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Weird that the second fastest single gpu card avail atm inst even talked about here. Where are all the Fury X threads if the card is that awesome. I am looking to upgrade and I'm hesitating between a 980ti and a Fury X. Lots of 980ti threads but not much in regard to the FuryX here at H even on the AMD side....what gives ?
 

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I have neither of those two cards, but I think it's fair to deduct that the 980ti is better value, 980ti equals or beats the Fury X in most real life senarios and overclocks far better.
 

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Weird that the second fastest single gpu card avail atm inst even talked about here. Where are all the Fury X threads if the card is that awesome. I am looking to upgrade and I'm hesitating between a 980ti and a Fury X. Lots of 980ti threads but not much in regard to the FuryX here at H even on the AMD side....what gives ?

second fastest doesn't mean 'just as good'. the fury x is roughly ~30% slower than a 980ti. no point buying it until the price is viable for what it offers.
 

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Uhm... The FuryX is the third fastest card, remember the Titans.

Edit: also remember that VALUE is the key. The same reason MOST people (including the OP) forget about products is because of VALUE. The FuryX is a whole lot less VALUE than the 980Ti. It has little-to-no OC headroom, it costs the same as a vastly superior card, and it uses a lot more energy than the competition to do this. The 390 and 390X are talked about quite a bit because despite being slow(er) cards compared to the top-tier, they represent pretty damn good value. Why talk about the Fury X when by every measurable metric it is outclassed, when you COULD talk about the other awesome cards in AMD's lineup that are great options in their price range?
 
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^great example of a proper response, although it doesn't use "a lot more energy" than the competition. You might be thinking of perf/watt instead of raw power consumption numbers here.

second fastest doesn't mean 'just as good'. the fury x is roughly ~30% slower than a 980ti. no point buying it until the price is viable for what it offers.

30% if you compare stock Fury X to a maxed out 980 Ti. Seriously if you're going to throw concrete numbers you could at least try (or pretend) to be objective.
 
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^great example of a proper response



30% if you compare stock Fury X to a maxed out 980 Ti. Seriously if you're going to throw concrete numbers you could at least try (or pretend) to be objective.

I am being objective. The fury x can't be OCed significantly and the 980ti can OC a lot without any change in voltage. It completely smokes the fury x no matter which way you cut it.
 

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Well objective would be stock vs stock, not stock vs max OC. I'm well aware of how each card performs, but when you throw numbers it's important to qualify them.
 

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I am being objective. The fury x can't be OCed significantly and the 980ti can OC a lot without any change in voltage. It completely smokes the fury x no matter which way you cut it.

I tend to agree here. The OC headroom of 980 ti really spreads its lead over Fury X -- and that's what most people care about here at [H]. I don't think it's 30% better, but nonetheless. What a card performance is at stock is nearly irrelevant for me when comparing performance if the OC is stable.

In essence, when I've paid $100+ in the past on 10% performance improvement, why on earth would I pay the same price for a card that performs 20% slower? That said, I do think the Fury X is an interesting card/technology in the same way the 1800xt was, and it merits discussion.
 

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Well objective would be stock vs stock, not stock vs max OC. I'm well aware of how each card performs, but when you throw numbers it's important to qualify them.
Objective would be to consider all the options.

You can get different classes of 980ti with higher clocks for close to the same price as the Fury X.
You have no choice but to compare these to the stock Fury X, there are no overclocked Fury X cards because they are already close to the limit, even with a water cooler.
This doesnt invalidate the comparison, it demonstrates the lack of value the Fury X represents.
 

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Weird that the second fastest single gpu card avail atm inst even talked about here. Where are all the Fury X threads if the card is that awesome. I am looking to upgrade and I'm hesitating between a 980ti and a Fury X. Lots of 980ti threads but not much in regard to the FuryX here at H even on the AMD side....what gives ?

