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Good headset?

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I'm gonna do a little gaming, and would like a decent headset. It needs a mic (CS:GO). Id like some good 3d sound/surround. I've read multi driver headsets are a waste of money, and simulations are just as good or better. I only have the onboard sound card on my gd65. Any recommendations?
 
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pc360 is $250? lol

You want a sound card asus dgx or dac/amp like the FiiO E7 and headphones are samson sr850, AD700, sennheiser 558 (used if you can get it on amazon), akg 701 (used again if you can) and a separate mic or the PC360. You want an open headphone for the best gaming sound.

Look to this forum for more/most info

http://www.head-fi.org/f/7775/video-games-discussion
 
pc360 is $250? lol

You want a sound card asus dgx or dac/amp like the FiiO E7 and headphones are samson sr850, AD700, sennheiser 558 (used if you can get it on amazon), akg 701 (used again if you can) and a separate mic or the PC360. You want an open headphone for the best gaming sound.

Look to this forum for more/most info

http://www.head-fi.org/f/7775/video-games-discussion

A used PC360 can go as low $150 sometimes. The OP didn't mention a budget, so their is a wide array of options he can choose from until he gives us a budget to work with.

The AD700 does not need an external headphone amp, of course you can have one just for a bit of sound adjustment (gain, eq, on the fly volume control etc). And if you get the E7 then you may as well get the E10 as a amp/dac combo.

The HD558 don't require external juice for gaming, it's not necessary but you do need to have a decent sound card so the onboard opamp will drive it from 32-300ohms which most soundcards are rated to do fine at.

The PC360 compared to all the one's you mentioned, it is superior above all others for FPS games.
 
A used PC360 can go as low $150 sometimes. The OP didn't mention a budget, so their is a wide array of options he can choose from until he gives us a budget to work with.

The AD700 does not need an external headphone amp, of course you can have one just for a bit of sound adjustment (gain, eq, on the fly volume control etc). And if you get the E7 then you may as well get the E10 as a amp/dac combo.

The HD558 don't require external juice for gaming, it's not necessary but you do need to have a decent sound card so the onboard opamp will drive it from 32-300ohms which most soundcards are rated to do fine at.

The PC360 compared to all the one's you mentioned, it is superior above all others for FPS games.

PC360, for me, sound almost the same as HD555 (they use the same drivers)... and both grow A TON when fully amped.

With that said, AD700 have NO BASS, nothing, so you better keep that in mind when choosing a headphone.

My choice? Sennheiser cans aren't bad because they are all around, but can't say I like them (and have some... HD650, HD555, HD25, PC350 and PC360), but can't say I like AD700 neither (too bass lacking).

You should keep in mind whether you need open or closed cans before aiming after one model and, a must if you have the chance, try the cans before you buy them with similar gear to the one you will have. Some cans grow with good amps, so...
 
I have no budget. I don't want to spend 250-300 unless it's gonna be worth it.

As far as sound card, I do have a pci x-fi fps card in box. But I have heard of issues with using pci, and not pci-x.

I have no issue buying a sound card. I won't game a ton. But have no issues spending company money on stuff.
 
You want something that can do dolby headphone. After that, any one of those headphones are known for good gaming sound. Just pick what you want to spend really.
 
Not to me. I basically got a better version of that in the 558 for around $110 usd.
 
PC330 is 160 on sale.

Other one I looked at was the creative sigmas gh0140. I heard good things about the cheaper alphas, but alphas I'd have to order online, but these are quiet a bit cheaper then the PC line, so I'd expect less. I'll see if I can find HD558.

What is recommended for a sound card, or can I use my legacy PCI one?
 
PC360 is $300 CDN, worth the coin?

Its not. I've got both PC360 and PC350 only because I want to do a review in some time and got both for around $120 shipped (PC350 needs pads replaced, but driver themselves are ok, and thats the only thing that matters to me :D:D:D:D ).

For instance, the PC360 sound very similar to the HD555, and the latter costs around 1/3 of the former... yeah, you have a microphone... but you also get a SHITTY volume controller at the headset that will get on your nerves when you lose audio on one of the channels and need to move it up and down till it gets fixed :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :mad::mad::mad:

My recommendation: stay away from ANYTHING that has a mic attached to it. You are paying a heck for something that can be get for $5 and will be as good (also, if mic brokes, you buy another one... if it brokes on PC350 or PC360... well, :( ).
 
PC360 is $300 CDN, worth the coin?

No, they are not. Like others have said, unless you MUST have a mic attached to the headphone, get the Senn HD555's.

