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GTX 295

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Sunin

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Not sure if you all have heard rumors, maybe I missed the thread...

A dual 280 GTX card is a coming! Price point expected at $599.99 per card MSRP.

That is 7k x 2 or 14k from one card.

I'm thinking 3 x 14k and no cpu client. for a 42k PPD box!



 
I see a PSU screaming in pain in the near future.
 
Eh I have a 1kw PSU. I'm thinking each card will take about what 225 x 3 so 675 + 175 for the system total 950 watts... and it is a silverstone Op1000, and I bet the system will take under 125 since I won't be running the cpu client.

 
You have your UPS to monitor, and I know you will.

I just know with the new WU my main folding box went up ~150 watts and if I didn't have the buffer built in that I had something would have blown.
 
Kendrak said:
You have your UPS to monitor, and I know you will.

I just know with the new WU my main folding box went up ~150 watts and if I didn't have the buffer built in that I had something would have blown.
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Holy Crap!! Is that your 6 GPU BOX, plus 25 watts per gpu, damn! I haven't noticed
that much of a spike. The max gpu per boxen I have is 3 and it seems to vary from
345 watts to 370 watts, with 3 8800 GSs. Next box is going to be 4 GPU, I will
keep that buffer in mind.
 
I'd call it closer to 13k per card not 14k.
Like the 9800GX2, the GTX 295 will probably be clocked slightly slower than a true 280.
And it probably won't overclock so high either.
So expect to drop around 500 PpD per client.
That the difference between my GTX's and my GX2's.

But drop 4 of them onto a K9A2 Plat and you'll have a nice 50k PpD box.

Luck .............. :D
 
Hmm my 9800GX2 is getting 11k, my 8800GTX is getting 5.5k and my overclock is 1850 on the shaders stable for 2 months now. I think that is no PPD loss on the 9800GX2, unless my math is goofy. As long as they under clock the core and you can reset teh shaders higher you can get nearly the same performance for folding. YMMV.



 
i want to see the reviews first on this card.. because all the screen shots ive see of that card scream heat problems.. its basicly the same crap ass dual PCB design as the 9800GX2 but there seems to be a much bigger flaw in it that the 9800GX2 didnt have.. atleast in the screen shots the cooling for the bottom/inside gpu looks non existent..


Sunin said:
Hmm my 9800GX2 is getting 11k, my 8800GTX is getting 5.5k and my overclock is 1850 on the shaders stable for 2 months now. I think that is no PPD loss on the 9800GX2, unless my math is goofy. As long as they under clock the core and you can reset teh shaders higher you can get nearly the same performance for folding. YMMV.
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hes refering to the 9800GTX.. 8800GTX if im not mistaken with a 1875 SP clock is faster then the 9800GTX anyways..
 
my Corsair 620HX was groaning in pain from an OC'd 8800GTX running the new WUs. I dropped the OC all together and it was still in pain. To run a GTX 295, I"m not even sure a 1K PSU is enough

 
Sunin said:
A dual 280 GTX card is a coming! Price point expected at $599.99 per card MSRP.

That is 7k x 2 or 14k from one card.

I'm thinking 3 x 14k and no cpu client. for a 42k PPD box!
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Hmm, a ~$2200 box strictly for folding?? There are probably better ways to achieve 40K+ PPD for less money and less risk, but if achieving a world record for the most PPD out of single chassis is what you're aiming for, then that would certainly do it. Seeing your recent thread, I guess you already have the infrastructure laid out to accommodate the added loads. :eek:

Kendrak said:
I just know with the new WU my main folding box went up ~150 watts and if I didn't have the buffer built in that I had something would have blown.
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I lost a 600W Seasonic last month. Didn't know what may have caused it. Now I know. :D

sirmonkey1985 said:
i want to see the reviews first on this card.. because all the screen shots ive see of that card scream heat problems.. its basicly the same crap ass dual PCB design as the 9800GX2 but there seems to be a much bigger flaw in it that the 9800GX2 didnt have.. atleast in the screen shots the cooling for the bottom/inside gpu looks non existent..
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Do you have any links with pics? The pics I have seen to date don't show the card very clearly. Either way, I'm sure nVidia will make it a viable product cooling-wise. I don't think it's worth it for the cost effectiveness (gaming or folding) but I never think halo products are upon release, and don't purchase them as a rule.

capreppy said:
my Corsair 620HX was groaning in pain from an OC'd 8800GTX running the new WUs. I dropped the OC all together and it was still in pain. To run a GTX 295, I"m not even sure a 1K PSU is enough
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If you're worried about a single GTX295 imagine 3 or 4 like some here are suggesting.... :eek:

 
Sunin said:
Not sure if you all have heard rumors, maybe I missed the thread...

A dual 280 GTX card is a coming! Price point expected at $599.99 per card MSRP.

That is 7k x 2 or 14k from one card.

