GTS 450 benchmarks leaked

[blastingcap]

GTS 450 benchmarks leaked. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4532422#post4532422 and http://gpudesign.bafree.net/asus-gts-450-top-full-review

If you throw out Unigine (not a game) and Far Cry 2 (hugely NV-skewed, and who actually plays it these days?), it looks like the GTS 450 is somewhere in the 5750 or 5770 ballpark... so GTS 450 = Radeon HD5760, so to speak? It gets beaten up in Crysis by the 5770 but does better in Call of Juarez and World in Conflict. Without more games benched it's hard to say for sure whether it will end up closer to a 5750 or 5770 at stock.

The overclocked version of the GTS 450 (TOP) looks like it's solidly in the 5770 ballpark performance or possibly higher.

Given that the GTS 450 looks a bit slower than the 5770, it should probably be priced at about $125 to maintain price/performance parity, but who knows what it will end up being priced at?

P.S. Sorry if this is a duplicate post.

 

[trinibwoy]

The 5750 starts at $125, the 5770 goes up to $175. According to the leaked Asus brochure it's priced at $150 but Asus usually carries a premium over the other vendors. Either way a $150 MSRP will place it well against both those cards, the only problem is that those cards are about to be replaced by 6xxx series updates.

 

[blastingcap]

The 5750 starts at $125, the 5770 goes up to $175. According to the leaked Asus brochure it's priced at $150 but Asus usually carries a premium over the other vendors. Either way a $150 MSRP will place it well against both those cards, the only problem is that those cards are about to be replaced by 6xxx series updates.

5770 for $130AR has shown up a few times now, and one was going for $113AR yesterday (now expired deal). I have no idea if it'll be closer to a 5750 or 5770 so I'll reserve judgment on whether or not it's well-priced at $150.

 

[trinibwoy]

Yes, you can always find some rebate or deal etc etc, on an older card.

 

[blastingcap]

Yes, you can always find some rebate or deal etc etc, on an older card.

Doesn't change the fact that it's still less than $150. There are multiple 5770 cards below $130AR right now on Newegg for instance, including one at $125. (And a 1GB 5750 at $105AR.) Anyway I will reserve judgment until we see more games benched... but so far the GTS 450 looks slower than a 5770 and thus should be priced accordingly for price/perf parity. I doubt that will be the case though.

 

[IRSmurf]

GTS 450 benchmarks leaked
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If you throw out Unigine (not a game) and Far Cry 2 (hugely NV-skewed, and who actually plays it these days?), it looks like the GTS 450 is somewhere in the 5750 or 5770 ballpark

What kind of bullshit is that? Hell, if we're throwing out games that favor one company over the other, lets throw out Crysis and BFBC2 because ATi performance card perform uncharacteristically better than nvidia. If you threw out all the games that favor nvidia over ati, you'd be left with a very small number of games.

It is ridiculous to ignore the data just because it doesn't say what you want it to.

 

[blastingcap]

What kind of bullshit is that? Hell, if we're throwing out games that favor one company over the other, lets throw out Crysis and BFBC2 because ATi performance card perform uncharacteristically better than nvidia. If you threw out all the games that favor nvidia over ati, you'd be left with a very small number of games.

It is ridiculous to ignore the data just because it doesn't say what you want it to.

Calm down bub, I think that's the first time I've ever heard Crysis being referred to as NOT favoring NV. It's not ignoring data, it's culling the outlier and the non-game bench. Do you know what an outlier is? Even if you add back in Far Cry 2 despite it being a huge outlier game that hardly anyone still plays (if they ever played it to begin with), the GTS 250 would still only match the 5770. It'd make a $150 price tag somewhat more palatable, but an oc'd 5770 for $125AR is available on newegg as I type this, and sub-$130AR 5770s are getting to be more and more common.

 

[jeremyshaw]

What kind of bullshit is that? Hell, if we're throwing out games that favor one company over the other, lets throw out Crysis and BFBC2 because ATi performance card perform uncharacteristically better than nvidia. If you threw out all the games that favor nvidia over ati, you'd be left with a very small number of games.

It is ridiculous to ignore the data just because it doesn't say what you want it to.

