First Ryzen build (5600x) frustrations(?)

running ryzen below 1800/3600 on IF/ram is usually the biggest perf drop, not much what you get from pbo, ignoring that your still running the bus below its optimal clock,
slowing down everything that your doing on the pc..
 
Waldorf Jr said:
running ryzen below 1800/3600 on IF/ram is usually the biggest perf drop, not much what you get from pbo, ignoring that your still running the bus below its optimal clock,
slowing down everything that your doing on the pc..
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What does IF mean to you? I have 32GB of memory, I keep it at 3200MHz, CL 16-20-20-40-75
 
Strange bird said:
What does IF mean to you? I have 32GB of memory, I keep it at 3200MHz, CL 16-20-20-40-75
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bump it to 3600, it will bump the IF to 1800 were it performs best. try just increasing it, if it doesnt work as is bump the voltage to 1.4, then if you have to increase those timings 2 point each.
 
infinity fabric aka bus connecting everything. this should be run at 1800 mhz and 1:1 setting for IF:mem clk (so ram runs 3600) for max throughput.
the drop going below that speed is nothing any oc will make up for, especially if looking at ram R/W.

do a aida64 memory&cache bench and compare.
with 1800:3600 it should do ~50 GB/s read, ~28 write, 46 GB copy.

pendragon1
unless i missed something:
G.skill FlareX 2x16gb (3800/1900 16-16-16-16-24-40 @1.43v)
so it should do 3600/[email protected]
that was skullangels kit, not from SB.
 
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Waldorf Jr said:
infinity fabric aka bus connecting everything. this should be run at 1800 mhz and 1:1 setting for IF:mem clk (so ram runs 3600) for max throughput.
the drop going below that speed is nothing any oc will make up for, especially if looking at ram R/W.

do a aida64 memory&cache bench and compare.
with 1800:3600 it should do ~50 GB/s read, ~28 write, 46 GB copy.

pendragon1
unless i missed something:
G.skill FlareX 2x16gb (3800/1900 16-16-16-16-24-40 @1.43v)

so it should do 3600/[email protected]
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It doesn't go to 3600MHz, now it's 3200MHz at 1.35V, I can probably go a little higher, but no way at 3600MHz, I have a patriot viper steel gaming.
I think I already tried it at 3600MHz and it wouldn't boot
 
Strange bird said:
It doesn't go to 3600MHz, now it's 3200MHz at 1.35V, I can probably go a little higher, but no way at 3600MHz, I have a patriot viper steel gaming.
I think I already tried it at 3600MHz and it wouldn't boot
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try following my instructions
 
pendragon1 said:
try following my instructions
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PBO just enabled, nothing, I tried it, then it only boosts up to 4.6GHz at the factory.
I have to set everything to advanced and then boost the processor to 4.8GHz.
I raised the memory to 3400MHz with 1.4V, so now I will test it.

I have infinity fabric frequency and dividers on auto settings.
 
if you can, swap with a 3600C16 maybe C18 kit.
much better overall, then any pbo oc will get you.
 
Strange bird said:
PBO just enabled, nothing, I tried it, then it only boosts up to 4.6GHz at the factory.
I have to set everything to advanced and then boost the processor to 4.8GHz.
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i just have mine set like this:
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Strange bird said:
I raised the memory to 3400MHz with 1.4V, so now I will test it.
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look up your kits 3600 equivalent and then match its speeds with 1.4v, set it manually.
 
pendragon1 said:
i just have mine set like this:
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look up your kits 3600 equivalent and then match its speeds with 1.4v, set it manually.
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Now I'm looking and FCLK is at 1664MHz.
Now I set the memory to 3333MHz because it is the closest to FCLK.(1:1)
I don't know what latencies to set at 3600MHz, it crashes at 3600MHz with those XMP settings (16-20-20-40).

My bios is different, when I set PBO to enabled I have absolutely no other options to choose from (except the advanced option)
 
Strange bird said:
I don't know what latencies to set at 3600MHz, it crashes at 3600MHz with those XMP settings (16-20-20-40).

My bios is different, when I set PBO to enabled I have absolutely no other options to choose from (except the advanced option)
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then try 18-22-22-42 and 1.4v the small decrease there is worth it to get the IF to 1800.
yeah youll have to look around. they should be there somewhere.
 
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pendragon1 said:
then try 18-22-22-42 and 1.4v the small decrease there is worth it to get the IF to 1800.
yeah youll have to look around. they should be there somewhere.
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Not as far as I can see, I have options for amd overclocking under the advanced option in the bios menu.
For PBO, I can choose auto, disable, enable and advanced. I can only change under advanced, nothing else.
And what should I do with the Infinity Fabric Frequency and Dividers option (goes from 667 to 3000MHz)? That option is located right at the beginning of the bios, where there are other options for overclocking the processor (bus) and memory.

My bios is split into Main/OC Tweaker/Advanced/Tool/HW Monitor/Security/Boot/Exit.
Under Advanced is AMD Overclocking and under it is PBO.
 
