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Holy crap, watch how many buttons this race car driver presses during this lap. Wow! I had no idea that Formula One racing was this high tech.
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Nascar isn't even just big engines. The competitors are forced to use restriction plates -- which means everyone has the same horsepower cap.F1 Cars are the Pinnacle of automotive technology , the tech they are using is only available to consumers many years later, it is known.
Don`t mean to sound like a douche , but to my knowledge, in America , racing cars are mostly NASCAR style cars that are pretty basic technology wise (big engines on cars the go in circles all day long).
NASCAR is just one racing series that is a drop in the bucket of all racing series in North America, but it is certainly the most publicized. Its popularity has been steadily declining in the past decade. I've always preferred watching the various SCCA-sanctioned series and WeatherTech Sportscar, and still enjoy IndyCar.F1 Cars are the Pinnacle of automotive technology , the tech they are using is only available to consumers many years later, it is known.
Don`t mean to sound like a douche , but to my knowledge, in America , racing cars are mostly NASCAR style cars that are pretty basic technology wise (big engines on cars the go in circles all day long).
I've never been a fan of Nascar, and I find it sadly hilarious that someone built a Nascar track here in Kansas City just in time for people to stop caring.NASCAR is just one racing series that is a drop in the bucket of all racing series in North America, but it is certainly the most publicized. Its popularity has been steadily declining in the past decade. I've always preferred watching the various SCCA-sanctioned series and WeatherTech Sportscar, and still enjoy IndyCar.
Kansas City, MO or Kansas City, KS? If the latter they have had a NASCAR-style oval there since 2001. The Craftsman Truck Series was initially the only "major" NASCAR division to race there.I've never been a fan of Nascar, and I find it sadly hilarious that someone built a Nascar track here in Kansas City just in time for people to stop caring.
I've always preferred watching the various SCCA-sanctioned series and WeatherTech Sportscar, and still enjoy IndyCar.
5.8L is still a damn big engine in my book.. especially considering the biggest engine in F1 in the last 20 years has been a 3.0L and they're currently running 1.6L Turbo V6's.Edit 2: Also Nascar engines aren't that big. "In 1971, NASCAR handicapped the larger engines with a restrictor plate. By 1972, NASCAR phased in a rule to lower the maximum engine displacement from 429 cubic inches(7.0 liters) to its present 358 cubic inches (5.8 liters)."
F1 Cars are the Pinnacle of automotive technology , the tech they are using is only available to consumers many years later, it is known.
Don`t mean to sound like a douche , but to my knowledge, in America , racing cars are mostly NASCAR style cars that are pretty basic technology wise (big engines on cars the go in circles all day long).
Nascar isn't even just big engines. The competitors are forced to use restriction plates -- which means everyone has the same horsepower cap.
Edit: Restrictor plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Well damn. Looks like all the competitions have artificial restrictions.
Edit 2: Also Nascar engines aren't that big. "In 1971, NASCAR handicapped the larger engines with a restrictor plate. By 1972, NASCAR phased in a rule to lower the maximum engine displacement from 429 cubic inches(7.0 liters) to its present 358 cubic inches (5.8 liters)."
Edit 3: That "DRS Open" at the start seems to be a Drag Reduction System. Pretty cool stuff. And after watching the video, I realize I could never be a race car driver.
No they are not. F1 is much more advanced (and much much more expensive). The Difference Between IndyCar And Formula 1: Money, Lots Of It!I think the Indy Car series fans would argue with you there.
The Indy cars are just as advanced as F1, but like NASCAR have much more conformance to keep competition tight.
F1 lol. LMP1 has been more technologically advanced and relevant for years...
Pretty sure Bill Elliot wasn't racing when NASCAR had Superbirds in 1970. He set the record in the late 80's in a Ford Thunderbird. I use to watch it a bit back then with my grandfather.If I recall Bill Elliot set the NASCAR speed record in an unrestricted Plymouth Super Bird at Talledega......excess of 220 MPH
Nascar isn't even just big engines. The competitors are forced to use restriction plates -- which means everyone has the same horsepower cap.
Edit: Restrictor plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Well damn. Looks like all the competitions have artificial restrictions.
Edit 2: Also Nascar engines aren't that big. "In 1971, NASCAR handicapped the larger engines with a restrictor plate. By 1972, NASCAR phased in a rule to lower the maximum engine displacement from 429 cubic inches(7.0 liters) to its present 358 cubic inches (5.8 liters)."
Edit 3: That "DRS Open" at the start seems to be a Drag Reduction System. Pretty cool stuff. And after watching the video, I realize I could never be a race car driver.
While they do press a lot lot of buttons now, nothing compares to the crazy days where they had to take one hand off the steering wheel to shift gears.
No traction control, no abs, no drs, no nothing!
Ayerton Senna's lap of Monaco is epic. But a lot more dangerous back then too. Fun to watch but at the sacrifice of driver's lives was a high price to pay.
Baku is a horrible track design that doesn't help. I feel the FIA just sanctioned this race to gain headlines.And the racing is better by leaps and bounds.
Baku was the worst race in history. I'd watch 100 nascar races before watching Baku again. What a waste of time that race was.
It was 1987, and you're right: it was done in a Thunderbird. The lap speed was 212.809 MPH, or 44.9981 seconds around the 2.66 mile tri-oval.Pretty sure Bill Elliot wasn't racing when NASCAR had Superbirds in 1970. He set the record in the late 80's in a Ford Thunderbird. I use to watch it a bit back then with my grandfather.
While the do press a lot lot of buttons now, nothing compares to the crazy days where they had to take one hand off the steering wheel to shift gears.
No traction control, no abs, no drs, no nothing!