Because several people on OCN discovered CUDA calls within the SDK, and learned the 1.1 SDK was made by nVidia, not Uniengine (2.0 is 1.1 - 1.1 was for nVidia to make benches; 2.1 is 2.0 with a tess slider iirc).

Call Uniengine, ask for the 1.1SDK - they will tell you it's owned by nVidia, not Uniengine.

 

[blastingcap]

Because several people on OCN discovered CUDA calls within the SDK, and learned the 1.1 SDK was made by nVidia, not Uniengine (2.0 is 1.1 - 1.1 was for nVidia to make benches; 2.1 is 2.0 with a tess slider iirc).

Call Uniengine, ask for the 1.1SDK - they will tell you it's owned by nVidia, not Uniengine.

Makes me wonder if NV tainted Far Cry 2 as well, that game is one serious outlier... I can't think of any other game that favors NV hardware more, not even Metro 2033.

In any case, Unigine is not a game, which is grounds for culling. Unigine, Vantage, whatever, they are not games and thus irrelevant when actual game fps comparisons may be made instead.

 

[sink257]

Nah, the poor Far Cry 2 FPS results on ati cards are because of driver bugs, as I distinctly recall my FC2 running faster using drivers around launch than those released now. (Although I heard they fixed the bug or whatever it was in the 10.8 drivers, I need to reinstall the game and check it out for myself.)

Either way, looks like the GTS450 is almost like a carbon-copy of the 5770. So much for competition.

And with the 6000 series looming around the corner, makes me wonder why nvidia doesn't ditch this gen and concentrate on the 500 series.

 

[samurai1999]

I wonder what those extra SDRAM pads are for
- the pcb is clearly design to accomodate a 192-bit bus....

GTS455 with 192-bits?

- which would mean that the GF106 is more than half a GF104....

 

[vjcsmoke]

150 msrp. Calling it now. AR prices are NOT comparable to msrps.

 

[kuyaglen]

128bit bus?

 

[trinibwoy]

It'd make a $150 price tag somewhat more palatable, but an oc'd 5770 for $125AR is available on newegg as I type this, and sub-$130AR 5770s are getting to be more and more common.

You might need to go find some bigger rebates

Amazon preorder listings for GTS 450
Palit $136
Palit OC $141
Evga $139
Evga SC $155

GTS455 with 192-bits?

According to the latest Everest the 455 is based on GF104.

 

[herfalerf]

since we are talking upcoming nvidia cards, has anyone heard about a 465 v 2.0 based on the gf104?

 

[blastingcap]

Judging by the existing leaks that peg it between a 5750 and 5770, you may want to retract that statement in the very near future.

You might need to go find some bigger rebates

Amazon preorder listings for GTS 450
Palit $136
Palit OC $141
Evga $139
Evga SC $155



According to the latest Everest the 455 is based on GF104.

 

[needmorecarnitine]

since we are talking upcoming nvidia cards, has anyone heard about a 465 v 2.0 based on the gf104?

No, but I have heard about the GTX 460 Type R Tokyo Edition

 

[trinibwoy]

Judging by the existing leaks that peg it between a 5750 and 5770, you may want to retract that statement in the very near future.

You do realize that the price of the 5770 is higher right? You're grasping tightly onto one 5770 that is $125 AR yet completely ignoring the fact that a) these 450 prices are rebate free and b) all the other 20 5770's at newegg are more expensive even after rebate. Heck, some of the 5750s are more expensive but let's just ignore all those for convenience sake The single 5770 that's cheaper is what matters, lol.

 

[kllrnohj]

The single 5770 that's cheaper is what matters, lol.

Correct, just like the cheapest GTS 450 is what matters

Of course, the 5770 is actually out, and the GTS 450 isn't. Who knows what'll happen to the GTS 450 price once it actually hits the streets.

I can't help but shrug over the GTS 450. Looks like it won't provide a particularly good value, just run as one of the pack. It's a bit of a trend now, but I'd be expecting a bit more for a 9 month wait (or however long it's been). Yay, Nvidia will finally have a cheap midrange card - a month or two before ATI launches their newer, faster cheap midrange cards.