Almost everybody is at ocn now.
As you can see this is basically a nvidia forum.
I stopped posting stuff because every time you post something good about amd, is like a war where you can't defend your view point or whatever is good about amd. Defend yourself and is going to be a free vacation for you.
 

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Almost everybody is at ocn now.
As you can see this is basically a nvidia forum.
I stopped posting stuff because every time you post something good about amd, is like a war where you can't defend your view point or whatever is good about amd. Defend yourself and is going to be a free vacation for you.
Nvidia has dominated the flagship tier for the better part of a decade, and this forum is full of rich people scooping them up.
You can't "defend your viewpoint" here because the Fury X is borderline indefensible. When AMD starts making competitive flagship GPUs then I suppose you'll see a change in the wind here.
 

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Uhm... The FuryX is the third fastest card, remember the Titans.

Edit: also remember that VALUE is the key. The same reason MOST people (including the OP) forget about products is because of VALUE. The FuryX is a whole lot less VALUE than the 980Ti.
You say most people are concerned about VALUE, yet use $1,000 Titans as proof why the Fury X isn't selling well?
 

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Nvidia has dominated the flagship tier for the better part of a decade, and this forum is full of rich people scooping them up.
You can't "defend your viewpoint" here because the Fury X is borderline indefensible. When AMD starts making competitive flagship GPUs then I suppose you'll see a change in the wind here.

where is the rich people? i think i was the only one in this forum who owned a titan z last year... oh wait! who owns a GTR or Porsche here besides me? please...

not enought good threads in the green side? LOL
 

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Nvidia has dominated the flagship tier for the better part of a decade, and this forum is full of rich people scooping them up.
You can't "defend your viewpoint" here because the Fury X is borderline indefensible. When AMD starts making competitive flagship GPUs then I suppose you'll see a change in the wind here.
Dominated? Really? :rolleyes:

AnandTech 5870 Review - September 23, 2009 - "Let’s be clear here: the 5870 is the single fastest single-GPU card we have tested, by a wide margin."

AnandTech 7970 Review - December 22, 2011 - "So at the end of the day AMD has once again retaken the performance crown for single-GPU cards, bringing them back to a position they last held nearly 2 years ago with the 5870.

AnandTech 290X Reivew - October 24, 2013 - "AMD is essentially tied with GTX Titan, delivering an average of 99% of the performance of NVIDIA’s prosumer-level flagship. Against NVIDIA’s cheaper and more gaming oriented GTX 780 that becomes an outright lead, with the 290X leading by an average of 9% and never falling behind the GTX 780."
 

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Dominated? Really? :rolleyes:

AnandTech 5870 Review - September 23, 2009 - "Let’s be clear here: the 5870 is the single fastest single-GPU card we have tested, by a wide margin."

AnandTech 7970 Review - December 22, 2011 - "So at the end of the day AMD has once again retaken the performance crown for single-GPU cards, bringing them back to a position they last held nearly 2 years ago with the 5870.

AnandTech 290X Reivew - October 24, 2013 - "AMD is essentially tied with GTX Titan, delivering an average of 99% of the performance of NVIDIA’s prosumer-level flagship. Against NVIDIA’s cheaper and more gaming oriented GTX 780 that becomes an outright lead, with the 290X leading by an average of 9% and never falling behind the GTX 780."

Nailed
 

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Dominated? Really? :rolleyes:

AnandTech 5870 Review - September 23, 2009 - "Let’s be clear here: the 5870 is the single fastest single-GPU card we have tested, by a wide margin."

AnandTech 7970 Review - December 22, 2011 - "So at the end of the day AMD has once again retaken the performance crown for single-GPU cards, bringing them back to a position they last held nearly 2 years ago with the 5870.

AnandTech 290X Reivew - October 24, 2013 - "AMD is essentially tied with GTX Titan, delivering an average of 99% of the performance of NVIDIA’s prosumer-level flagship. Against NVIDIA’s cheaper and more gaming oriented GTX 780 that becomes an outright lead, with the 290X leading by an average of 9% and never falling behind the GTX 780."



