Gamers, win 10 and Steam

I agree that too many jumping to conclusions. I have yet to see proof of what is in these packets. We know what is said to be in said packets. Assuming what is said to be in packets is true then there is no issue. The rational explanations make sense for what is in the packets and don't lend themselves to anything deviant.

But like asked prior if you have any proof then by all means post it. Many on both sides are very interested. But speculation gets no where.
 
lilbabycat said:
The only defense you and everyone else has is "everyone else is doing it". Fuck that and fuck you for bending over to it without any push.
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Do you have a family member that is on social media? Then guess what? All of your information is spread across the internet. My sister applied for credit to buy a home and the loan agency called me. We don't even live in the same state. I decided not to pay a phone bill. Guess who they called looking for me? My half brother's father that I had never met in my life.

I have a niece that worked for a tracking company some years ago. All she needed was a relative and then she had your information. The rest was from tax forms and other public records. That's why you will one day get bill collector calls for your cousin that stayed at your residence 35 years prior. You are linked for life.

It's just the way it is.
 
cageymaru said:
Do you have a family member that is on social media? Then guess what? All of your information is spread across the internet.

It's just the way it is.
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So you think a simple google search of my real life name will link you to every conversation I've had, ever? What apps I've got installed on my PC? That I like to post on XYZ forum? That I made a text document while drunk writing about blowing up my workplace?

The NSA already has some of this information, but the average joe doesn't. Google doesn't (assuming xprivacy and various browser apps are doing their job). Win10 potentially erases all of those potential protections of my privacy, and I would like the choice for there to be no data logging by MS or anyone else of any of my activities.

There is a real danger in mass surveillance / data collection by any entity. If some random guy ONCE said something online (even in joke, or roleplaying, whatever), it can be used to bury them, if said entity so chooses. All it takes is pulling up that old record, "leaking" it to the media, and BOOM, you've now been crucified by public; unable to win a public position (biggest chance for government to abuse) or get a decent job, ever again. Sure, you might be found innocent of allegations, or later provide context, but its too late that point, the public will have made their choice by then.
Take that a step further down the line. Once the public understands/assumes everyone is under this mass surveillance, said entities can literally just make up anything, about anyone; and fabricate the records. Then its one person's word over the other. "The federal government says you have child porn on your computer, look at these records showing it, what do you have to say about that Bob?". You're fucked.

This creates a society where everyone is in fear of saying the wrong thing, ever. It is effectively removing freedom of speech (and I mean the universal concept, not that "the 1st amendment only protects you from the government" horseshit that pro-censorship liberal jackasses spew), by means of fear. If the powers that be decide you've got the wrong opinion or viewpoint, you get removed.

So again, fuck that.

Go ahead and google my username. I googled yours, are you K. G. of NC? I can tell you right now I am none of the readily identifiable people in the few pages of results. That minimal level of security of did prevents the average joe from knowing who I am. But now I (presumably) know exactly who you are, as (semi) confirmed by your profile. If companies are being honest (they probably aren't) then anyone I haven't volunteered my information to has no associations with this account and me in real life.

I might be impossible to keep your privacy in this modern world, but I can certainly make it as difficult as possible. I'd much rather be legally protected as well, but again, people like you are merely saying "go ahead, it doesn't matter".
 
Wierdo said:
So anyway, for adults that are concerned about their rights more than their joysticks, here's a list of some helpful tools currently available:

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/
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They don't work.
These programs all change "hidden" settings in the Windows registry/group policy editor to block the telemetry and other data collection.
Except the operating system itself ignores these settings unless you are running an enterprise version of Windows 10 - and even then, there have been reports that at least some of this data is still being sent to Microsoft even with an enterprise version of the OS.

lilbabycat said:
It might be impossible to keep your privacy in this modern world, but I can certainly make it as difficult as possible. I'd much rather be legally protected as well, but again, people like you are merely saying "go ahead, it doesn't matter".
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Good post - this point specifically.
It's not just that "everyone is doing it anyway" - it's about who has access to this data, and what data they have access to.
The operating system is able to collect an order of magnitude more data on you than using a social media site like Twitter.
 