 

[blastingcap]

You do realize that the price of the 5770 is higher right? You're grasping tightly onto one 5770 that is $125 AR yet completely ignoring the fact that a) these 450 prices are rebate free and b) all the other 20 5770's at newegg are more expensive even after rebate. Heck, some of the 5750s are more expensive but let's just ignore all those for convenience sake The single 5770 that's cheaper is what matters, lol.

You do realize that AR prices have been $113-130 a LOT recently right? For more than just one card, right? At least three or four right? That comparing stock cooling to some overpriced nonref cooling card is not logical, right? And that you are assuming a lot about a card that hasn't come out yet and doesn't look faster than a 5770 in leaked benches, right? That a lot of other people in forums other than this agree that if the GTS 450 is only as fast as a 5770 then it's not good enough to price it at $150, right? That the 6770 is about to come out and will presumably be much faster for not much more than $150, if history is any indication, right? That maybe we ought to let things rest because the card hasn't even come out yet so what's the point in arguing about its price/perf, right? Right. I'm glad that's settled. We'll just see how it performs first, it may not even beat a 5750 for all we know!

 

[MacLeod]

That doesnt look that impressive. Its slower than a 5770 in everything but Far Cry 2 but only costs $15 less than a 5770???

 

[Aaron11]

not too excited about the gts450 performance. I'm in the market for a card under $150 and it looks like the 5770 is still the one to buy. Besides, the 6xxx series will probably bring even more value to the table.

 

[herfalerf]

No, but I have heard about the GTX 460 Type R Tokyo Edition

that got vtec yo?

 

[Tudz]

5770 for $130AR has shown up a few times now, and one was going for $113AR yesterday (now expired deal). I have no idea if it'll be closer to a 5750 or 5770 so I'll reserve judgment on whether or not it's well-priced at $150.

Well its RRP is well priced, you dont know what deals its gonna have when it comes out. The $150 is only the "early adopters" price. Give it a month and see. Price/performance is a constantly changing variable, which is why I dont like to see it included in reviews... just state the performance and let the consumer figure out how cheap they can get the cards.

 

[blastingcap]

Well its RRP is well priced, you dont know what deals its gonna have when it comes out. The $150 is only the "early adopters" price. Give it a month and see. Price/performance is a constantly changing variable, which is why I dont like to see it included in reviews... just state the performance and let the consumer figure out how cheap they can get the cards.

I more or less agree. I like Anandtech's take on pricing the best because they tend to give more context about it... so if all reviewers did what Anandtech does, I'd be happy with their including the pricing in their reviews.

 

[trinibwoy]

You do realize that AR prices have been $113-130 a LOT recently right? For more than just one card, right? At least three or four right? That comparing stock cooling to some overpriced nonref cooling card is not logical, right? And that you are assuming a lot about a card that hasn't come out yet and doesn't look faster than a 5770 in leaked benches, right? That a lot of other people in forums other than this agree that if the GTS 450 is only as fast as a 5770 then it's not good enough to price it at $150, right? That the 6770 is about to come out and will presumably be much faster for not much more than $150, if history is any indication, right? That maybe we ought to let things rest because the card hasn't even come out yet so what's the point in arguing about its price/perf, right? Right. I'm glad that's settled. We'll just see how it performs first, it may not even beat a 5750 for all we know!

Heh, don't get so agitated. I was just amused that you picked ONE 5770 that supports your position when all the others were actually priced way higher. As if everybody in the world will be purchasing that single version of the 5770, lol. All I've said in this thread is that $150 would be a decent price for the card, given that the 5770 goes up to $175. You're the one trying to piss all over it as if it's complete trash compared to your precious 5770. But like you said, the 6770 is imminent and could very well make all this a moot discussion.

 

[trinibwoy]

Stolen benchies: A little faster than a 5750, highly overclockable.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1468442&postcount=6578
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1468440&postcount=6577

 

[lt_shiro]

doesn't look too bad if it is $130ish

 

[blastingcap]

Heh, don't get so agitated. I was just amused that you picked ONE 5770 that supports your position when all the others were actually priced way higher. As if everybody in the world will be purchasing that single version of the 5770, lol. All I've said in this thread is that $150 would be a decent price for the card, given that the 5770 goes up to $175. You're the one trying to piss all over it as if it's complete trash compared to your precious 5770. But like you said, the 6770 is imminent and could very well make all this a moot discussion.