I have little kids running around like little crazy samurais lots of times. I need a mic that gets zero background noise some nights, unless they blow up a cherry bomb or something. Or frying their grandma. The Senns PC360 are nice for that.
 
... My recommendation: stay away from ANYTHING that has a mic attached to it...

^ This

You can get a nicer set of cans and a superior mic as separate pieces.


p.s

I thought the PC360's were heavy, hot and even with a headphone amp they sounded dead. Without an amp they are simply unusable. Mic was weak as well. It should be priced around $50 in my opinion.
 
Yeah 555, 585, will give you a really nice gaming sound. I find them to be the second best for directional sound only to the akg 701.

Oh, look on headfi and locally, if you can score a akg 601, 701 used those are great too. Don't be afraid to buy on headfi if the seller has good feedback. I have never had an issue there in 7 years and there is a good number of Canadians on there.
 
Since a lot of people alluded to it but no one mentioned it... If you're going with regular headphones but still want a boom mic you should get an AntLion ModMic, they're like $30 which is a little pricey but the snap on magnet design is very clever (makes it easily removable) and the mic itself is pretty good (doesn't pick up every little background sound, like Zalman clip ons), personally I think it sounds better than some higher end USB microphones out there. Obviously you can always opt for a desktop mic as well.

As far as headphones, if you game in a noisy environment you'll want closed headphones, otherwise open headphones (like most of those recommend in the thread) plus a sound card that does Dobby Headphone or CMSS-3D will give you the best positional audio in games. The Samson SR850 mentioned above are a good budget option.
 
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PC360, for me, sound almost the same as HD555 (they use the same drivers)... and both grow A TON when fully amped.


Anything will "grow" having it amped, but it's only subtle differences to sound quality but the volume you can adjust on the fly. I don't know about the HD555 using the same drivers as the PC360 (although Sennheiser has always used the same drivers for other models > HD555/595, HD580/600, HD570/590). That being said, if they are the same drivers used, then they are quite easy to drive.


With that said, AD700 have NO BASS, nothing, so you better keep that in mind when choosing a headphone.

+1 The AD700 has no bass. Their is bass presence but it is very very small. But yet again for online gaming you don't want no bass heavy, bass head, bass bloated headphones, it will just congest all sound frequencies having the treb and mids recessed like a mofo.

My choice? Sennheiser cans aren't bad because they are all around, but can't say I like them (and have some... HD650, HD555, HD25, PC350 and PC360), but can't say I like AD700 neither (too bass lacking).

You should keep in mind whether you need open or closed cans before aiming after one model and, a must if you have the chance, try the cans before you buy them with similar gear to the one you will have. Some cans grow with good amps, so...

It all comes down to efficiency when driving the headphones, matching impedence driving or picking the right amp sound sig to match the sig of your headphones or, choosing a bright amp for a dark and warm sig headphone etc. Out of the ones you listed you claim to have, the HD650's are the only one's that really need an amp to shine. Very much like my HD800 which I use for gaming occasionally when it's not getting head time from me during music listening hours.

PC360 is $300 CDN, worth the coin?

No, that's why I said in my previous post grab yourself a used one for less then $180 majority of the time. Head-fi, [H] and ebay are your friend (or locally of course, BB, Amazon black friday sales etc).

Its not. I've got both PC360 and PC350 only because I want to do a review in some time and got both for around $120 shipped (PC350 needs pads replaced, but driver themselves are ok, and thats the only thing that matters to me :D:D:D:D ).

For instance, the PC360 sound very similar to the HD555, and the latter costs around 1/3 of the former... yeah, you have a microphone... but you also get a SHITTY volume controller at the headset that will get on your nerves when you lose audio on one of the channels and need to move it up and down till it gets fixed :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :mad::mad::mad:

My recommendation: stay away from ANYTHING that has a mic attached to it. You are paying a heck for something that can be get for $5 and will be as good (also, if mic brokes, you buy another one... if it brokes on PC350 or PC360... well, :( ).

+1, a Zalman boom mic that you can attach to your HD555 or w/e if you do get them will only cost $10.

Yeah 555, 585, will give you a really nice gaming sound. I find them to be the second best for directional sound only to the akg 701.

Oh, look on headfi and locally, if you can score a akg 601, 701 used those are great too. Don't be afraid to buy on headfi if the seller has good feedback. I have never had an issue there in 7 years and there is a good number of Canadians on there.