@lilbabycat

So what you are saying is that you've never applied for college, a loan, bought a car, had a parent that purchased a vehicle, applied for a job that required a background check, driver's license, etc.? Of course nobody cares about lilbabycat. We're talking about your REAL NAME.

You are traceable across the internet if you've done any of those few activities. Or if someone used you as a reference. Or if you have a sibling that did any of the above activities. Hell even if you paid for something with a CC and the company gets hacked.

And yes my name is on my Steam Profile. I like it that way. Zero activities to hide. ;)
 
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@lilbabycat

So what you are saying is that you've never applied for college, a loan, bought a car, had a parent that purchased a vehicle, applied for a job that required a background check, driver's license, etc.? Of course nobody cares about lilbabycat. We're talking about your REAL NAME
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In my "perfect world of privacy" all of those things should have stayed within the entity they are associated with and no further. No extra data caught, No web of connections created. Just because the government has the information from my license doesn't mean they have the other million aspects of my life that make me "me". You've got a lot of connections, are you 100% confident you have "nothing to hide"? What might seem innocuous today might not be tomorrow.

You seem to be ignoring the basic proponents of privacy, and completely ignoring the potential for abuse. Remember, even if all these companies are just wonderful splendid people with no harm intended and mean to exactly as they claim, a hacker or disgruntled employee might not. Less information = more security for all parties. With laws passing that protect companies if they have your information exposed, all the downsides are left on you. The upsides (selling your information) remain.
 
lilbabycat said:
In my "perfect world of privacy" all of those things should have stayed within the entity they are associated with and no further.
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This never existed though, even before digitized storage of this information. Banks and insurance companies in particular have always shared this type of data. Next time you are accepted for a home or auto loan with favorable rates, you can thank the fact that these organizations share a lot of data. Next time you get sick or injured and need medical care, you can thank the fact that the hospital already has access to your past records, even in some foreign countries.

If that's the kind of privacy you really expect, you need to get the hell off the internet ASAP and go live in a shack in the woods.
 
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happens every new release. Everybody hated XP when it came out and a lot of people went back to Win 2000.
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Windows XP was unstable and had very crap security until SP1 and wasn't Optimal until SP3 if I recall correctly. In fact SP2 had some issues I believe.

Again I did not install XP until it was common on corporate desktops and past the application test gamut. I tried Vista but had 3 separate crashes due to bugs and compatibility issues. Windows 764U is working fine for me and this thread up to this point has anti'd up no good reason for me to upgrade. I care more about stability, security and functionality than having new toys. Maybe its just the Engineer in me.

I have a test unit on 8.1 basic here at work, but my god what an awful awful unintuitive gui. I had to fool around with it to get Windows Classic back. Microsoft have become serious turds. They purposefully obfuscated the classic menu. If it wasn't a work license I'd go back to windows 7 and duel load Ubuntu(this unit occasionally gets used by goobers, ubuntu is just the simpliest thing for them.)
 
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In my "perfect world of privacy" all of those things should have stayed within the entity they are associated with and no further. No extra data caught, No web of connections created. Just because the government has the information from my license doesn't mean they have the other million aspects of my life that make me "me". You've got a lot of connections, are you 100% confident you have "nothing to hide"? What might seem innocuous today might not be tomorrow.

You seem to be ignoring the basic proponents of privacy, and completely ignoring the potential for abuse. Remember, even if all these companies are just wonderful splendid people with no harm intended and mean to exactly as they claim, a hacker or disgruntled employee might not. Less information = more security for all parties. With laws passing that protect companies if they have your information exposed, all the downsides are left on you. The upsides (selling your information) remain.
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You seem to be ignoring the obvious: it was all too late long before you were even born. This isnt some new thing the interent invented. Nobody lives out of sight, unless you were born in a hut in a remote siberian valley and died there without ever leaving that valley. Even then, word of you spread out, and your privacy is gone.
 
piscian18 said:
Windows XP was unstable and had very crap security until SP1 and wasn't Optimal until SP3 if I recall correctly. In fact SP2 had some issues I believe.

