pendragon1
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that vid is 1 1/2 old. so "went looking for/had saved for future use" is more appropriate. I'm sure you ranted about it back then too...
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Until AMD stops blatantly lying like this in their marketing I won't even consider looking at them.While we're on the topic of marketing gaffes I found this gem
Youtube video
4GB HBM exceeds the capabilities of even 12GB GDDR5, they said.
Until AMD stops blatantly lying like this in their marketing I won't even consider looking at them.
The deal seems like a good one for the price, but AMD haven't yet released a product that they haven't wildly lied about the performance of in at least 5 years, so the above statement applies. I won't support a company that consistently and so obviously lies about their own products.
Until AMD stops blatantly lying like this in their marketing I won't even consider looking at them.
The deal seems like a good one for the price, but AMD haven't yet released a product that they haven't wildly lied about the performance of in at least 5 years, so the above statement applies. I won't support a company that consistently and so obviously lies about their own products.
While we're on the topic of marketing gaffes I found this gem
4GB HBM exceeds the capabilities of even 12GB GDDR5, they said.
There is actually a difference there. The nvidia license was because Intel infringed their patents with the tech in their integrated graphics and by court settlement was ordered to license the patents. Where the AMD deal is likely different is AND actually makes better integrated graphics hardware than Intel and licensing the tech makes much more sense. Intel really doesn't compete with AMD (thanks to those fact AMD hasn't made a competitive product in years), but they do compete with nvidia in several areas. If intels integrated gpu where good enough for OEM to not need to stick a dedicated nvidia card in them that deprives revenue from one of the few companies that really competes with Intel.
In 2004 Intel and NVIDIA went to the table, as the growing GPU market and its increasingly complex technology put Intel at risk of violating NVIDIA’s patents. This was primarily over Intel’s IGPs, which eventually would run afoul of NVIDIA’s graphics patents. In return for NVIDIA licensing the necessary patents to Intel so that Intel could continue producing chipsets with IGPs, Intel in return would license to NVIDIA their front side bus (FSB) and future buses (e.g. DMI). This is what allowed NVIDIA to enter the Intel chipset market with the nForce 4 Intel Edition chipset and to continue providing chipsets and IGPs up through the current 320M chipset.
The end result is that in early 2009 the two parties filed suit against each other. Intel’s suit asked for the courts to affirm that NVIDIA did not have rights to DMI/QPI and that NVIDIA had breached the agreement by claiming they did have rights. NVIDIA’s suit in return was filed as a response to Intel’s suit, with NVIDIA claiming that Intel’s claim had no merit and that by doing so Intel was in violation.
NVIDIA and Intel originally cross-licensed in 2004 so that Intel could build IGPs using NVIDIA patented technologies and methods. That agreement was set to expire this year, which would have been a massive problem for a company whose CPUs almost always include a GPU. Today’s agreement with NVIDIA renews and extends that original agreement: Intel continues to cross-license with NVIDIA, allowing them to produce IGPs that use/infringe on NVIDIA patents. To be clear we believe this is a continuation of existing practices, and not any kind of agreement to integrate actual NVIDIA GPUs into future Intel CPUs as others have claimed elsewhere.
When you think the guy cant get any dumber...
Interesting...Vega is now "Middle of 2017" btw in case anyone missed it.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/402...ent-presents-barclays-global-technology-media
While we're on the topic of marketing gaffes I found this gem
4GB HBM exceeds the capabilities of even 12GB GDDR5, they said.
LOL no wonder why people thought HBM took care of high resolution gaming, man that is gotta be the best freakin made up shit in the world and then people fell for it? What they forgot the pci-e bus has always been the bottleneck when transferring over from system memory?
Until AMD stops blatantly lying like this in their marketing I won't even consider looking at them.
The deal seems like a good one for the price, but AMD haven't yet released a product that they haven't wildly lied about the performance of in at least 5 years, so the above statement applies. I won't support a company that consistently and so obviously lies about their own products.
I run a 1080 which is just a beefier 1070 and experience absolutely no problems. The thing people are commenting on is the bullshit marketing hype AMD throws out there for very lackluster products. It would be like Ford releasing a new pinto and trying to get everyone to believe it is a corvette killer.Not sure why nvidia gets a free pass, 1070 has been assigned to CSGO idling/NHL streaming. I've had enough of it and gsync garbage I'd rather play new games on xbone & ps4, and my older dx9/10 games on 7870. At least they will run properly.
Ugh. Amd always said for months that rx480 will be mainstream card. Starting to beat a dead horse again. Did they want it to be little faster I am pretty sure they did. But the price also reflects that as well.I run a 1080 which is just a beefier 1070 and experience absolutely no problems. The thing people are commenting on is the bullshit marketing hype AMD throws out there for very lackluster products. It would be like Ford releasing a new pinto and trying to get everyone to believe it is a corvette killer.
Vega is now "Middle of 2017" btw in case anyone missed it.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/402...ent-presents-barclays-global-technology-media
I think he's referring to Vega products for the data center. There isn't enough information there to conclude that consumer GPUs based on Vega won't come out earlier.
i know that. but the license still give intel access to nvidia IP. if intel simply want to develop better gpu they don't need to go the hurdles making new agreement with AMD when they can already get that with their current agreement with nvidia. unless it is one of this two:
1) intel no longer want to pumping more money to nvidia. so instead of pay licencing term with nvidia they turn to AMD instead. AMD might end up costing intel cheaper as well. but intel have no what so ever desire to integrate AMD tech directly into their gpu
2) intel indeed want AMD gpu tech into their gpu. but they did not want simply to license the tech from AMD. they want to snatch RTG themselves away from AMD. Raja was supposed to make that happen?