Neither of those cards lasted on top for very long, Fermi was delayed by 6 months, although it was power hunger, it was faster than 5x00 and then the titan black came out in response to the 7970 which was slightly faster than the regular titan.

Intermittently AMD was able to to take the performance crown but over all since the r600 screw up they haven't been in competition for the performance crown, they haven't even been in the same range.
 

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Weird that the second fastest single gpu card avail atm inst even talked about here. Where are all the Fury X threads if the card is that awesome. I am looking to upgrade and I'm hesitating between a 980ti and a Fury X. Lots of 980ti threads but not much in regard to the FuryX here at H even on the AMD side....what gives ?

These forums can be interesting for other topics, but are probably not really a good place for discussing Radeon cards IMO.

AnandTech 5870 Review - September 23, 2009 - "Let’s be clear here: the 5870 is the single fastest single-GPU card we have tested, by a wide margin."

AnandTech 7970 Review - December 22, 2011 - "So at the end of the day AMD has once again retaken the performance crown for single-GPU cards, bringing them back to a position they last held nearly 2 years ago with the 5870.

AnandTech 290X Reivew - October 24, 2013 - "AMD is essentially tied with GTX Titan, delivering an average of 99% of the performance of NVIDIA’s prosumer-level flagship. Against NVIDIA’s cheaper and more gaming oriented GTX 780 that becomes an outright lead, with the 290X leading by an average of 9% and never falling behind the GTX 780."

Yup got it.
 
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It's nice if you have room for a nice and quiet water cooled exhaust port.

Fury X is hamstrung by lack of HDMI 2.0, lower performance, 4 GB memory and a low overclock factor.
These are the reasons I don't even look at AMD anymore. They are falling out of the race. (This from a 7970 owner)
 

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Dominated? Really? :rolleyes:

AnandTech 5870 Review - September 23, 2009 - "Let’s be clear here: the 5870 is the single fastest single-GPU card we have tested, by a wide margin."

AnandTech 7970 Review - December 22, 2011 - "So at the end of the day AMD has once again retaken the performance crown for single-GPU cards, bringing them back to a position they last held nearly 2 years ago with the 5870.

AnandTech 290X Reivew - October 24, 2013 - "AMD is essentially tied with GTX Titan, delivering an average of 99% of the performance of NVIDIA’s prosumer-level flagship. Against NVIDIA’s cheaper and more gaming oriented GTX 780 that becomes an outright lead, with the 290X leading by an average of 9% and never falling behind the GTX 780."
5870 -> 480, 6 months.
7970 -> 680, 3 months.
290X -> 780 Ti, 1 month.

So in the last 6 years, AMD has had the flagship crown for a total of 10 months, or 14% of the total time. The most recent stretch ended 2 years ago.
Nvidia also had more individual flagship crowns in the same amount of time: GTX 280, 285, 480, 580, 680, 780, 780 Ti, 980, 980 Ti.

Don't get me wrong, AMD has a lot of great GPUs. I kept my 5870 for about 4 years and loved it. But they aren't the best flagships.
 

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Maybe I can share my experience. I've just replaced a R9 Fury X with a 980Ti (MSI Gaming 6G) due to an annoying pump whine (it was dead silent for the first 2 weeks).

At 2560 X 1440 the 980ti allows me to use higher in-game settings and get smoother game-play (I mostly play Fallout 4). While the Gaming 6G is an overclocked version of the 980Ti, it's available for less than the R9 Fury X (at least in Canada).

So unless you have a very specific configuration in mind (like the one Tgrove listed in his post bellow), I'm not sure why you would go for the Fury X (except to try one, which was the reason I got mine in the first place). I'm still looking forward to the R9 Fury X2. And the Radeon Technologies Group update for 2016 looks promising enough!
 