Again I did not install XP until it was common on corporate desktops and past the application test gamut. I tried Vista but had 3 separate crashes due to bugs and compatibility issues. Windows 764U is working fine for me and this thread up to this point has anti'd up no good reason for me to upgrade. I care more about stability, security and functionality than having new toys. Maybe its just the Engineer in me.

I have a test unit on 8.1 basic here at work, but my god what an awful awful unintuitive gui. I had to fool around with it to get Windows Classic back. Microsoft have become serious turds. They purposefully obfuscated the classic menu. If it wasn't a work license I'd go back to windows 7 and duel load Ubuntu(this unit occasionally gets used by goobers, ubuntu is just the simpliest thing for them.)
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There was also paranoia about XP (might have been SP1 or SP2) having something that looked at your media and reported if it was not legal (or something like that). But yes, XP was buggy as hell before SP1.
 
nilepez said:
There was also paranoia about XP (might have been SP1 or SP2) having something that looked at your media and reported if it was not legal (or something like that). But yes, XP was buggy as hell before SP1.
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That was Windows Media Player. That was not paranoia, it was an actual function being implemented. MS realized that people would just stop using Media Player and decided not to do it.
 
I picked up Windows 10 pro because my volume licensed dvd copy of Windows 7 enterprise didn't have a usable cd key. Also dx12. So far Windows 10 feels great, but it's only been a couple of days.
 
Domingo said:
DX12 is eventually going to be a factor and I figured I might as well hop on the train earlier than later. Especially one gaming performance was discovered to be (roughly) identical to Windows 8 and Nvidia threw their support behind it.
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Yeah you don't want to miss out cause dx9 wasn't used for like a decade+ or anything while we watched dx10 and 11 never really amount to anything. I wouldn't rush out for a marketing ploy considering dx12 games aren't exactly filling up the shelves. :p
 
schizrade said:
You seem to be ignoring the obvious: it was all too late long before you were even born. This isnt some new thing the interent invented. Nobody lives out of sight, unless you were born in a hut in a remote siberian valley and died there without ever leaving that valley. Even then, word of you spread out, and your privacy is gone.
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Data collection has always been a reality, that is true.

It's only relatively recently - however - that mass automation and internet/cloud have made it so easy to do.

Back in the day, if police were interested in someone, they could collect data on them (with a warrant) but it would be a lot of real work, so they only did it if they really had a reason to. Big brother truly was really only a concern if you had something to hide, because otherwise no one would bother you.

Now the argument goes, that this data is so readily available that governments and businesses just want to collect it all, for everyone all the time, whether you are suspected of anything or not, and whether they have a warrant or not.

And that is problematic, for many reasons, even for people with "nothing to hide". Whenever there is data on people, there is a risk of it being abused, and sure enough, there are many cases of NSA employees looking up dirt on exes, spying on girlfriends, neighbors, etc. It was even so frequent that they had a nickname for it. "Love Int"

Then you have cases like that of Joe Lipari who got pissed off when he was in the Apple store, and went home and vented on facebook, quoting a a line from the Fight Club movie, and woke up the next morning with a full on SWAT team with fingers on the trigger at his door, and later forced to go through years of court appearances and legal expenses over nothing.

Also, whenever there is personal data collected, it is a target. No system is un-hackable, and if those who would steal your identity or your money can get at it, they will try.

The problem is with modern mass dragnet style data collection. If it were still hard work to collect the data like it was before the Internet, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Police would be getting warrants, doing stake-outs, and spending time on people suspected of real crimes. Every now and then they may get a warrant on an innocent person, that happens, but mostly it wouldn't affect everyone, like it does today.

Data collection and data mining are one of the biggest problems of our generation, IMHO.
 
