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First SFF build

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praxis1452

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After using a CM stacker for my first build, and now going away to college, I think I wanna go for something small. Either SG05 or SG03 or mini-itx/micro-atx.

Basically I'm going for something that's small, and performs well/ I can overclock. Now it doesn't have to be really silent or anything as I'll probably be wearing headphones most of the time, but I mean the more silent the better still.

Would prefer the SG05, but I don't trust the PSU. The ripple of 140mv, and 70mv is a decent bit out of ATX spec. Now it doesn't say it complies with ATX spec either so it's not like silverstone's advertising it wrong, so I thought about getting a Seasonic eco 300W, but it's got a fan on the bottom decreasing the cpu heatsink height from 82 to around 69. eek. I mean certain cpu coolers are smaller, but the amount of space means that I'd just use the 80mm to draw the air up. I'd try to use the zalman 8700, but they 80mm psu fan and the cpu would try to compete for air so I'm thinking of trying to mount the cpu with an axp-140.


If I were to go micro-atx I'd probably use the SG03, use an actual ATX PS, and DFI LP JR P45-T2RS over the Zotac I'd be using.

Parts of both builds e8500, ati 4770, seaget 1.5tb.

So any suggestions on which one I should pick and or helpful tips? The SG03 with 2x 120mm intakes would seem to have better cooling ability, but bit-tech reviewed both and the sg05 actually cooled better. Of course they didn't turn the psu over with the sg03 to remove the heat...

btw looking at the SG01 it's also an option, but it seems to have limited cpu cooling.
 
I'd go with the SG-05 if you're willing to go through the work of modifying a bit like CompuGeek did with his SG-05 build. It is pretty awesome to have such a powerful PC in such a small package.

Just as an aside: One thing that kind of bugs me is that Bit-Tech didn't test the PSU in their review of the SG-05 case. That would have been soooo reassuring due to ripple measurement on the included FSP PSU.
 
Danny Bui said:
I'd go with the SG-05 if you're willing to go through the work of modifying a bit like CompuGeek did with his SG-05 build. It is pretty awesome to have such a powerful PC in such a small package.

Just as an aside: One thing that kind of bugs me is that Bit-Tech didn't test the PSU in their review of the SG-05 case. That would have been soooo reassuring due to ripple measurement on the included FSP PSU.
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A link to how CompuGeek modded his SG05? I'm not afraid to mod if it's simple as this would be my first time modding a case. Now, I wouldn't mind do it, and think it'd be fun, but if I'm unable to do so, not have to mess my entire build haha.

But yeah, open to modding, but not sure what needs to be done. Thinking about adding a 120mm intake fan or something to the side or something.
 
if you're still considering an SG03, I'm selling mine for $90 shipped... going for $100 shipped on the egg but after a $40 rebate. Take a look :)
 
I too was afraid of the quality of the SG05 power supply, so I crammed a Seasonic 350w sfx power supply into the case. In doing so, I had to modify the front drive bracket in order to make room for the deeper power supply. I also shortened and sleeved most of my power supply cables, which helped a whole lot. You can see all of my progress in the thread that Danny Bui linked you to.

I'd have to say that my SG05 build has turned out to be one of the most satisfying builds I've done. I never expected it to turn out as good as it did. :D


Overall, I'd say you should stick with the SG05 for your build. It's in a league of its own in the size department. After seeing this case, I wouldn't touch microATX ever. It just needs a little modification to get what you want into it. Check out the specs I was able to cram into mine.

* Silverstone Sugo SG05 with 120mm Antec Red LED intake fan
* Seasonic 350w SFX psu
* Zotac Geforce 9300-ITX WIFI
* Q6600 @ 3ghz stock volts
* Coolermaster GeminII S cpu cooler with Yate Loon 120x20mm fan
* 4gb Kingston low profile DDR2 800 1.8v
* EVGA Geforce GTS 250
* Silverstone SOD01 Slim Optical DVD +- R DL burner
* Western Digital Scorpio Black 320gb 7200rpm 2.5" hdd


I recycled the Q6600 that was previously in my main system to use in this one. I have no trouble keeping it running cool in this case. You should be able to cool that e8500 with ease if you use a cooling setup like mine.
 
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For the SG03 I'd say modding a exhaust fan would help more than a third intake. With two 120mm fans up front the SG03 gets pretty good fresh air in as it is. What it really needs is a exhaust fan. The SG03 has room to mount one on its top towards the rear. A company like PerformancePC will even do the work for you for around an extra $20(what I was quoted a year ago) if you dont want to do it yourself. One of the nice things about the SG03 is that it will fit any size video card and a psu up to a 1000w unit. They aren't the smallest SFF boxes however but travel around pretty good for LAN parties and such things.
 
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showpost.php?p=50246&postcount=8

That's a link to the PSU test data received by silverstone. Ripple is enough on the 12V, but far exceeds it on the 3.3V.

Compug##k would you be able to add say a 20mm thick fan to the right back side and not hit your geminii s heatpipes? I'm just wondering. I think the case could do it as their is a vent right there, and it's allow for a low rpm fan to remove the cpu heat and reduce stress on the psu fan.
 
No, there isn't nearly enough space right there for a fan, unless it was mounted on the outside. A fan isn't really needed there anyway due to the positive air pressure inside the case. Heat is forced out of that vent even without a fan. With the massive amounts of airflow being forced into the power supply from the cpu fan, the power supply doesn't really get that hot. It gets about as hot as a normal ATX power supply would when under a load.
 
 
Extreme Techinist said:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1414331

I think build with GeminII is easier.
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Took your advice. Didn't want to spend ~$70 on a cooler that I wasn't sure was really going to do all that better. Hehe. Gonna add a 120mm to the left side as I won't be using a 3.5" hard drive. Got a 320 gigabyte 2.5" coming. Now to try and find a thin fan that pushes just enough air not to mess up the front to back air flow.
 
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