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nothing we talked about is for cpu/pbo, unless stated, its for ram/bus settings.
your ocing the cpu with pbo to gain 1-5%, if your lucky, while wasting ~5-10% on sub-optimal ram/IF clocks that affect EVERYTHING, not just cpu speed,
and more important will produce bigger gains for memory/bus bandwidth, incl all other I/O stuff.

if you want to get some extra out of the chip, fine, but stop wasting energy on pbo, when you dont even have proper ram (3600C16) or IF (bus, 1800 MHz) performance,
throttling everything by 10-30% that using ram/pcie lanes...
 
Waldorf Jr said:
nothing we talked about is for cpu/pbo, unless stated, its for ram/bus settings.
your ocing the cpu with pbo to gain 1-5%, if your lucky, while wasting ~5-10% on sub-optimal ram/IF clocks that affect EVERYTHING, not just cpu speed,
and more important will produce bigger gains for memory/bus bandwidth, incl all other I/O stuff.

if you want to get some extra out of the chip, fine, but stop wasting energy on pbo, when you dont even have proper ram (3600C16) or IF (bus, 1800 MHz) performance,
throttling everything by 10-30% that using ram/pcie lanes...
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I breastfed with pbo around 2.5%.
I'm asking you, can I set FCLK to 1800? Now it's on the auto (hw monitor reports 1664)
I will overclock the memory to 3600MHz with pendragon latencies.
I am interested in how to fill in the options in the bios, not how much I will get with the imaginary board and imaginary memory(the ones I don't have)
 
Strange bird
without detailed info (e.g. ram-die) its not easy to tell if it can do 1800, as you want IF:ram ratio to be 1:1.
5000 series can always do 1800 on IF, so its really about having a certified kit (AMP 3600), or known (samsung) b-die (or equivalent) basically anything that does 3600C14 or 4000C19 (or faster).

we have hijacked this thread enough, i suggest you get some hw info (use typhoon burner to read out your rams spd), so ppl know where to start,
and post a new question in the ram (tweak) section asking for help.

i recommend you turn off PBO and any cpu oc/tweak( to disabled), to make sure stability is only affected by ram tweaks, and use something like TM5/HCI etc to test stability on stock for a day.
read up on basic ryzen ram tuning, as a couple are general ryzen settings, independent from what cpu/kit your using...

once you have found best possible settings, test ram for stability again (24h if possible), if stable, THEN you can start messing with tuning the cpu..
 
Waldorf Jr said:
Strange bird
without detailed info (e.g. ram-die) its not easy to tell if it can do 1800, as you want IF:ram ratio to be 1:1.
5000 series can always do 1800 on IF, so its really about having a certified kit (AMP 3600), or known (samsung) b-die (or equivalent) basically anything that does 3600C14 or 4000C19 (or faster).

we have hijacked this thread enough, i suggest you get some hw info (use typhoon burner to read out your rams spd), so ppl know where to start,
and post a new question in the ram (tweak) section asking for help.

i recommend you turn off PBO and any cpu oc/tweak( to disabled), to make sure stability is only affected by ram tweaks, and use something like TM5/HCI etc to test stability on stock for a day.
read up on basic ryzen ram tuning, as a couple are general ryzen settings, independent from what cpu/kit your using...

once you have found best possible settings, test ram for stability again (24h if possible), if stable, THEN you can start messing with tuning the cpu..
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I think none of all, I already used Typhoon Burner, I have 2x8GB Hynix and 2x8GB Micron Memory, it's not certain B-Die ...
at 3600mhz with Cl 16 is demolished, maybe work with Cl 18 from Pendragon.
But 3400MHz is OK to me, and the processor now goes up to 4850mhz, I thought Ryzen 5600x factory locked on 4650mhz but not.
 
Strange bird said:
at 3600mhz with Cl 16 is demolished, maybe work with Cl 18 from Pendragon.
But 3400MHz is OK to me, and the processor now goes up to 4850mhz, I thought Ryzen 5600x factory locked on 4650mhz but not.
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try the slower timings it should hopefully do 3600
4650 is the default max boost. if you didnt find the boost over ride to manually set the +200 then something else is doing it for you.
id just focus on the ram now and leave the cpu as is.
 
Strange bird
its fine, as you clearly dont understand the basics, as 3600 at cl 18 is still better than any lower speed with lower cl.
ignoring you most likely are gpu "bottlenecked", as many of gamers are, and probably didnt even care to tweak and tune your gpu, wasting gains of easily 5-10%,
and thats regarding in-game fps, not just limited to cpu boost gains in low single digits on overall cpu perf, maybe 1-2 fps in games,
all while starving ram/bus/gpu performance because of below 3600/1800 speeds of ram/IF.

if you dont care to follow advice, maybe dont ask for help, im not gonna waste my time anymore, so keep going...
 
