GPU prices — is the worst behind us ?

Nytegard said:
I was in a similar situation. I wanted a 5090 but never found them available for purchase for under $3000. For that type of money, there are other purchases of things that I'd want instead.
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To each their own I don't mind a $3k GPU it's not really the end of the world to put it on the 0 interest card for a year and earn some cash back while at it.

What I do mind is now we can't get them at all and ram and everything else is crazy. A gpu going form 2.5k-3-4 was less worse then my ram kit going form $300-2k+ but now 5080s are almost what I paid for a 5090 that's crazy and sad makes me wish I bought two 5090 and kept one as a spare as I don't think we are getting a next gen 6090 and if we do it's going to be 10k
 
tunatime said:
To each their own I don't mind a $3k GPU it's not really the end of the world to put it on the 0 interest card for a year and earn some cash back while at it.

What I do mind is now we can't get them at all and ram and everything else is crazy. A gpu going form 2.5k-3-4 was less worse then my ram kit going form $300-2k+ but now 5080s are almost what I paid for a 5090 that's crazy and sad makes me wish I bought two 5090 and kept one as a spare as I don't think we are getting a next gen 6090 and if we do it's going to be 10k
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Nvidia may not do a 6090 for next gen, they may have a 6080 (like the 5080 24GB) as the halo card. Sam Altman thinks we plebes don't deserve to have memory in our PCs because he thinks all our memory belongs in data centers.
 
Agent_N said:
If you can get one at MC for anywhere near MSRP, maybe jump on it for a backup! I have my old AM4 and an RX9070 for backup in case my new AM5 and 9070XT conk out.
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Not a bad idea. The ship has sailed at the nearest MC, all over $1k and only 4 9070s left for $30 under the cheapest XT. I have old HW lying around which would work fine aside from a few games I can live without.

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HockeyJon said:
Corporations have a duty to shareholders, not to consumers. This isn't greed, it's the way things should work. You don't have to like it, but if Jensen doesn't maximize profits, he's failing in his fiduciary duty to shareholders. I'm pretty sure you don't walk into your boss' office and tell them not to worry about a raise this year, that you'll work for less to "do them a solid". That also doesn't make you greedy, it makes you a rational actor.
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Greed is their duty by definition if that's so.
 
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Prince Valiant said:
Greed is their duty by definition if that's so.
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It isn't greed per se, they do have to perform for those who invested in their company. Shareholders want to see a return on their investment since they are investing/part ownerships, which often drives companies to do stuff that is not ok at some point. Publicly owned companies are too complex to chalk up as mere greed, though a privately owned company might be easier to chalk up greed-like actions as greediness when the person in charge doesn't have to answer to a board or shareholders.
 
Agent_N said:
It isn't greed per se, they do have to perform for those who invested in their company. Shareholders want to see a return on their investment since they are investing/part ownerships, which often drives companies to do stuff that is not ok at some point. Publicly owned companies are too complex to chalk up as mere greed, though a privately owned company might be easier to chalk up greed-like actions as greediness when the person in charge doesn't have to answer to a board or shareholders.
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most of the shareholders are Nvidia employees themselves

surely they see the danger in making light of the gaming community 🤔
 
Marees said:
most of the shareholders are Nvidia employees themselves

surely they see the danger in making light of the gaming community 🤔
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That doesn't seem to be the case. I'm sure Nvidia employees own more than a few stocks, but it is unlikely that they are the majority stakeholders. Jensen Huang has a sizable amount (800 plus million) versus Colette Kress who has about 5 million shares.

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/s...dia-top-insiders-institutional-002911719.html

https://www.tickergate.com/stocks/nvda/ownership
 
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erek said:
"AI demand triggers massive PCB shortage for PC makers as order books full until 2030 — lead times stretch to 30 months as material costs surge 12x"

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...etch-to-30-months-as-material-costs-surge-12x
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I can attest to this. I've got a 1/2 dozen PCBs in fab and the assembly house is having to jump through hoops to get them. I've had to approve two PCB laminates that I've never heard of before because the usual stuff is out of stock or very expensive. These new laminates are from Asia and suck compared to what was standard, cheap, FR4. I wouldn't want to be doing high speed designs today.
 

