or 10. The next guy might ding it though because it has the 'truck bed liner' instead of a glossy clearcoated black finish, or a LED fan. And down the road, if the price drops to $200-230, Im sure the value of the Rev85+ 1050w would change to a 9 or 10.

And hey, the Thermaltake Toughpower got dinged for the 'military style' stamped fan grille... something I wouldnt care about.
 
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