The K701 will not complement online gaming as good as the other ones mentioned. Yes the K/Q701,702's are open can's, decent imaging but pretty big soundstaging which is a positive adv for directional sound esp footsteps in fps games, but it is a neutral + bright sig headphone. It will become an annoyance for the OP for those screeching high frequencies he will hear. And second the K/Q701/702 are overrated and hyped just like the ATH-M50's and AD700's. If your a follower long enough on Head-fi you will notice the regular hypes going back and forth with these headphones. Just like Uncle Erik once said, you don't need a $1000 amp to drive the K/Q701/702's. Because they will always sound dull, lifeless and boring.
 
Didn't say I liked the sound of the akg but that it and the 585 have great directional sound. For fps neutral aka dull, open headphones have the best directional sound. Since most folks play in the home, closed headphones are really only when needed.
 
Didn't say I liked the sound of the akg but that it and the 585 have great directional sound. For fps neutral aka dull, open headphones have the best directional sound. Since most folks play in the home, closed headphones are really only when needed.

Yep. +1.
 
^ This

You can get a nicer set of cans and a superior mic as separate pieces.


p.s

I thought the PC360's were heavy, hot and even with a headphone amp they sounded dead. Without an amp they are simply unusable. Mic was weak as well. It should be priced around $50 in my opinion.

Yup, I tried them without amping and they sounded... dull.

Yeah 555, 585, will give you a really nice gaming sound. I find them to be the second best for directional sound only to the akg 701.

Oh, look on headfi and locally, if you can score a akg 601, 701 used those are great too. Don't be afraid to buy on headfi if the seller has good feedback. I have never had an issue there in 7 years and there is a good number of Canadians on there.

You NEED an amp with the K701 (and K601, although to a lesser extent). With that said, though, you truly want to try them before because they are a beast on their own. Love me or hate me (and you will hate them at first no matter what, you need to get your skull drilled for some time by that infernal headband :D :D :D :D :D :D ), but because you need an amp I'd make sure to test them BEFORE buying.

As far as headphones, if you game in a noisy environment you'll want closed headphones, otherwise open headphones (like most of those recommend in the thread) plus a sound card that does Dobby Headphone or CMSS-3D will give you the best positional audio in games. The Samson SR850 mentioned above are a good budget option.

I wouldn't touch CMSS3D for CS:Go not even with a 10 feet pole...specially not if we are talking about expensive cans. If you use $10 cans then no problem, but with cans that can actually play some good music using CMSS3D should be punishable. :D:D

It all comes down to efficiency when driving the headphones, matching impedence driving or picking the right amp sound sig to match the sig of your headphones or, choosing a bright amp for a dark and warm sig headphone etc. Out of the ones you listed you claim to have, the HD650's are the only one's that really need an amp to shine. Very much like my HD800 which I use for gaming occasionally when it's not getting head time from me during music listening hours.



No, that's why I said in my previous post grab yourself a used one for less then $180 majority of the time. Head-fi, [H] and ebay are your friend (or locally of course, BB, Amazon black friday sales etc).



+1, a Zalman boom mic that you can attach to your HD555 or w/e if you do get them will only cost $10.



The K701 will not complement online gaming as good as the other ones mentioned. Yes the K/Q701,702's are open can's, decent imaging but pretty big soundstaging which is a positive adv for directional sound esp footsteps in fps games, but it is a neutral + bright sig headphone. It will become an annoyance for the OP for those screeching high frequencies he will hear. And second the K/Q701/702 are overrated and hyped just like the ATH-M50's and AD700's. If your a follower long enough on Head-fi you will notice the regular hypes going back and forth with these headphones. Just like Uncle Erik once said, you don't need a $1000 amp to drive the K/Q701/702's. Because they will always sound dull, lifeless and boring.

Not bragging or anything, I just bought a lot of cans (that I keep as of today, although will sell most once I've settled on a few :D:D ) so I speak for myself :cool:

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(I've got a few extras... such as AD700 and AKG K550).

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(i also like keyboards, lol, although now I've settled around the switches I truly like after trying a ton of different onces). (Mx black vs Topre vs Mx red vs Mx brown).

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Setup I have now (Matrix M-Stage + HRT Streamer II+). Not a high-end system by any account, but powerful enough for any $500 or below headphone.

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So, I understand you'd take the HD650 over the K701 any day... but I wouldn't ;) The same thing that makes the K701 dull and boring for you, makes them very special for me. I don't know, maybe its me remembering when I used to be a classical musician (cello player) but I love about everything of the K701. Of course, don't expect them to be any good for badly recorded (or mixed) music nor for bass-heavy music... but, for all the other styles, they are perfect (a BIG IMO here :p ).