SpongeBob said:
Yeah you don't want to miss out cause dx9 wasn't used for like a decade+ or anything while we watched dx10 and 11 never really amount to anything. I wouldn't rush out for a marketing ploy considering dx12 games aren't exactly filling up the shelves. :p
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This. Hell, it may be 2-3 years before games come with dx12. The bottom line though for game mfg's is going to be - what is the major OS platform running? If it's 7, and they don't have a version that can be used on 7, guess what - they lose money.
The last time I looked, 10 accounted for just a little over 8% of the market. Hell, people are still using XP more than 10 LOL.
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
 
Executioner said:
This. Hell, it may be 2-3 years before games come with dx12. The bottom line though for game mfg's is going to be - what is the major OS platform running? If it's 7, and they don't have a version that can be used on 7, guess what - they lose money.
The last time I looked, 10 accounted for just a little over 8% of the market. Hell, people are still using XP more than 10 LOL.
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
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Wow, just over 8% of the market it just over three months, LOL! :D Yep, guess it all in how your perspective is. Good luck with the 2 to 3 years before games use DX 12 since they are already starting to be developed with it.

Oh, and a large portion of the Windows 7 market share is on the corporate desktop where games are non existent. Oh, and games in general run smoother and faster on the latest version of Windows 10 build 10586. Frames per second does not really tell the story at all. If you want to limit yourself, be my guest, you will be the only one to suffer for it. :p:D

SpongeBob said:
Yeah you don't want to miss out cause dx9 wasn't used for like a decade+ or anything while we watched dx10 and 11 never really amount to anything. I wouldn't rush out for a marketing ploy considering dx12 games aren't exactly filling up the shelves. :p
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Oh, and Direct X9 was more of a fluke than a long term standard. Besides, there were at least 4 revisions of it that did not support the older versions with the newer tech.
 
ManofGod said:
Oh, and games in general run smoother and faster on the latest version of Windows 10 build 10586. Frames per second does not really tell the story at all.
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Citation needed. You got frametime graphs to back up that bullshit?
 
I have had Win 10 since release and every game that ran on 8.1 runs on Win 10. I'm happy with it.
 
nilepez said:
That's an option for the elderly and terminally ill, but the rest of us haves to move on in the next 4 years
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The future for gaming might very well be Steam OS. At least people like me and others that have noted privacy concerns would rather not use an OS with the express purpose in making us a commodity.

Playing a game isn't worth my life. In any sense of the word. All my work is currently done is OSX. I only boot up Windows to play games, and even that is becoming a very rare occurrence.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
Playing a game isn't worth my life.
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So is using an iPhone or Android phone worth one's life? When it comes the privacy of Windows 10, I've told people that it works like their smartphone. None of the six people I've upgraded to 10 batted an eye over it in those terms which I believe to be accurate.

With the all of the privacy settings off which means no data sharing and just the basic telemetry on, the average smartphone shares WAY more data than a Windows 10 device configured as such.
 
Derangel said:
HA! That's a good joke.
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You quoted a very tiny segment of what I said. The alternative could just as easily be nothing at all. Steam is at least 'an' alternative. And obviously it is well integrated into a platform that many have already bought into.

To expand, DirectX is a terrible API. One in which I wish more, if not all developers would abandon in favor for open source platforms such as OpenGL. I think the move would actually be profitable as it would allow porting between console systems significantly easier... as OpenGL can me used across Windows, OSX, and Linux, as well as of course consoles.


heatlesssun said:
So is using an iPhone or Android phone worth one's life? When it comes the privacy of Windows 10, I've told people that it works like their smartphone. None of the six people I've upgraded to 10 batted an eye over it in those terms which I believe to be accurate.

