heatlesssun
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Hire based on merrits. There. Solved.
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Hire based on merrits. There. Solved.
The committee selected the guy - 5/6 vote. The ultimate decision was overridden from above - they hired the female. They wanted to diversify our workplace.
Where do I apply I would definitely fill their quotaI work in a very liberal place. They actively hire women, people with different sexual orientations and minorities over white people. But she had two tits and no penis. Guess who got the job? The committee selected the guy - 5/6 vote. The ultimate decision was overridden from above - they hired the female. They wanted to diversify our workplace. We originally had 4 men and 2 women in my department, we are now down to 2 men and 3 women. The other person - not sure if m/f/?. The person was hired because of supposedly being a transgender. .
I work in a very liberal place. They actively hire women, people with different sexual orientations and minorities over white people. It's an unofficial policy - but its real. I was on a supposed "committee" to find a person last year. One candidate was perfect - but he was white, non-gay, non-trans, normal guy with lots of experience. Another was female, not a lot of experience. But she had two tits and no penis. Guess who got the job? The committee selected the guy - 5/6 vote. The ultimate decision was overridden from above - they hired the female. They wanted to diversify our workplace. We originally had 4 men and 2 women in my department, we are now down to 2 men and 3 women. The other person - not sure if m/f/?. The person was hired because of supposedly being a transgender. Whatever. I don't care what you are as long as you get the job done and don't cause me extra work.
When we are hiring candidates that are no as qualified to make the higher ups happy, I call bullshit. In my opinion, we have struggled and I see big problems on the horizon do to not hiring the best person for the job. I'm just trying to figure out how to get through the next 20ish years so I can retire and be done with this shit. Don't even get me started with some of the snowflakes I have to supervise.
For the record, I don't have a problem working with different types of people or females. My problem is when hiring them is a priority over talent.
Not exactly true, or at least subtle differences in the wording.
It says
'Stop restricting programs and classes to certain genders or races,' or basically don't discriminate on the basis of race.
Read the whole thing it seems pretty reasonable:
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320/amp
Crazy that things have gotten to the point where these ideas are considered shocking or scandalous.
I work in a very liberal place. They actively hire women, people with different sexual orientations and minorities over white people. It's an unofficial policy - but its real. I was on a supposed "committee" to find a person last year. One candidate was perfect - but he was white, non-gay, non-trans, normal guy with lots of experience. Another was female, not a lot of experience. But she had two tits and no penis. Guess who got the job? The committee selected the guy - 5/6 vote. The ultimate decision was overridden from above - they hired the female. They wanted to diversify our workplace. We originally had 4 men and 2 women in my department, we are now down to 2 men and 3 women. The other person - not sure if m/f/?. The person was hired because of supposedly being a transgender. Whatever. I don't care what you are as long as you get the job done and don't cause me extra work.
When we are hiring candidates that are no as qualified to make the higher ups happy, I call bullshit. In my opinion, we have struggled and I see big problems on the horizon do to not hiring the best person for the job. I'm just trying to figure out how to get through the next 20ish years so I can retire and be done with this shit. Don't even get me started with some of the snowflakes I have to supervise.
For the record, I don't have a problem working with different types of people or females. My problem is when hiring them is a priority over talent.
IDIC
Even if he has a point about differences, sexual dimorphism in humans isn't great enough to not have a massive overlap between the sexes in various individuals. So if he's suggesting to not hire any women in tech roles because he claims they're less able to do a certain job, that's idiotic, because some women clearly are able to do the job, and as a company Google shouldn't let those people work for competitors.
My guess however is that there's no difference in ability, just in interest. And most or all (would need a study to determine how much) of that is cultural, not inherent. Women are perfectly capable of doing tech work, just as I (a male) am perfectly capable of doing needlepoint. They just have less interest, as I don't in needlepoint. However, certain individuals may for whatever reason be interested, even if on average women aren't. Those women deserve to be hired and have just as much upward mobility as anyone else.