I'm thinking 3 x 14k and no cpu client. for a 42k PPD box!



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from what i've been hearing is it is going to be a dual 260gtx, not a 280gtx.
 
capreppy said:
my Corsair 620HX was groaning in pain from an OC'd 8800GTX running the new WUs. I dropped the OC all together and it was still in pain. To run a GTX 295, I"m not even sure a 1K PSU is enough
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my corsair 550HX seems to be doing fine with my be-2350@3ghz(1.38v) and my 8800GT 790/1880/1010 +1.1v mod plus 10 hdd's and a bd drive..
 
tricky0502 said:
from what i've been hearing is it is going to be a dual 260gtx, not a 280gtx.
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According to this thread, it seems to be a hybrid. Memory subsystem of the 260, shader count of the 280. Judging from initial impressions of the architecture the folding performance will probably be closer to the 280 but this will hinge upon the frequency. Heat will likely greatly limit the stock clocks, not to mention OC. Performance is tentative at this point.
 
cough cough.. waste of money.. cough cough... piss poor excuse to make the 4870x2 look worse.. cough cough.. nvidia's going to fail again cough cough.. because no one can afford their overpriced cards.. cough cough...


yeah sorry i just had a little coughing fit there.. all better now..
 
capreppy said:
my Corsair 620HX was groaning in pain from an OC'd 8800GTX running the new WUs. I dropped the OC all together and it was still in pain. To run a GTX 295, I"m not even sure a 1K PSU is enough
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My PC which is beefier than yours does fine on an HX520 running an instance of the GPU client and an instance of the SMP client. I doubt it was your PSU having troubles. As for what would be enough for a GTX295, any decent 500W PSU should be good for a single card, a second one would probably be fine on a 750W PSU, and a 1kW unit should be enough for three and maybe even four of them.
 
the GTX 295 if done correctly should be around the same wattage as the 4870 x2.. now that is if they use the new 55nm processor in it.. if they dont.. then that numbers out of the question.. so your looking anywhere between 400 and 600 watts TDP for the card its self..
 
Looks like it's closer to being dual 260's than it is 280's. Yes it has 480 streams but all the clock speeds (core, stream, mem) run at stock 260 speeds. Oh and retail will be $499.
 
Must resist.....

But I could sell my 2, gtx260 cards add a bit of extra cash and then I could.....

Arrgggg...... must resist!

Anyone know how much heat this thing is going to pump?

Damn it... stop it you fool :(
 
no one knows yet.. but its probably going to be rivaling the 4870x2 heat numbers..
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
the GTX 295 if done correctly should be around the same wattage as the 4870 x2.. now that is if they use the new 55nm processor in it.. if they dont.. then that numbers out of the question.. so your looking anywhere between 400 and 600 watts TDP for the card its self..
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Well, the speculation is (mostly) over.

Per the preview here at the [H]...
This means this video card has a total board power of 289 watts. It will require one 6-pin PCIe and one 8-pin PCIe power connector. The recommended power supply for a single GTX 295 is 680 watts.
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So, 300W a pop. Better be looking for bigger than a 1kW PSU if you want to run more than two of these bad boys.
 
Parja said:
So, 300W a pop. Better be looking for bigger than a 1kW PSU if you want to run more than two of these bad boys.
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Yep, especially if you figure in a substantial buffer for each GPU in case of new intensive WUs. Either way, we're looking at a huge wattage PSU or multiple PSUs for two or more cards. There's no escaping it.
 
1kW would be more than enough for running two. I'd just make sure the psu you get has a single 12V rail or at most two. I think it'll be interesting to see what the actual under load power draw ends up being. Rated TDP #'s are one thing I want to see some real world figures.
 
Kendrak said:
Must resist.....

Arrgggg...... must resist!


Damn it... stop it you fool :(
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Hear that? /alternating sucking and whirring noise in the background...
That's the sound of your wallet getting sucked dry by the electric bill and the fan like noise of the electric meter spinning...lol

Does that help you resist?

If not, there's always that wailing siren from the ambulance since your significant other beat you mercilessly for buying more hardware.
 
Looks like Newegg has started added GTX295's, they currently have 4 listed ranging from $499-$509
 
H listed the MSRP as 399 i think, so wait a week or 3 and they should come down to around that level. I can't believe they draw less power than I expected, 55nm made a pretty big diff. If only I could find an spare 400ish bucks somewhere...
 
Imitation said:
H listed the MSRP as 399 i think, so wait a week or 3 and they should come down to around that level. I can't believe they draw less power than I expected, 55nm made a pretty big diff. If only I could find an spare 400ish bucks somewhere...
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No, $399 is the new price for a 4870X2 after MIR. (ATI's reaction to the GTX295)

Now all we need is a Vista driver that will let me run folding on both cores of a 4870X2, it just dropped into my price range. A bit more ppd on the clients would be nice too.
 