Sure, If I only could have a pair of cans at home, It wouldn't be the K701. They do some styles as good as you can imagine, but they are not an all-around can. In this regard the HD650 is superior because there isn't really any style in which It can't be used... but because I have some different cans, all-around ones aren't my type when I can switch as easily (with that said, though, the HD650 are kinda growing on me, although not to the point of keeping them, atm).

I don't know, this is all personal stuff. What everybody should do is...
a) Test the cans before buying them..
b) (if you can't test the cans by any means) Do as I do: buy them all (2nd hand) and then sell the ones you don't like :D:D:D:D:D

In big cities you can go and try the cans by yourself, but I'd have to take a flight to do so, hehe.

With that said, though, agreed with the AD700 being over-rated (and with the Zalman mic, I always recommend them) . They were so recommended I had to buy a pair (2nd hand too) to test them and...hugh. Don't see where the hype is comming, I'll take any HD555 over those AD700 any time.
 
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Yup, I tried them without amping and they sounded... dull.

Who would use a PC360 for music listening? They are designed with the gamer in mind, directional and positional sound is one of the strong feats of the PC360. For music listening strictly? No chance, I'd rather a Denon D2K over them and that's saying something.


I wouldn't touch CMSS3D for CS:Go not even with a 10 feet pole...specially not if we are talking about expensive cans. If you use $10 cans then no problem, but with cans that can actually play some good music using CMSS3D should be punishable. :D:D

+1, features like the CMSS3D is absolutely rubbish, it will mess up the sound more so then be of any much of a benefit instead.

Not bragging or anything, I just bought a lot of cans (that I keep as of today, although will sell most once I've settled on a few :D:D ) so I speak for myself :cool:

(i also like keyboards, lol, although now I've settled around the switches I truly like after trying a ton of different onces). (Mx black vs Topre vs Mx red vs Mx brown).

Nice rig, what open design chassis is that? Brand? Reminds me of the Antec Skeleton open designed case.

Setup I have now (Matrix M-Stage + HRT Streamer II+). Not a high-end system by any account, but powerful enough for any $500 or below headphone.

The Matrix M-Stage is a pretty good DAC/amp. More so when I used it was performed remarkably well with some opamp rolling. AD627b's anybody? :D

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So, I understand you'd take the HD650 over the K701 any day... but I wouldn't ;) The same thing that makes the K701 dull and boring for you, makes them very special for me. I don't know, maybe its me remembering when I used to be a classical musician (cello player) but I love about everything of the K701. Of course, don't expect them to be any good for badly recorded (or mixed) music nor for bass-heavy music... but, for all the other styles, they are perfect (a BIG IMO here :p ).

What hurts most about the K701 is the bright signature, it can at least times, the highs be more painfully brighter then the similarly priced mid-range Grado's. What was a disappointment was AKG discontinuing their beasty flagship the K1000 for a mediocre K700 which is not even a third of what the K1000 'when amped' properly can do.


Sure, If I only could have a pair of cans at home, It wouldn't be the K701. They do some styles as good as you can imagine, but they are not an all-around can. In this regard the HD650 is superior because there isn't really any style in which It can't be used... but because I have some different cans, all-around ones aren't my type when I can switch as easily (with that said, though, the HD650 are kinda growing on me, although not to the point of keeping them, atm).

Get yourself a Bottlehead Crack kit and you will then know what the HD650's can offer. The HD650's shine best with jazz.

I don't know, this is all personal stuff. What everybody should do is...
a) Test the cans before buying them..
b) (if you can't test the cans by any means) Do as I do: buy them all (2nd hand) and then sell the ones you don't like :D:D:D:D:D


In big cities you can go and try the cans by yourself, but I'd have to take a flight to do so, hehe.

+1, testing before you buy?? Now that's one thing I strongly recommend also.


With that said, though, agreed with the AD700 being over-rated (and with the Zalman mic, I always recommend them) . They were so recommended I had to buy a pair (2nd hand too) to test them and...hugh. Don't see where the hype is comming, I'll take any HD555 over those AD700 any time.

Same here, I did exactly that 3.5 years ago. Oh and remove that foam disc beneath the grills covering the drivers, exact sound as the HD595's, same drivers.

:D .
 

Why not use PC360 for listening to music? The only thing that makes them a "gaming can" is the fact that they have a mic attached, because the sound signature is very similar to an HD555 (although much much more expensive).