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Almost everybody is at ocn now.
As you can see this is basically a nvidia forum.
I stopped posting stuff because every time you post something good about amd, is like a war where you can't defend your view point or whatever is good about amd. Defend yourself and is going to be a free vacation for you.

Hit the nail on the head, took the words out of my mouth. Yet another thread where people want us to validate our purchases. What do they think we are some kind of peons or peasants that had no option other than amd? Almost no point in posting amd related material anymore. Yea this is definitely an nVidia forum, so if you want a good AMD discussion go to OCN.

Believe me I would have two 980 ti in sli and a g sync screen if they actually had a 4k gsync screen bigger than 4p inches. Right now AMD offers a better experience for me. Ips 4k crossfire freesync on a 49" monitor. Especially since I got both cards for $550.

Also I would not praise an unworthy card setup, I would sell it. Fury x is an amazing card and highly underrated, it's just amd has too many haters to get much credit
 
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But when would someone buy a fury X ? If it is considerably slow compared to a 980ti aftermarket, why do you expect other people to cater to your emotional attachment of a brand, you guys are like what, 12?
If you get a good deal and get it for cheap, it is good, but for same $ it sucks to buy something that is slower.
And if you want to talk about AMD hate, they deserve all the hate they get. Specially on CPUs, anyone who wants to discuss or defend AMD FX line shouldn't be allowed to access a computer and should stick to console/iPad Pro for their gaming and computing needs.

380/380x390/390x gets a lot of praise everywhere because they are winners in many points, Fury X ain't.
 

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But when would someone buy a fury X ? If it is considerably slow compared to a 980ti aftermarket, why do you expect other people to cater to your emotional attachment of a brand, you guys are like what, 12?
If you get a good deal and get it for cheap, it is good, but for same $ it sucks to buy something that is slower.
And if you want to talk about AMD hate, they deserve all the hate they get. Specially on CPUs, anyone who wants to discuss or defend AMD FX line shouldn't be allowed to access a computer and should stick to console/iPad Pro for their gaming and computing needs.

380/380x390/390x gets a lot of praise everywhere because they are winners in many points, Fury X ain't.

This post is a perfect example of what we're talking about.

I just gave you a scenario someone might go AMD. Let me say it again.

Want to use an ips 4k monitor with adaptive sync that's larger than 40 inches (32 even)? Amd is your only option.

How am I emotionally attached if I just said I would have 980 ti sli if it werent for his scenario?
 

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Hit the nail on the head, took the words out of my mouth. Yet another thread where people want us to validate our purchases. What do they think we are some kind of peons or peasants that had no option other than amd? Almost no point in posting amd related material anymore. Yea this is definitely an nVidia forum, so if you want a good AMD discussion go to OCN.

Believe me I would have two 980 ti in sli and a g sync screen if they actually had a 4k gsync screen bigger than 4p inches. Right now AMD offers a better experience for me. Ips 4k crossfire freesync on a 49" monitor. Especially since I got both cards for $550.

Also I would not praise an unworthy card setup, I would sell it. Fury x is an amazing card and highly underrated, it's just amd has too many haters to get much credit

How the hell did you get 2 Fury X cards for $550 total? :eek:
 

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This post is a perfect example of what we're talking about.

I just gave you a scenario someone might go AMD. Let me say it again.

Want to use an ips 4k monitor with adaptive sync that's larger than 40 inches (32 even)? Amd is your only option.

How am I emotionally attached if I just said I would have 980 ti sli if it werent for his scenario?

I'm not aiming this at you, just saying generally. Normally an average user will compare numbers and numbers don't lie. If AMD had better perf/price they would be praised in that bracket. Wattage doesn't matter as long as it isn't 50% more than the other guy.
 

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You guys in the States are lucky... Nothing bellow 900 $CAN (about 660$) for the Fury X (or a little less for the 980Ti). But it kind of prove a point, at that price the Fury X doesn't make a lot of sens unless you have a particular need (like pairing the card with a 4K IPS monitor with Adaptive Sync that is larger than 40 inches). The Fury X almost becomes a niche market product.
 

