Xilikon
[H]ard|DCer of the Year 2008
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too bad these kids aren't paid enough to be professional about their work.. you cant expect it from any industry that does not pay a living wage... most of these guys are living at home, going to school, or barely scraping by... they have survivor and voyeur mentalities imprinted in them along with the dogma of their career's expendability...
If a business does not pay an employee a living wage, that is already a legitimate stamp that the business does NOT expect professionalism from that employee.. no matter how much they like to espouse it in their pamphlets and on their plaques. A living wage constitutes a wage on which you could rent average priced housing, have average priced health insurance, and be able to cover average expenditures like bills and groceries.
The only reason any of the employees acts professional before they get smart and leave is out of fear of their own expendability... and that fear wades as these businesses survive one data theft after another...
If a harry potter book got copied, everyone would go apeshit.
How about the RIAA? They are copying a lot of music, and Best Buy is a target that's worth suing.If a harry potter book got copied, everyone would go apeshit.
too bad these kids aren't paid enough to be professional about their work.. you cant expect it from any industry that does not pay a living wage... most of these guys are living at home, going to school, or barely scraping by... they have survivor and voyeur mentalities imprinted in them along with the dogma of their career's expendability...
If a business does not pay an employee a living wage, that is already a legitimate stamp that the business does NOT expect professionalism from that employee.. no matter how much they like to espouse it in their pamphlets and on their plaques. A living wage constitutes a wage on which you could rent average priced housing, have average priced health insurance, and be able to cover average expenditures like bills and groceries.
The only reason any of the employees acts professional before they get smart and leave is out of fear of their own expendability... and that fear wades as these businesses survive one data theft after another...
If a harry potter book got copied, everyone would go apeshit.
What a load of BS! You act professional in your job, be it flipping burgers for minimum wage, or CEO of a Fortune 100 company, because you have pride in what you do, moral fiber, a conscience, and want to advance in your life and career. Not because you make x number of dollars a year. Anyone who equates a dollar figure with professionalism will always find a way to raise that dollar figure once he gets to it so he can continue doing half-assed work.
Allan
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but Geek Squad is airing new ads on TV. I just caught one during an airing of "The Matrix:Reloaded" on TNT. Now, normally I'd just let it go as being stupid marketing fluff but, what caught me was the new slogan they're using, and it's a doozy. Considering the issues this entire thread is about, what with a Geek Squad employee stealing data, looking at stuff they shouldn't be looking at, personal privacy issues, etc... you folks tell me how funny this new slogan really and truly is:
"Geek Squad - There's Nothing We Haven't Seen."
I just about fell outta my damned chair just now when I heard that tagline. What a fuckin' riot.![]()
Oh really? ... so, say, you wouldn't take the amount you are paid and contrast it to the amount of work you do to reflect on your personal worth to the company you work for? .. and I mean realistic contrasts made with the knowledge of how much the skills you possess are worth to other employers? ... do you think people who are in low-income situations, in school, on a traveling basis or have the skills but not a degree are not taken advantage of by these places just because they're good at their tech hobbies?
Yes really. My personal worth is not dictated by the amount of my paycheck, or what others may think my personal worth is. I dictate what I am worth. My work, regardless of what I am paid for it, is my work, and I am proud to call it my work, so I do it correctly and professionally.
My customers appreciate the work ethic, and constantly reward me for it. One customer threw me a birthday party at their office, I get Christmas cards from most of them every year, invitations to open houses, and when my father passed away I was almost embarrassed by the fact that there were substantially more flowers from my customers who never met my father than from family. They don't do this because I give them discounts, it isn't because I am the only computer guy around, it is because I treat each and every one of them as if they are my only clients, my most important, and treat them and their businesses with respect.
If you show respect for the customer, take pride in your work, and strive to improve, you will advance in your career (any career). Another example, at my company we have fired people with certifications and kept people without them. Certs mean nothing to us or our customers. How you do the job DOES matter. Some places may require certs to get in the door, but no amount of certs or education will make them keep you around if you do lousy work and are unprofessional.
Allan
Would I be correct in assuming that under your wage you can afford average renting, average health insurance, and average bills? (groceries, gas, phone)
Do not assume every tier functions the same. One's personal worth may be dictated by themselves, but a wage is the value a business assigns to you, and what IT expects you will do for IT, and not what suspect you will do for your direct customers. Don't mistake what I mean by self-worth... as I intend it in a strict economic sense.
Say there are 2 IT companies next to eachother, and 2 IT guys who know eachother in these companies, they are both network admins and network security guru's... lets assume they actually get a living wage... the relevance of how much they are paid will not differ if in company A the guy works his ass off for $40k a year, while the guy in company B does the bare minimum for $50k a year. Self worth or no self worth, I may not be able to use these companies as corporate scapegoats for everything influencing an employees wage but you cant rob them of responsibility in the face of strategic values being assigned with respect to profit and NOT productivity.
No you would be incorrect, I have no health insurance at all, let alone average health insurance. If a person is not happy with the wage they make, then they should work harder so they can advance. You can blame the companies all the time, but the fact is that most companies will pay commensurate with your ability to generate them money. So the more professional you are, the harder you work, and the more money you make the company, the more you will get paid.
While I do not have health insurance, I make a good living where I am. I started at the very bottom of the food chain, literally, washing dishes. I have never been to college, do not have any certs, and love my job.
It is easy to blame the big bad company, yet every person we fired we did so because they were inept or didn't care about their work.
Allan
Other customers did not quite like that.
did you save that wallpaper? I want it - J/K