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“NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-Series Scheduled for up to $500 Price Hike This Week​

by AleksandarK Today, 04:24 Discuss (20 Comments)
NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 50-Series "Blackwell" gaming graphics cards are expected to see significant price adjustments this week. According to Chinese ChannelGate, add-in card (AIC) partners have confirmed that price hikes are scheduled due to the ongoing demand for these GPUs outstripping supply. Some major AIC partners, like Colorful and Galax, have reportedly already started sharing information about these price increases. The most significant example is expected to be for SKUs based on NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 DV2, which will see an increase of up to 3,300 RMB, translating to nearly $500. Even entry-level GPUs are not exempt, as the GeForce RTX 5060 is expected to see around a $30 price increase on existing models. These changes are anticipated to be implemented this week for retail partners, meaning that consumer prices might take a week or two to reflect the new listing prices.
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Below is the list of price hikes in China, expected to be the norm everywhere.“
 
TXE36 said:
I can attest to this. I've got a 1/2 dozen PCBs in fab and the assembly house is having to jump through hoops to get them. I've had to approve two PCB laminates that I've never heard of before because the usual stuff is out of stock or very expensive. These new laminates are from Asia and suck compared to what was standard, cheap, FR4. I wouldn't want to be doing high speed designs today.
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Soon the average Joe will start feeling this when you can’t get replacement parts or buy a replacement for your failed electronics/car/AC/etc.
Kinda glad I’m no longer working in electronics manufacturing.
 
erek said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWm2MHL2i0

“NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-Series Scheduled for up to $500 Price Hike This Week​

by AleksandarK Today, 04:24 Discuss (20 Comments)
NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 50-Series "Blackwell" gaming graphics cards are expected to see significant price adjustments this week. According to Chinese ChannelGate, add-in card (AIC) partners have confirmed that price hikes are scheduled due to the ongoing demand for these GPUs outstripping supply. Some major AIC partners, like Colorful and Galax, have reportedly already started sharing information about these price increases. The most significant example is expected to be for SKUs based on NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 DV2, which will see an increase of up to 3,300 RMB, translating to nearly $500. Even entry-level GPUs are not exempt, as the GeForce RTX 5060 is expected to see around a $30 price increase on existing models. These changes are anticipated to be implemented this week for retail partners, meaning that consumer prices might take a week or two to reflect the new listing prices.
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Below is the list of price hikes in China, expected to be the norm everywhere.“
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at this rate, the steam machine will start looking like a good deal !!
 
gtrguy said:
Soon the average Joe will start feeling this when you can’t get replacement parts or buy a replacement for your failed electronics/car/AC/etc.
Kinda glad I’m no longer working in electronics manufacturing.
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It isn't just the average Joe. I work in aviation and all electronics is creeping up at a higher rate than normal. The only stuff that is relatively stable is the 20 year old stuff that they still make because it is stupid reliable.
 
gtrguy said:
Soon the average Joe will start feeling this when you can’t get replacement parts or buy a replacement for your failed electronics/car/AC/etc.
Kinda glad I’m no longer working in electronics manufacturing.
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I will say AC parts are getting harder to find same day. Pre COVID most supply houses had pretty much every board in stock.....now it's basically standard for it to take 2-3 days. High end systems are much worse I had 3 customers waiting on Bosch bova condenser fans this summer as they had a month + backlog everywhere that I could get a warranty through.

Feels like they are planing to kill us off or something
 
tunatime said:
I will say AC parts are getting harder to find same day. Pre COVID most supply houses had pretty much every board in stock.....now it's basically standard for it to take 2-3 days. High end systems are much worse I had 3 customers waiting on Bosch bova condenser fans this summer as they had a month + backlog everywhere that I could get a warranty through.

Feels like they are planing to kill us off or something
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There is no correcting this madness until/unless the build out slows drastically. Unfortunately, there are enough corrupt city councils willing to take the payoff and approve the data centers while their whole town yells at them.
 
9060xt 16gb has hit $1000 in canada, kicking myself for not getting one at $699.

Oh well, I might just have to start playing non shooters and indie games in my very limited gaming time
 
Harvestor said:
9060xt 16gb has hit $1000 in canada, kicking myself for not getting one at $699.

Oh well, I might just have to start playing non shooters and indie games in my very limited gaming time
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You shouldn't be. MSRP for that card in Canada is just under $500 CAD for the 16GB model. $699 was, and remains, an absolute rip off for a 9060XT.
 
Ididar said:
There is no correcting this madness until/unless the build out slows drastically. Unfortunately, there are enough corrupt city councils willing to take the payoff and approve the data centers while their whole town yells at them.
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Have you seen the price of things like unistrut and conduit/pvc lately? It's crazy the price equipment is nowadays. I just got a quote for a 5-ton roof mount package unit thing was $12,000. At the start of the summer we put the same uint in a another part of the same building and it was 8200 for the system. If you want something buy it now and get some solar on your house
 

“GPU Prices Up Again in October, RTX 5090 Now Sells for 262% Over MSRP Worldwide​

by DrUsmanSaleem Today, 16:01 Discuss (3 Comments)
In a big surprise to no one, graphics card prices went up again in October. TechSpot's latest survey across 10 countries shows GPU prices rising 11% month over month, following a 15% jump in August and 7% in September, or roughly 35% over three months. On average, cards now sell for 44% above MSRP, climbing to 58% in the US and Canada. Keep in mind these numbers track the lowest in-stock price in each region, so most models cost even more. Moreover, there is another GeForce RTX 50-series price hike on the horizon, so these numbers will rise again pretty soon.