With the all of the privacy settings off which means no data sharing and just the basic telemetry on, the average smartphone shares WAY more data than a Windows 10 device configured as such.
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*sigh* Your post history about Windows 10 is numerous and well known even if you and I haven't exchanged words. So, it is more than likely that I am wasting my "breath"; but I will state: if you want to trust Microsoft with your life, you go right ahead. I don't trust them or any corporation at all. The worst part of your own statement is that it's predicated on a belief. A belief which requires trust in a corporation that has shown on numerous occasions that it is monopolistic and cares nothing about its user base. Only for cold profit. If you truly believe that Windows 10 is "free", you're a fool. They're getting something from you worth billions.

To answer your question which does have merit I do and have considered ridding myself of all smart devices. The unfortunate problem is that for my work I have to use some sort of smart device. I have as much of the telemetry I can turn off off. I give access to each individual app on a per app basis and limit any sharing behavior as much as possible.

There are quite a few apps that if you just give them free access to location services, they will use them constantly. And in my opinion, for no justifiable reason.

Screw 'em. At the VERY BEST they're a bunch of money grubbing corporate thieves. At worst they're traitors to their fellow man for a few dollars of gain if not the very makers of an oligarchy that they would crown themselves in.
 
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You quoted a very tiny segment of what I said. The alternative could just as easily be nothing at all. Steam is at least 'an' alternative. And obviously it is well integrated into a platform that many have already bought into.
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I quoted only that part because that is the only part I had anything to comment on. Maybe I'll be wrong but I'm not exactly expecting amazing things out of SteamOS.
 
Derangel said:
I quoted only that part because that is the only part I had anything to comment on. Maybe I'll be wrong but I'm not exactly expecting amazing things out of SteamOS.
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If it plays games with any sort of aptitude and has the capacity to be used as a media playback device that's a huge step away from Microsoft.... and that's including even if it continues to have only a limited game base.

If developers would follow Valve and id Software's example of using OpenGL (or Vulkan) then there is no doubt that there will be plenty of supported games on the platform.

As it stands, I don't do a lot of mainstream gaming anymore. Mostly Blizzard, Valve titles, RPGs, and rogue likes (just to put out a random game I'm looking forward to: the new Deus Ex game, which should come to OSX as to avoid Windows). I don't buy a bunch of AAA FPS games anymore. So in certain respects, I'm probably not the best person to talk to on the [H], in-so-far-as super high end, high resolution, crossfire multi-display setups.

I'll be satisfied more than likely with a limited game playing OS. I don't want or need to play everything anymore. I just want the truly excellent gaming experiences, for my very limited gaming time. Just let me buy and play games... without spying on me.


Ocellaris said:
OpenGL isn't an "open source platform", it is a specification.
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Okay. I'll admit to not being the best with software on top of hardware technologies. Wikipedia describes OpenGL as a: "cross-language, multi-platform application programming interface (API)". They also state it's an "open standard." So, what have I missed?
 
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You quoted a very tiny segment of what I said. The alternative could just as easily be nothing at all. Steam is at least 'an' alternative. And obviously it is well integrated into a platform that many have already bought into.

To expand, DirectX is a terrible API. One in which I wish more, if not all developers would abandon in favor for open source platforms such as OpenGL. I think the move would actually be profitable as it would allow porting between console systems significantly easier... as OpenGL can me used across Windows, OSX, and Linux, as well as of course consoles.
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This is all about market share. Until there's more desktop class devices out there running something other than Windows, a lot more, then there's little point in cross platform development, unless that cross platform development is about targeting different versions of Windows.

UnknownSouljer said:
*sigh* Your post history about Windows 10 is numerous and well known even if you and I haven't exchanged words. So, it is more than likely that I am wasting my "breath"; but I will state: if you want to trust Microsoft with your life, you go right ahead. I don't trust them or any corporation at all. The worst part of your own statement is that it's predicated on a belief. A belief which requires trust in a corporation that has shown on numerous occasions that it is monopolistic and cares nothing about its user base. Only for cold profit. If you truly believe that Windows 10 is "free", you're a fool. They're getting something from you worth billions.