Imitation said:
H listed the MSRP as 399 i think, so wait a week or 3 and they should come down to around that level.
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MSRP is $499, not $399.
Kendrak said:
Now all we need is a Vista driver that will let me run folding on both cores of a 4870X2, it just dropped into my price range. A bit more ppd on the clients would be nice too.
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My 4870 is hitting about 4500PPD now with 548-point units and the new ATI core. We're getting there :).
 
the one difference i like about ATI drivers compared to nvidia is that their consistant.. theirs always a performance gain on the ATI drivers.. with nvidia its hit as miss.. you can get great performance off some beta drivers then their final drivers are a load of crap compared to the beta drivers.. im still stuck with these 180.60 drivers because nvidia refuses to fix them.. and im not going through all the trouble to uninstall and reinstall older drivers again.. the gtx 295 is way out of its price range for the performance.. but then again its exactly where the 4870x2 started at.. i think ATI did the right thing with dropping prices.. its not like their losing money on the 4870x2.. their right in the price range for that card.. nvidia's always over priced their cards even though they cost exactly the same to produce as the ATI 4800 series cards.. should see the gtx 295 in the low 400's to high 300's with MIR within a month or so.. theres no way they can expect to ride their reputation to sell the gtx 295 for its performance.. honestly i think they should of stuck with the gtx 280 gpu and 512bit bus speed on the memory then going cheap and using the 448bit.. would of given a good reason for the high price because it would honestly be 2 gtx 280's instead of a hybrid dual gtx 260's.. not to mention i would of figured the 55nm core would of overclocked a lot better then it did.. i mean look at the 9800GTX+ and the gpu overclocking on that one.. they should be the same cores with a higher bus speed..

this is just my opinion though..
 
Kendrak said:
Really?!

Hummm...... time to do some hunting.....
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:)
 
APOLLO said:
Yep, especially if you figure in a substantial buffer for each GPU in case of new intensive WUs. Either way, we're looking at a huge wattage PSU or multiple PSUs for two or more cards. There's no escaping it.
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Well, 300W is the TDP. They'll never pull nearly that much Folding.

tkam said:
1kW would be more than enough for running two. I'd just make sure the psu you get has a single 12V rail or at most two. I think it'll be interesting to see what the actual under load power draw ends up being. Rated TDP #'s are one thing I want to see some real world figures.
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Yup, a good 1k will handle two with no problem. You might want to look at upgrading to 240V wiring if you want to install a third, though. ;)

Meh, number of rails doesn't mean much. Just make sure the PCI-E connector rails can handle the load.

My 800W PSU has four 12V rails, but two of them are dedicated to PCI-E connectors that can handle 36A each (or 432W each and 780W total on the 12V).
 
mm btw anyone still on XP since this is about a nvidia card.. get the 181.20 drivers.. getting 4832 PPD on WU 5759.. which is 100 PPD higher then before on a slower shader overclock then before.. running 778/1836/1025 compared to 760/1900/1010 (i know the gpu clock and memory clocks dont really matter but figured id be accurate with my overclock).. going to try 1900 on the shader clock see if i can exceed 5k PPD.. btw i was using 180.60 before this..


:( 1890mhz shader i topped out at 4927 PPD did it with WCG on and off same result..
 
When / if these drop to 399 they will be the card to get. That is some 15k PPD per card depending on what you can get teh shaders at. Hmmm replace 1 8800GT in my farm and gain 10k!

LOL...



 
yeah if they drop to 399 id actually think about buying one.. and then id go buy an 4870x2 instead.. but meh thats just me.. dealing with nvidia drivers and games for the last 3 years tends to do that to ya.. :p but if all i did was fold i sure as heck would buy a gtx 295 if they were selling in the same price range as the x2..
 
As far as psu's go, the Evga 295 I just ordered has steep requirements.

Requirements
Minimum of a 680 power supply.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 46 Amp Amps.)
 
ReconSniper said:
As far as psu's go, the Evga 295 I just ordered has steep requirements.

Requirements
Minimum of a 680 power supply.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 46 Amp Amps.)
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They are making sure there is plenty of extra room on the PSU.

They don't know if your running 10 HDD, Fans, lights, and all kinds of stuff. They also don't know the quality of your PSU. I would wager that a 500 watt PPC or Corsair would do just fine as long as you don't have some crazy system.
 
Well I've had an absolutely terrible time getting my gtx295's to work. First I tried them in my main box and with the 181.20 drivers Vista 64 would never come back up correctly. Even tried a clean install of Vista with no change.

So now I have them in my old dual opteron 275 box with a clean install of XP and so far 3 of the gpu's are working fine, the 4th is eue'ing constantly, even tried underclocking it with no change. It's been a very frustrating experience to say the least.
 
try the 185.20 beta drivers for vista.. who knows maybe that will work.. :p

but yeah ive lost complete trust in nvidia drivers after the 180.60 hot fix fiasco for GTA 4..
 
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