The GeForce RTX 5090 is in a league of its own. It got 32% pricier in a month, and its normalized global price of $7,240 sits a staggering 262% above its $1,999 MSRP, almost double the 136% figure from early September. In the US, the cheapest in-stock model now costs $9,400, or 370% over MSRP, and most models now sit above $11,000 comfortably. The RTX 5080 is following a similar path, up 22% in a month to $2,200 in the US, while Newegg had none of its own in stock when the data was collected. TechSpot argues the GDDR7 memory crisis can't explain a jump that big, and some retail sources apparently told them wholesale RTX 5080 costs have gone up recently too.“
 
tunatime said:
Have you seen the price of things like unistrut and conduit/pvc lately?
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I remember when PVC pipe and pipe cement was cheap. It skyrocketed during covid and hasn't really come down.

The datacenters are using a lot more raw materials beyond GPUs and DRAM.

Here in TX the delivery charges for electricity are nearly 1/2 the bill. This isn't the cost of the electricity itself, but the charge to deliver it to you, and unlike the electricity, there is no contract price on the delivery. In 2016, you could get electricity for about $0.09/KWH with a $0.02/KWH delivery charge. Today that delivery charge is $0.0635/KWH! Some of this is recovery from the big TX freeze a few years ago, but some of it is also likely paying for infrastructure build out for these data centers.

Why should members of the public like AI? I've always liked tech, but the "screw these guys" reaction is coming out more and more.
 
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TXE36 said:
I remember when PVC pipe and pipe cement was cheap. It skyrocketed during covid and hasn't really come down.

The datacenters are using a lot more raw materials beyond GPUs and DRAM.

Here in TX the delivery charges for electricity are nearly 1/2 the bill. This isn't the cost of the electricity itself, but the charge to deliver it to you, and unlike the electricity, there is no contract price on the delivery. In 2016, you could get electricity for about $0.09/KWH with a $0.02/KWH delivery charge. Today that delivery charge is $0.0635/KWH! Some of this is recovery from the big TX freeze a few years ago, but some of it is also likely paying for infrastructure build out for these data centers.

Why should members of the public like AI? I've always liked tech, but the "screw these guys" reaction is coming out more and more.
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We have the same issue here in DE, delivery charges are half or more of the electric bill. They were lumped in with electricity cost and now that they are broken out as a separate line item, everyone is upset about the cost.
 
HockeyJon said:
You shouldn't be. MSRP for that card in Canada is just under $500 CAD for the 16GB model. $699 was, and remains, an absolute rip off for a 9060XT
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All GPUs are rip offs at this current moment, problem is that my current card needs updating, i refused to buy covid market and now need something soon, used market is pooched and 9060xt was the best value i felt.
 
Harvestor said:
All GPUs are rip offs at this current moment, problem is that my current card needs updating, i refused to buy covid market and now need something soon, used market is pooched and 9060xt was the best value i felt.
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new cards could launch in a year's time. by that time the market could have cooled a bit too
 
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Maybe the price of 5090s is going up because the business unit within NVidia that makes these chips is worried that it doesn't contribute enough to corporate profits. Therefore it is at risk of being shut down. To address that risk, they raise prices, which goes to the bottom line. Bingo!! Problem solves, because Jensen is now happy.
 
Harvestor said:
All GPUs are rip offs at this current moment, problem is that my current card needs updating, i refused to buy covid market and now need something soon, used market is pooched and 9060xt was the best value i felt.
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When the 9060XT was going for $700, you were still able to get the 9070XT for $1000 or less in a lot of cases, and there is a significant difference between those two cards. 9060XT hasn't been good value in Canada for a while now. It's barely good value at $500 CAD, although relative to this market that's probably the most it should cost.
 
Nytegard said:
The only thing that might be good news is if they're just trying to clear inventory for an upcoming release.

Personally though, I wouldn't hold my breath on that though.
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That's almost certainly what they're doing, but expect the launch MSRP of the new series of cards to be significantly higher. I hate it, but Nvidia would be stupid not to raise their prices at this point.
 
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