To answer your question which does have merit I do and have considered ridding myself of all smart devices. The unfortunate problem is that for my work I have to use some sort of smart device. I have as much of the telemetry I can turn off off. I give access to each individual app on a per app basis and limit any sharing behavior as much as possible.

There are quite a few apps that if you just give them free access to location services, they will use them constantly. And in my opinion, for no justifiable reason.

Screw 'em. At the VERY BEST they're a bunch of money grubbing corporate thieves. At worst they're traitors to their fellow man for a few dollars of gain if not the very makers of an oligarchy that they would crown themselves in.
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Here's the truth. Unless one literally lives under a rock they are sharing a great deal of personal information with LOTS of 3rd parties. Banks, credit agencies, governments, employers, doctors and hospitals, other private parties like Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. I don't trust Microsoft any more or less than anyone else. And Windows 10 in its minimal data sharing configuration shares a great deal less personal information than the parties I've listed. Indeed it shares none according Microsoft beyond computer configurations and crashes according to Microsoft.

So I am just trying to look at this rationally and logically. I'm not arguing against being able to turn off the basic telemetry, that's the only data collection in Windows 10 that doesn't have an off switch so why not. But again, I'm trying to keep it real. That one option to turn off basic telemetry, awesome. But there's a lot more parties out there that I'm forced to trust with tons of personal information. Unless I want to stop going to the doctor or no bank accounts. And even then they still have historical data that hangs around.

This issue is way over hyped and so misrepresented that it's just become fruitless for much thoughtful discussion. Current technology is fueled by leveraging personal data. I've lost count of the number of ads I've seen recently promoting Siri and Google Now. I don't see people flipping out over these features, most seem to love them when they work well.
 
heatlesssun said:
This is all about market share. Until there's more desktop class devices out there running something other than Windows, a lot more, then there's little point in cross platform development, unless that cross platform development is about targeting different versions of Windows.
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OpenGL works on Windows. This isn't about eliminating DirectX for fun and games (*rim shot*). Basically what I'm saying is similar to: people should not use Flash anymore, they should move to HTML 5. Using OpenGL isn't a limitation. It would open up new profit centers. Ones that companies should consider... and it's just better.

The only platform(s) running DirectX is Windows and XB1. Everything runs OpenGL... except the XB1. I'm making statements that should straight up be common sense. Program in the language that can be used cross-platform on the most platforms. Only an idiot think that they can't make money from people on OSX/Linux, or on mobile platforms, or whatever. The cost of doing so in comparison with big gaming budgets would almost be an afterthought and even if it only gave them access to another 5% of the market, that is still millions of dollars.

iOS as an example is tiny in terms of market share (15% last time I checked), but highly valuable in terms of a revenue source. If you're going to program on mobile, you'd be an idiot to not at least consider making your app cross-platform as opposed to being only an android developer.



heatlesssun said:
Here's the truth. Unless one literally lives under a rock they are sharing a great deal of personal information with LOTS of 3rd parties. Banks, credit agencies, governments, employers, doctors and hospitals, other private parties like Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. I don't trust Microsoft any more or less than anyone else. And Windows 10 in its minimal data sharing configuration shares a great deal less personal information than the parties I've listed. Indeed it shares none according Microsoft beyond computer configurations and crashes according to Microsoft.

So I am just trying to look at this rationally and logically. I'm not arguing against being able to turn off the basic telemetry, that's the only data collection in Windows 10 that doesn't have an off switch so why not. But again, I'm trying to keep it real. That one option to turn off basic telemetry, awesome. But there's a lot more parties out there that I'm forced to trust with tons of personal information. Unless I want to stop going to the doctor or no bank accounts. And even then they still have historical data that hangs around.

This issue is way over hyped and so misrepresented that it's just become fruitless for much thoughtful discussion. Current technology is fueled by leveraging personal data. I've lost count of the number of ads I've seen recently promoting Siri and Google Now. I don't see people flipping out over these features, most seem to love them when they work well.
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I will state right up at the front: "that is your truth." You're okay with the system. My argument is very simple: I should have 100% granular control on what happens to everything that involves me. I don't, so I have to make compromised choices on what is acceptable or what I can live with or use none of it at all.