I found your tone of voice to be rude and still find it to be so. If you want to hear how you sounded to me, here you go: "Sorry if I struck a nerve re: your precious GTS 450." Not too friendly sounding, is it? Well that's how you sound to me in this quoted post and your previous one, hence my getting "agitated" to use your term. Prior to that, in post #14 and before of this thread, you weren't being rude.

Anyway, I said that I felt $150 to be too high of a price, and that to maintain price/perf parity, if it slotted between a 5750 and 5770, something more like $125 might be better. (Note that it seems that all over the internet, there are plenty of people who think $150 would be too high of a price.) That's somehow pissing all over it?

I find also find it disingenuous to compare a $175 5770 with exotic cooling solution to more reasonably priced 5770s. Maybe I was "agitated" because of how disingenuous including that price point was. There are plenty of 5770s in the $125-150 range (several in the $125-130 recently) as I'm sure someone as knowledgeable as you would know. I also know that most people don't care that much about anything other than price, when it comes to same-GPU, so it's natural to look for the cheapest reasonable card. Powercolor is a legit company, and the $125AR card was its overclocked card. Not shabby. It's not as if it were a Diamond card with craptastic cooling or something. Anyway like I said, many 5770 cards have been $113AR-$130AR lately, not just one. Also the 5750 starts at $105AR to clear up what you claimed about starting at $125 though I understand that you prefer to not include rebates.

Now if I were to have focused on that rare $113AR Hot Deal I would understand your agitation more, but I think citing to $125AR-$130AR cards is fair game since those are becoming rather common deals recently.

P.S. Thanks for the leaked benches in your other post. I didn't find that post to be agitating at all (yes I am making a joke, since it's basically just a bunch of links). Keep up the good work.

P.P.S. I couldn't stop laughing the GTS 450 label in the marketing slide:

GTX 480 Maximum Firepower
GTX 460 The Gamers' Sweet Spot
GTX 450 LAN Party Pwning

I'm not laughing at the card, mind you, just the marketing label.

So... what happens if someone with a GTX 460 or 480 shows up at a LAN party? Hahaha.

 

[trinibwoy]

I found your tone of voice to be rude and still find it to be so.

I reread my posts in this thread. The only thing rude about them was that I didn't agree with your rebate argument, interesting definition of rude....lol.

P.P.S. I couldn't stop laughing the GTS 450 label in the marketing slide:

Yep, Nvidia marketing is obviously run by 13 year olds.

 

[trinibwoy]

A couple more slides available here - http://gpudesign.bafree.net/nvidia-gts-450-full-review

 

[blastingcap]

I reread my posts in this thread. The only thing rude about them was that I didn't agree with your rebate argument, interesting definition of rude....lol.

Yep, Nvidia marketing is obviously run by 13 year olds.

I would understand if I used the $113AR model as an example but I did not. Also, only the blind wouldn't see that $125AR-$130AR is readily available pretty much all the time now. No need to caricature someone else's position as "tightly grasping onto ONE card" or whatever. I didn't caricature YOUR position, nor did I do anything sketchy like including $175 exotic-cooling solution 5770s and comparing them with reference-style cards. AR vs. no-rebate is a better argument that has some validity if the company doesn't pay up or if you value that cash in hand and hassle, but for legit companies I consider it pretty close to being like cash (reasonable minds can differ). Even if you don't like AR, there are 5770s going for $150 or less without rebate. Which doesn't change the fact that a GTS 250 needs to beat $150 assuming it's not as fast as a 5770, to maintain price/perf parity. They can break parity if they want but I don't think that's a recipe for successful sales. I could be wrong.

 

[Wind]

Unremarkable, that 18% OCd Asus TOP could barely beat the reference 5770. The 5770 destroyed it at reference. Coupled with what's on the horizon in the next couple of month's I gotta wonder if these are even going to sell without massive price drops. Meh.

 

[blastingcap]

GTS 450 will be available on Sept 12th:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2103662

 

[needmorecarnitine]

doesn't look too bad if it is $130ish

I think it should be $99. But I also think that the regular price of a 5770 should be about $130 by now. With competition finally coming, we might see those prices a few weeks after the gts 450 launches.