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5870 -> 480, 6 months.
7970 -> 680, 3 months.
290X -> 780 Ti, 1 month.

So in the last 6 years, AMD has had the flagship crown for a total of 10 months, or 14% of the total time. The most recent stretch ended 2 years ago.
Nvidia also had more individual flagship crowns in the same amount of time: GTX 280, 285, 480, 580, 680, 780, 780 Ti, 980, 980 Ti.

Don't get me wrong, AMD has a lot of great GPUs. I kept my 5870 for about 4 years and loved it. But they aren't the best flagships.

295x2 still undefeated.
 

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So it is easy to see hardcore hardware forum(s) veterans are as knowledgeable and more emotional than teenagers making their first pc in a lot of cases. LOOLLLLLL
 

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No people get sick of being trolled on the internet sometimes. That's why they go elsewhere. So tell me why my FX-9370 is such a bad purchase that I should not be allowed to touch a computer?
 

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I like AMD and I buy a lot of AMD video cards but there isn't anything better than the 980 Ti right now in my opinion, so I haven't had much to contribute. I usually run 2x of the highest end GPUs in my personal system but driver support for my 290X CrossFire system fell off the deep end over the past year, so I replaced them with a 980 Ti. The performance is good enough for the games I am playing, so I'm just going to ride the single 980 Ti until next year.
 

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No people get sick of being trolled on the internet sometimes. That's why they go elsewhere. So tell me why my FX-9370 is such a bad purchase that I should not be allowed to touch a computer?

It's bad if you recommend someone to buy one now, it wouldve been fine as a 2 year old purchase,
Bad because expensive and slow.
 

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No people get sick of being trolled on the internet sometimes.

Also, some people assume that their needs/requirements apply to everyone even if it's completely without malice. But there is indeed a lot of trolling at the [H] lately, especially in the video cards forum…
 

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Weird that the second fastest single gpu card avail atm inst even talked about here. Where are all the Fury X threads if the card is that awesome. I am looking to upgrade and I'm hesitating between a 980ti and a Fury X. Lots of 980ti threads but not much in regard to the FuryX here at H even on the AMD side....what gives ?

Until the price reflects the performance level the 980Ti is going to get the majority of the sales. Why pay as much for less performance? Sure the AIO setup might be needed for a select few depending on case configs and what not, but for the majority 980Ti is where it's at.

As with any purchase evaluate your needs and how much your are wiling to spend. For some poeple, Tgrove, the Fury-X is the answer. Others...not so much.
 
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Objective would be to consider all the options.

You can get different classes of 980ti with higher clocks for close to the same price as the Fury X.
You have no choice but to compare these to the stock Fury X, there are no overclocked Fury X cards because they are already close to the limit, even with a water cooler.
This doesnt invalidate the comparison, it demonstrates the lack of value the Fury X represents.

Again fully aware of everything you said. I don't have a problem with what was said, but how it was said -- my pet peeve is people embellishing or making sweeping generalizations, and most of the time they get away with it because of AMD's reputation. Notice how most on here automatically assume user error or incompetence and don't blame nVidia when problems arise? Anyway I digress. Yes aftermarket 980 Ti's exist, no they still aren't 30% faster unless overclocked to the hilt. Also the gap closes from 1080p to 4K, not everybody overclocks, blah blah blah if we want to consider all options. And if I were really to nitpick, he actually said "30% slower", 30% slower would imply the other thing is 42.8% faster, but that's another story.
 
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I check the price of the R9 Fury (air cooled) cards about once a week. Once they get below $400 I would likely pick one up. However I suspect Nvidia will either drop prices or release new hardware before this happens. The card interests me more of a curiosity than a top shelf performer, however I am not dropping $500+ for a card that performs poorly against a 980Ti.
 
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