It's insane to me and infuriating that corporations have better ways to mask themselves (despite being considered to be "individual persons") than real flesh and blood. More than that it bothers me that because others accept that this is "the way things are" that everyone should simply go along with it. Opting out should always be an option. So the only way to go about things now is to research all of those banks, health-care plans, and the rest (should you need them) and hope that whoever holds the reigns next continues to use 'best' practices.
 
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OpenOnly an idiot think that they can't make money from people on OSX/Linux, or on mobile platforms, or whatever. The cost of doing so in comparison with big gaming budgets would almost be an afterthought and even if it only gave them access to another 5% of the market, that is still millions of dollars.
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Console/PC gaming isn't the same thing as mobile. Who is going to pay $50 or $60 dollars for a mobile game? Now if the game worked on consoles and/or PCs sure. But mobile hardware simply isn't there yet for AAA console/PC games. Plus virtually all mobile games use touch based controls. Very few would hook up a controller or KBM to a phone or tablet (non-Windows at any rate) to play games. How ever you look at it right now, mobile gaming is a different thing compared to console/PC gaming. But sure down the road there could be more convergence.

As for OS X/Linux, it's still about market share period. Developers simply don't like targeting small market share platforms, just look at the app situation with Windows phones. Windows phone has a much market share in phones as Linux does on the desktop and it's simply not enough to get many developers on board. I'm simply pointing out the obvious.

UnknownSouljer said:
iOS as an example is tiny in terms of market share (15% last time I checked), but highly valuable in terms of a revenue source. If you're going to program on mobile, you'd be an idiot to not at least consider making your app cross-platform as opposed to being only an android developer.
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15% isn't tiny. All OS X and Linux constitute currently 5% with OS X at 4% and Linux at 1%.

UnknownSouljer said:
I will state right up at the front: "that is your truth." You're okay with the system. My argument is very simple: I should have 100% granular control on what happens to everything that involves me. I don't, so I have to make compromised choices on what is acceptable or what I can live with or use none of it at all.
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I'm not arguing against this. I am simply pointing out that the only data collection that cannot be turned off in Windows 10 is the basic telemetry which is hardware and software configurations and basic crash data. I work at a bank and we have a scale on which we rate the value of data. This kind of data simply doesn't rate as "worth your life" kind of data. Again, this isn't an argument for not having a off switch for it but this kind of data is practically worthless in terms of how it could be used to harm someone with it.

If one isn't thinking about privacy in terms of data value then they really aren't talking about privacy.

UnknownSouljer said:
It's insane to me and infuriating that corporations have better ways to mask themselves (despite being considered to be "individual persons") than real flesh and blood. More than that it bothers me that because others accept that this is "the way things are" that everyone should simply go along with it. Opting out should always be an option. So the only way to go about things now is to research all of those banks, health-care plans, and the rest (should you need them) and hope that whoever holds the reigns next continues to use 'best' practices.
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There are a lot of features tied to personal data leverage this simply isn't about data collection for the sake of data collection. A lot of people complaining about this issue mention how they'll never use these features but clearly countless folks do and the stuff is popular. Again, I'm not arguing against being able to opt out of these things. But I think people that are so vocal about this stuff don't even understand why so much of this stuff is popular. How could they if they are always trying to shut everything off?
 
UnknownSouljer said:
The future for gaming might very well be Steam OS. At least people like me and others that have noted privacy concerns would rather not use an OS with the express purpose in making us a commodity.

Playing a game isn't worth my life. In any sense of the word. All my work is currently done is OSX. I only boot up Windows to play games, and even that is becoming a very rare occurrence.
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I've seen that here repeatedly. I'll believe it when I see it. At this point, support isn't that good and I'm unconvinced. For now, I rate the chance of success slightly higher than Linux taking over the gaming market, but we'll see what it looks like in 2 years.
 
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