Not sure why nvidia gets a free pass, 1070 has been assigned to CSGO idling/NHL streaming. I've had enough of it and gsync garbage I'd rather play new games on xbone & ps4, and my older dx9/10 games on 7870. At least they will run properly.
Are you sure about that? Do you have a link?IIRC, Vega for enterprise was slated first, consumer second.
Are you sure about that? Do you have a link?
MSI and gsync works if you sacrifice a small animal i can confirm.You probably have the HP laptop which for which it's known that GSync doesn't work on it. Blame HP for making a shitty laptop; blame yourself for not researching before you bought it.
While we're on the topic of marketing gaffes I found this gem
4GB HBM exceeds the capabilities of even 12GB GDDR5, they said.
So it could be all of this is a lead up to eventually selling off the Radeon division.Well this shows AMD business strategy being erratic as usual.
Radeon teaming up with Intel for a cut price bundle; Intel i5 6600K CPU with the MSI 480 ARMOR 8GB.
With Zen launching early next year, WTF are they doing helping push a cheap bundle with a competitor's CPU and removing a possible buyer of your own CPU out of your target audience...
http://radeon.com/en-us/radeon-intel-bundle/
And the deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3305313
Idiots, they should be protecting the target audience to give their own product the best chance of sales.
But to me this again highlights the internal disconnect and possible conflicts of interest between VPs-senior management and the CPU-GPU divisions now split.
CEO needs to clamp down on the GPU business division; how much of this comes back to Raja, did the Intel-AMD deal involve him or was more broad because I am sure the CPU division would want something back if Intel is licensing iGPU tech.
Cheers
If so it suggests Raja is pushing a conflict.So it could be all of this is a lead up to eventually selling off the Radeon division.
Not necessarily. let us assume for a moment the CPU team has a good handle on APU development in house and no longer needs tech from the dedicated GPU division. At that time if the companies primary concern is to build up their server business and APU sales then the Radeon division could be viewed as a drag on money and resources. AMD could be saying our best bet is to focus on one product (CPU) instead of multiple products.If so it suggests Raja is pushing a conflict.
The CEO would not impact the CPU division sales just before they launch like this.
If there is no sell-off of the GPU division (and I am not convinced senior board management would let it go as their long term future is about integrating CPU-GPU for quite a few sectors, would come down to senior shareholders who have a stake in AMD not just the Radeon division), this is bad news from a business structural management view as these divisions need to work together, who has control of APUs (would be CPU team) and can indirectly screw back the GPU division if they so wanted to.
Any way you look at this, it is idiotic AMD business-management.
CHeers
Not necessarily. let us assume for a moment the CPU team has a good handle on APU development in house and no longer needs tech from the dedicated GPU division. At that time if the companies primary concern is to build up their server business and APU sales then the Radeon division could be viewed as a drag on money and resources. AMD could be saying our best bet is to focus on one product (CPU) instead of multiple products.
I never said it made the most sense, but makes as much as the Radeon team bundling their GPUs with intel CPUsYou cannot run a good CPU division without overlap and collaboration with the GPU division, what do you think Xeon Phi is?
How is the CPU team going to carry on development of Zen/new APUs-consoles of all types with the teams now split between the CPU and GPU divisions if the GPU team involved in Zen are not collaborating?
If the GPU division creates conflict, there are ways for the CPU team to respond and cause a wrinkle for them back.
What has Radeon division being viewed as a drag on money and resources got to do with it being ok that they are screwing over Zen PC gaming sales?
By that logic they would be clamped down instantly and not do a deal with Intel and the i5 as your suggesting the senior board is focused on pushing CPUs.
Anyway this is digressing that this strategy is a pain in the arse for Zen, if it is a small blip.
Cheers
Personally I cannot see the board or the key senior major investors allowing the GPU division to be sold off, they cannot sell their millions of shares in AMD without taking a hammering after the deal and the market makers shafting them.Well if this is the case, its a conflict of interest, if AMD "helps" Intel get better in iGPU to an even standing with AMD's APU. This would just hurt them in the long run. As you stated it will give credence for Intel to buy RTG but also help Intel's CPU division over AMD's CPU division.
If this hurts AMD which will show up not in Kaby Lake or Cannon Lake, it will show up in a chip after that, you can bet AMD's board will look at this and heads will start rolling. I see this as a very risky move on AMD's part. This is a gamble AMD should never take,, they hold no cards. We have seen them take these risks in the past and none of them have paid off. Just the last round of the GF, is now sucking AMD dry. ATi's buyout the gamble before, just didn't work out.
Intel shit its all good for them because they will have tech to move forward to beat AMD on the CPU front and take on nV too.
Zen is going to kill Intel, and AMD's confidence for ZEN is that high
or AMD has conceded to Intel knowing they can't compete with Intel without an influx of money and this is the gamble they are taking. Pretty much short term gains with long term ramifications just as they have done in the past. GF, Hynix, ATi, are just a few gambles that were more headaches then benefits. But this case, they could actually be bought out as a whole by another company because their bottom line might be healthy or "healthy" looking.