Agreed. It's highly likely that any woman who gets hired at Google, is VERY interested in engineering etc etc. Even if they're technically an outlier amongst the rest of women, I'm sure they're plenty capable. As long as Google or any other company, doesn't lower their standards for the sake of hiring anybody, then it's a non-issue.
ya a couple of BS incidents means there is no problems.Watch as this "manifesto" ends up being fake, and done by some jerk who wanted people to hate conservatives more, like all the fake racial crap during the election (black people painting kkk on sides of black churches, jewish kid painting a swastika and Trump on a synagogue, etc).
Some people are twisted and desperate.
What? Are you saying we shouldn't segregate eachother into groups a'la "Black lives matter", "Black Television", "Black Magazine", "Black Employee Network" or "Women's employee Network" ?
Are you saying we should just have a... *gasp* employee network?
Get out good sir. Your logic and reasoning have no place here.
ya a couple of BS incidents means there is no problems.
One conservative does something it's not representative of all conservatives
One non conservative does something and it means they are all filthy commies that hate America.
This country is doomed. The delusions of conservatives will seal it.
Hire based on merrits. There. Solved.
Not at all reality.Oh please. According to the left every white male is some bigoted sexist, racist, that needs to be punished for something.
I'll just leave this here.
Um...cuck and libsplain
and you folks wonder why people talk shit.
good lord.
The more diverse a group of people is the less they get along, and the more different needs they have. So in reality the best team is made of people with similar interests and work ethics. And I speak from experience here.A *team* works better with some level of diversity..
Not at all reality.
Right wing media has pushed a false narrative to the point many conservatives actually believe it. The war on white men is a complete myth. False self righteous grievances have taken over conservatism and handed the country over to silliness. For fuck's sake your nonsense has pushed the DOJ into inserting itself into college admissions practices. It's gone beyond silliness.
There is also no war on Christmas, or a war on Christians, or war on whatever coming from the left. The left that has been powerless in this country for the most part for decades. Relax, nothing bad is going to happen to us white guys.
I'll just leave this here.
LOL, where do you guys get your "scientific" information from? Standing in line at the supermarket?Exactly. It's been shown that girl babies pay more attention to faces and less attention to things than boy babies. It's largely biological.
The entire discrimination in the name of diversity topic is pretty multi-faceted and complex. There are good arguments for and against. All things considered, the guy supports his position fairly well.
What I find more interesting is the response to the memo. The vilification and hate, the various people, even his own co-workers, that are going after his job. The author didn't say anything barbarous, and in fact made some good arguments on an important topic. Even if you disagree with him, this area could use healthy debate. It's not as if we're dealing with a binary choice, so it's a good idea to try to pin down exactly where along the gradient to stake a claim.
The general attitude of the response so far does a good job of showing the general left-leaning bias of the media, at least the portions of which report on this sort of thing, as well as the unfortunate authoritarian streak that is currently plaguing the left. The authoritarians can't help but to take everything too far, and everyone else overcompensates against it, leading to situations like a Trump presidency.
Unfortunately, this state of affairs is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. The biggest fear is that, if the left continues unabated in this feedback loop of increasing intolerance, the world will end up being run, almost exclusively, by the worst kind of right wing governments in response.
LOL, where do you guys get your "scientific" information from? Standing in line at the supermarket?
I have a doctorate degree from UC Irvine and my wife has her master's. You can look up whether UC Irvine is considered a liberal bastion and whether our neurosciences are something that you think might be more "scientific" than this shit you quoted. Generally, I prefer to read well-cited, peer reviewed research which this paper has none and isn't.better question is where do you? SJW-u?
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...cf2cfe203c1fde2.pdf?origin=publication_detail
"How early are such sex differences in empathy evident? Certainly, by 12 months of age, girls make more eye contact than boys. But a study from Cambridge University shows that at birth, girls look longer at a face, and boys look longer at a suspended mechanical mobile. Furthermore, the Cambridge team found that how much eye contact children make is in part determined by a biological factor, prenatal testosterone. This has been demonstrated by measuring this hormone in amniotic fluid"
Not at all reality.
Right wing media has pushed a false narrative to the point many conservatives actually believe it. The war on white men is a complete myth.