The case is a Microcool Banchetto rev. 2 aluminum. Yup, its 100% aluminum yet it weights a ton because the panels are super thick. Its very nice and easy to work with, and you can put a triple rad with no problems on the back of the case.

About the HD555... I may try to remove the grill, I've read it a lot of times but never bothered.

Well, back to Borderlands 2, I have some mutants to kill :D:D:D:D:D:D:D



Ohh and please resize those pictures, damn huge bro.

Sorry mate, had them in the computer and never realised they were that big until you told me so :D
 
+1 on HD555s. I had a pair and my only complaint is that after using them for awhile the earpiece plastic starting breaking and detaching from the rest of them. I would buy another pair in an instant though.
 
hey if your looking for a good headphone for under $200 get the 558's

you can go to a bestbuy that has magnolia home theater stuff and they sell them for $179 there and you can demo them out there as well.
 
Though if you're not in a hurry you'll probably be able to score then for under $150 a month from now when all the holiday deals start popping up. Weren't they as low as $130 last year? HD598 saw even bigger discounts.
 
558s will sound like shit at BB. The amount of change I have achieved with mine using better amping and some mild modding has been remarkable. They sound completely different than stock.
 
558s will sound like shit at BB. The amount of change I have achieved with mine using better amping and some mild modding has been remarkable. They sound completely different than stock.

Don't most things at BB sound like shit? Including the vast line of Beats by Dre crap?
 
Well the beats will always sound bad but the 558 needs to be modded and amped right to shine.
 
Well, I don't know how much the K550 go for in the USA, in Spain you get them for a less than the HD598 and boy they sound nice (very different, mind you, but spectacular).

Sure, they are closed but their sound signature resembles the one of open cans.
 
Well, I don't know how much the K550 go for in the USA, in Spain you get them for a less than the HD598 and boy they sound nice (very different, mind you, but spectacular).

Sure, they are closed but their sound signature resembles the one of open cans.

Yes I absolutely love mine!!. The k550 is a very nice headphone.
 
Every time I try to research and read I just end up more confused than when I started. :(

But I think I've got an idea so correct me if I'm wrong.

Get a sound card with a headphone amp. I see the ASUS DGQ pop up a lot. Better recommendations?

Get a seperate mic to clip on to the headset cord. No idea which one yet. Maybe a Zalman?

As far as headsets, I'm onboard with openback designs. I keep seeing Senn HD555 which have a warmer sound (which I like). Any benefit to going with the model up HD558s? There's only a small difference in price.

If you've got a budget of $500, what would you buy?
 
A used AD2000 + a dedicated amp if for gaming and music listening specifically. AT are known for their unique and lushy/lively treble which for some is seductive to listen to.

For a warmer signature with an open design, I can only recommend the HD600 (or a used HD580 which is the same as the HD600 except the grill housing which you can swap out). If you have money to allow you to purchase a more powerful amplifier that sonically matches, the HD650 I recommend but not really much for gaming.

Once your venturing into the $400-500 territory, your starting to enter the realm of audiophilia products.
 
beats by dre yo!

No really, if you are up to a bit of VERY minor modding, the Sennheiser 558 can be had used on amazon for around $100 and sound damn near the same as the 598. I would love to have a 598 on hand to do some a/b with mine. That is the best deal for the money.

Now, for higher end gear the AD2000 is certainly a nice headphone. I also really dig the Hifiman HE-400 in that price range. It will run just fine out of your sound card. So that you can feel free to upgrade the rest of the system at your leisure.

http://www.head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=115
 
prava, how do you like the hd25-1 ii? i want to buy a pair myself for portable use, (those black and blue adidas models look so sexy) but not too sure.
 
prava, how do you like the hd25-1 ii? i want to buy a pair myself for portable use, (those black and blue adidas models look so sexy) but not too sure.

I've been eyeing the HD25-1 ii for portable use too, along with the V-moda M-80... At first I wasn't even paying attention to the latter (had the Beyer DT 1350 as my second option but they're like $100 more, ouch), the more I read about them (M-80) the more I'm leaning towards them tho.

I'm not even crazy about the styling but everything else seems very appealing. They'd be a different sound signature from DT 880's if I want a break from them at home, they're a little smaller than the Senn's, and the removable cables + case + lower price atm really sweeten the deal.

I don't even mind that apparently they don't isolate quite as well, I think I actually prefer it, if I wanna be completely oblivious to my surroundings I pop my Ety hf3 in
 
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