Ayerton Senna's lap of Monaco is epic. But a lot more dangerous back then too. Fun to watch but at the sacrifice of driver's lives was a high price to pay.
That is the whole powertrain including ERS. If I remember correctly there is no limit to the size of the fuel cell in the car, but of course you want to make it as small as possible while still being able to finish a race. Another restriction limits maximum engine speed to 15,000 RPM, but because of the limit on fuel flow rate most engines top out around 11k-12k.Well the formula1 has 1.6 liter engine and they pull 700hp out of it. They also have a load of tech restrictions limiting the maximum power - the biggest one being a cap on maximum fuel flow per minute. They have to conserve fuel while racing.
SCCA SSR class races are a sight to behold. The only thing I enjoy more is the 24 hours of Lemons.
F1 Cars are the Pinnacle of automotive technology , the tech they are using is only available to consumers many years later, it is known.
Don`t mean to sound like a douche , but to my knowledge, in America , racing cars are mostly NASCAR style cars that are pretty basic technology wise (big engines on cars the go in circles all day long).
Baku is a horrible track design that doesn't help. I feel the FIA just sanctioned this race to gain headlines.
If I remember correctly there is no limit to the size of the fuel cell in the car, but of course you want to make it as small as possible while still being able to finish a race.
I would also like to notify you that F1 is international not European. There is even a F1 race in Texas and there may soon be one in New Jersey.
While Nascar may be as you suggest. Indy Car and it's predecessors were once considered a equivalent racing league to F1. That has changed in the last 20 years specifically. Where Indy is now closer to a Junior league then F1, but the cars are still very fast, open wheel, and very very dangerous. It is now far more likely that you would be killed in Indy then F1. While the greatest drivers in the world may be in WRC where life and death await every race.
We even got to see it proven watching Kimi Räikkönen do so poorly after wining in F1 and trying to do WRC.
F1 drivers arn't guaranteed to be good Nascar drivers, WRC drivers arn't guaranteed to be good F1 or Indy drivers etc. So when anyone says that 1 specific racing series is the greatest driver I kind of flinch. Racing boats and WRC are some of the most dangerous in the world and I give more props for that but who are the best? I try and limit that to similar driving situations. Such as comparing F1 drivers to Indy drivers. They drive similar types of cars in similar fashions. But in the end I think most F1 drivers would have trouble in Nascar and most Nascar drivers would have trouble in F1. The driving just is totally different. I personally don't think much of Nascar, but if it was that easy then Juan Pablo Montoya would of dominated it. He didn't. Then he went to Indy where he instantly started doing well again. Indy is at-least like F1.
I would also like to notify you that F1 is international not European. There is even a F1 race in Texas and there may soon be one in New Jersey.
I'm not sure forcing them to use a stick-shifter at those crazy speeds with walls everywhere is the best idea though it is definitely more [H]ardcore.They need to keep today's safety standards and go back to cockpits like he had...that would be epic. Real driving with safe cars.
I'm not sure forcing them to use a stick-shifter at those crazy speeds with walls everywhere is the best idea though it is definitely more [H]ardcore.
Really with all those buttons, you might as well let a computer do the shifting and take some stress away from the driver.
While they do press a lot lot of buttons now, nothing compares to the crazy days where they had to take one hand off the steering wheel to shift gears.
No traction control, no abs, no drs, no nothing!
Ayerton Senna's lap of Monaco is epic. But a lot more dangerous back then too. Fun to watch but at the sacrifice of driver's lives was a high price to pay.
Fuck that. That'll show whos a real driver and who is just barely good enough to get a seat.I'm not sure forcing them to use a stick-shifter at those crazy speeds with walls everywhere is the best idea though it is definitely more [H]ardcore.
Really with all those buttons, you might as well let a computer do the shifting and take some stress away from the driver.
The cars are too complex to have the radio ban they did. They could kill off the "brake 10 meters later" radio calls. But, when systems are failing, there is no way a driver could memorize all the procedures, because sometimes knowing how the system works intimately is required to memorize certain switches, etc.But that's the whole idea, a test of the driver's skill. That's why they took the traction control and suspension computers out. They only recently allowed the teams to coach/assist the drivers over the radio. They want the driver to do it all.
F1 lol. LMP1 has been more technologically advanced and relevant for years...
Except there is a lemans winner that is and was an active F1 driver.That's where you go when you retire from F1, or never made it to F1 to begin with.
Mind you, my take has always been that car racing is about cars, not drivers.
Who can make the best car, based on some formula or specification. The driver is only there to make the best of what he is given. Try to make the most of the car by messing up the least.
I do like races where everyone is given the same car, then we can call that a driver's race.
If I am not mistaken, was that not the format of IROC racing?
Well with 2 way dip switches, 7 would get you 128 combinations.Supposedly there are over 74 combinations for drivers to switch on their "wheel" which is quite complex
F1 Cars are the Pinnacle of automotive technology , the tech they are using is only available to consumers many years later, it is known.
Don`t mean to sound like a douche , but to my knowledge, in America , racing cars are mostly NASCAR style cars that are pretty basic technology wise (big engines on cars the go in circles all day long).
Supposedly there are over 74 combinations for drivers to switch on their "wheel" which is quite complex
Mind you, my take has always been that car racing is about cars, not drivers.
Who can make the best car, based on some formula or specification. The driver is only there to make the best of what he is given. Try to make the most of the car by messing up the least.
I do like races where everyone is given the same car, then we can call that a driver's race.
If I am not mistaken, was that not the format of IROC racing?
yeah walls and racing usually isnt a good idea
The back end comes out and guess what happens? Crash?
Except there is a lemans winner that is and was an active F1 driver.