Waldorf Jr said:
Strange bird
its fine, as you clearly dont understand the basics, as 3600 at cl 18 is still better than any lower speed with lower cl.
ignoring you most likely are gpu "bottlenecked", as many of gamers are, and probably didnt even care to tweak and tune your gpu, wasting gains of easily 5-10%,
and thats regarding in-game fps, not just limited to cpu boost gains in low single digits on overall cpu perf, maybe 1-2 fps in games,
all while starving ram/bus/gpu performance because of below 3600/1800 speeds of ram/IF.

if you dont care to follow advice, maybe dont ask for help, im not gonna waste my time anymore, so keep going...
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Defuse,don't get too hot, my new power supply is on its way, so I'll try 3600mhz with relaxed latencies and FCLK at 1800mhz.
I will test that when I get a new power supply and when I have time, probably Sunday.
I had no idea that the best memory for ryzen 5600x is 3600mhz and cl16, they are rare or usually expensive for me.
How would I know that, I don't know how to set latencies either, I have this one xmp and that's it, how do I know which and how much latencies I should release unless someone tells me who understands it.
There was that ryzen calculator, but he wasn't very sure either.
Also, don't forget that I come from a ryzen 2700x, this 5600x is a completely different story.
I will have to install that aida and see how the memory behaves, I don't know if free aida64 enough for that.

Can FCLK or IF 1800MHz be supported by all motherboards?
I don't understand why when I overclock the memory, the IF doesn't increase automatically.
 
Nothing from 3600MHz and IF 1800MHz, I had three short beep codes and I had bsod PAGE FAULT IN NONPAGED AREA.
I tried 3600MHz with latencies 26-26-26-26-58 but nothing, now it's at 3333MHz because it's the closest to IF of 1664MHz.
It's not top memory, it's tier c or whatever.Maybe my motherboard is not capable of 1800 IF.
 
Strange bird said:
Nothing from 3600MHz and IF 1800MHz, I had three short beep codes and I had bsod PAGE FAULT IN NONPAGED AREA.
I tried 3600MHz with latencies 26-26-26-26-58 but nothing, now it's at 3333MHz because it's the closest to IF of 1664MHz.
It's not top memory, it's tier c or whatever.Maybe my motherboard is not capable of 1800 IF.
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every time you post that youve adjusted ram speeds i never see that you actually increase the voltage to go with. woldorf is seeming to be right.... good luck, im out.
 
Now when the 3d ingame benchmark from rdr2 starts, the speaker starts popping and the screen just goes black.
That hasn't happened to me yet, I hope it's just a memory error, that she sit down wrong.
If it's not the memory, then it's the graphics card. In Windows, everything is fine, when it starts spinning the 3D ingame, only a black screen and shooting.
 
I managed to run the rdr2 ingame benchmark, but only with older nvidia drivers 555.85, I don't know what's going on, but it seems that the latest nvidia drivers are not good, at least for me.And the weirder thing is that they worked fine for a while.
I don't know if 555.99 is causing problems for you?
I already thought that my computer burned down, it's horrible what started to happen, you don't even know if it's a problem with a new power supply, a new graphics card,cpu,motherboard or memory???
I began to suspect that the monitor is also causing the problem. In game rdr2 benchmark i turned on the auto settings of the old nvidia drivers, g-sync enabled.
It seems that these latest nvidia drivers are causing me some kind of problem.It's really unbelievable and a disaster what they are doing.
 
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Waldorf Jr said:
infinity fabric aka bus connecting everything. this should be run at 1800 mhz and 1:1 setting for IF:mem clk (so ram runs 3600) for max throughput.
the drop going below that speed is nothing any oc will make up for, especially if looking at ram R/W.

do a aida64 memory&cache bench and compare.
with 1800:3600 it should do ~50 GB/s read, ~28 write, 46 GB copy.

pendragon1
unless i missed something:
G.skill FlareX 2x16gb (3800/1900 16-16-16-16-24-40 @1.43v)
so it should do 3600/[email protected]
that was skullangels kit, not from SB.
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I get ~45.5 read,26.5 write,44.8 copy @ 3333MHz

How long does it take to run aida64 extreme v7.30.6900 to check stability? When all items are included, from cpu to gpu.
 
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If anyone can help and has an idea how to fill the empty holes, maybe get something else out of the processor.
This is how it is currently filled, 3600MHz will not work for me in any way for IF off 1800MHz.(memory cannot be overclocked)

In short, I have asrock b450m steel legend, ryzen 5600x, 2x8gb patriot viper steel 3200MHz SK hynix and 2x8gb patriot viper steel 3200MHz Micron.
The memories are the "same", but basically they are not (SK Hynix and Micron SDRAM manufacturer), they also have slightly different timings.They were bought at a completely different time, hynix was bought first and later micron, and apparently these hynix were no longer available or had stopped being produced
They work for me on the basis of Adimm0 Adimm1 Adimm1 Bdim1(row0123).
Otherwise, there are many more such settings.I guess these are the most important ones.
 

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Tell me which memory would be good for me then, maybe I should replace it and then sell this old one, there is no point in having this.
Would this one be good? I can get it new for around 70 euros.
G.Skill RAM Ripjaws V - 32 GB (2 x 16 GB Kit) - DDR4 3600 DIMM CL19, F4-3600C19D-32GVRB
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/184/1536051266/F4-3600C19D-32GVRB
It is currently the cheapest kit I have, I don't know what the situation is in German webshops.

Or maybe this one?
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Corsair-...=411630031&s=computers&sr=1-2&ts_id=430178031
 
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