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GTX570 getting close

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Looks like the price point will be between $350 and $400

So, you'll be getting GTX480-like performance, with lower power draw, and a slight discount (480s sell for > $400, inconceivably).

This will be a nice folding card, for sure. However at >2x the price of a GTX460 it might be a bit hard to justify unless you're really looking to invest in the high end.
 
Figure somewhere in the neighborhood of the current GTX480....so 16k ish ppd.
 
jebo_4jc said:
Looks like the price point will be between $350 and $400

So, you'll be getting GTX480-like performance, with lower power draw, and a slight discount (480s sell for > $400, inconceivably).

This will be a nice folding card, for sure. However at >2x the price of a GTX460 it might be a bit hard to justify unless you're really looking to invest in the high end.
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GTX 480 performance is basically GTX 470 performance, which means it will do a bit better than a GTX 460, is this correct? For over 300 bones?? I think I'll pass...

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Figure somewhere in the neighborhood of the current GTX480....so 16k ish ppd.
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Is that what the GTX 480 is still capable of producing with the new WUs? I was under the impression that all Fermi cards dropped significantly in performance with the new WUs? :confused:
 
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no, the new WUs actually elongated the performance curve of Fermi cards, so the performance hierarchy is more natural, i.e.

GTX480 - 16,000 (I've seen reports of 480s getting 17,500 ppd on 6800s)
GTX470 - 14,500
GTX460 - 12,000
GTS450 - 9,000

(on 6800 units, assuming all cards are overclocked)

Obviously my numbers may be off a bit, especially considering the difference in 6811 and other WUs. Most of this is based only on what I've read on various forums since I only personally own GTX470s and 460s, but you get the idea.

The performance drop with the new WUs really only hit the lower end cards since the WUs are basically too big to fit within the smaller cards' cores. The bigger cards can still handle the load.
 
What about all the posts of the 460s producing 9000 PPD and the 450s producing 7000 PPD? Were these cards running stock clocks? AAMOF, I also remember someone posting ~11K PPD for a 470, don't recall if it was here or elsewhere.
 
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not sure, you know how accurate the postings on internet message boards are :rolleyes:

but I can tell you for certain I have three GTX460s at home producing 11,500 PPD on 6800 (in fact, you can see them doing it right now. My HTPC 460 is downclocked a bit right now, so pay particular attention to the two 460s in my "theater" pc).

And my two GTX470s get about 14,500 ppd on 6800, but don't pay attention to their current PPD on my HFM link above. I told the GPU clients to GTFO of the way of the CPUs.

Maybe those numbers you saw were on 6811?
 
I'm thinking that 2 450s would outproduce 1 480, and use about the same amount of power and would cost a lot less.
 
jebo_4jc said:
Figure somewhere in the neighborhood of the current GTX480....so 16k ish ppd.
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well the big issue here is that the only way for them to lower power was by removing Double precision modules. so its quite possible it might run slower then the gtx 480 in F@H even though it will have roughly the same amount of shader processors. all we can do is wait and see what they remove from the 570 to lower power usage.

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I'm thinking that 2 450s would outproduce 1 480, and use about the same amount of power and would cost a lot less.
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right now they will. in 2-3 months they will just be another 8800GT like card in F@H. the gtx 460 will be more like the GTS 250. and the 470 and up will be the GTX 200 series cards.

thats about the best example that represents the future for the gtx 400 and 500 series.
 
FAH is single precision. The reduced HPC capabilities thing was only a rumor, nothing was really removed from GF110. The main source of power savings is different transistor design.
 
I was about to say basically the same thing
 
Don't we already have GTX 580 results? All we need to do is extrapolate from there rather than look to 400-series cards and we'll get a rough idea what a GTX 570 will do. Personally, I'm looking forwards to the better priced GF114 cards next year.
 
Maybe I'm out of the loop but what does a 580 get?

and my 470 is getting 13k stock on a 6811, didnt realize I dropped to stock so I'm going back to a mild OC to see what I get
 
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you can see them doing it right now.
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:eek: How do I get this monitoring functionality?! Thats awesome.

The 570 is definitely a cold deal, especially with 470's selling around the $200 mark until the stock is gone.
I picked up a MSI 470 for $158 on BF that does 750mhz with .987v and will do 800 at 1.037 stable but the stock cooler has trouble keeping it under control. For the price of a 570 you could pick up a 470 and a whole watercooling loop for it.
 
NDA lifts tomorrow morning. I want to see power consumption, someone said that one of the reviews that was quickly leaked and removed showed 50W less under load, pretty significant.
 
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NDA lifts tomorrow morning. I want to see power consumption, someone said that one of the reviews that was quickly leaked and removed showed 50W less under load, pretty significant.
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I hope the production is comparable to GTX 580. That would be a positive harbinger for the GF114 cards later in the season (can't wait for these).
 
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I hope the production is comparable to GTX 580. That would be a positive harbinger for the GF114 cards later in the season (can't wait for these).
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that may be difficult considering the difference in core counts (512 cores inside the gtx580 vs 480 cores in the gtx570)

Expect GTX480 levels of performance.
 
We have liftoff, click through for power consumption. I think it looks great for a folding/gaming card. They OC'd it to 850mhz on stock volts too, thats what my GTX 460 do on stock volts. To hit 850 on a GTX 480 you would need to add voltage and run the cards naked at 100% fan. The cooler's better than the old fermi design but not as quiet as the stock GTX 460 cooler.
Stock core clocks for the 570 are 732 vs 772 for the 580 so the PPD difference between 480 and 512 cores is even smaller than the 1.8k ppd shown.
It only uses 90W more from the wall folding a 6800 than when idle, I think about 135W total. Other people here have measured similar with GTX 470s but it is important to note. Two of these cards with stock volts OCs (~32kppd) use about the same amount of power as an oc'd i7 quad (250-300W).

 
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regarding power consumption, the 570 consumes 43W less than the 480.

Assuming you play games 2 hours a day and spend $0.10 per kWh, it will take you 31 years to recoup $100 in up front cost :p

If you run folding at home 24/7, however, it will only take you about 2.5 years to recoup your $100
 
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We have liftoff, click through for power consumption.
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Zink, if you're going to hotlink their images at least have the courtesy to link to the review page.
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A stock/low voltage overclocked GTX 470 gets about 13kppd with 6800s while an oc'd GTX 570 should get around 16kppd. Power consumption is almost equal so your spending $150 for 3kppd electricity free and some quiet. From the HWC benchmark the 570 actually uses 69W less than the 480 when folding 6800s, thats about $60/year with $0.10/kwh electricity. With a light oc on the 570 you'd end up with significantly more points too. I don't think anyone should be buying a 480 for folding.
 
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