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With the number of other games that have had similar performance improvements, is it any surprise that NVidia makes up ground with every new driver release?

I'm just glad I don't have to listen to any more "I'm so glad I bought ATI and didn't jump on the D3 bandwagon."
 
Diseaseboy said:
Let the "I'm sure Nvidia is cheating again" flame wars begin.............
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I think a lot of the increase in performance with the newer drivers is down to NV enabling ATi-style optimizations by default. It's just levelling the playing field as far as I'm concerned.
 
I think it comes down to an aged tech base vs. a new one. ATi is still pimping the R300 (refreshed) for the most part while nVidia has new hardware. The R300 was and is awesome technology and the fact that cards based on this tech is only now just starting to get long in the tooth and is still competative speak volumes about it.

The problem is ATi isn't going to be able to squeeze much more out of it while nVidia has a foundational technology that should see many improvements via drivers, maturing manufacturing process, and core optimizations.

nVidia has the upperhand right now. ATi is going to have to come to the table with a fresh, new architecture to remain competative at the high end.
 
Nvidia and ATI are both offering excellent products. This benchmark just compounding this point. The pc enthusiast or gamer would never be able to tell the differece between which card was running in the computer, especially with the Ultra and XT PE. A few fps in not noticeable....
 
SocketA said:
Nvidia and ATI are both offering excellent products. This benchmark just compounding this point. The pc enthusiast or gamer would never be able to tell the differece between which card was running in the computer, especially with the Ultra and XT PE. A few fps in not noticeable....
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Try telling that to the crazy people who flip shit over 10 points in 3dmark...
 
indeed, it seems the same as the old Q3 arguments of "i get 130fps you get 120, you suck"
 
ehZn said:
Try telling that to the crazy people who flip shit over 10 points in 3dmark...
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The thing is, you are never going to get through to those people. It's like trying to explain quantum physics to a 3 yr old. They aren't capable of understanding.
 
Cool, do these drivers get rid of the shimmering? If not ATI is still in the lead imo.
 
Cali3350 said:
Cool, do these drivers get rid of the shimmering? If not ATI is still in the lead imo.
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I thought the shimmering issue was taken care of several drivers ago. I never had this described problem in either the 61s or 66s that I've used, but recall other people saying this.
 
I'm glad I went with the GT this time around. Normally go balls to the walls and get hte most expensive card because I think it will be "better". But the GT and the Ultra are pretty much on par with each other.
 
Elias said:
I thought the shimmering issue was taken care of several drivers ago. I never had this described problem in either the 61s or 66s that I've used, but recall other people saying this.
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Nope, still there. Especially evident in the walls in CS_Office that have shaders applied to them. Looks absolutely horrible.
 
[BB] Rick James said:
I'm glad I went with the GT this time around. Normally go balls to the walls and get hte most expensive card because I think it will be "better". But the GT and the Ultra are pretty much on par with each other.
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I second that opinion.

What is the [BB] for? best buy by any chance?
 
reading the rage fourms makes my head hurt...wow...nothing but morons over there.
oh well
i figured ati will start losing it with css. the nv68xx got one hell of some scalablity. :D

as it comes down to. ati needs to get there head outa there ass and start making some good cards. not some 2 year old crap..with hyped up mhz. :eek:
 
UltimateMan said:
I second that opinion.

What is the [BB] for? best buy by any chance?
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No it doesnt' stand for Best Buy. I used to be a part of this clan (which died out) called the Blood Brothers. I think this is the first time in the history of PC's that I have not bought the most expensive part I could at the time. It kind of feels good doing the research and knowing that the card I bought isn't the most expensive but it sure does keep up with it's older brother.
 
Well they used cat 4.9's, might have been a different story if cat 4.10 and the memory fix had been whql'd in time for them to use those in the test.
 
the memory fix was for memory allocation of vertex data, HL 2 doesn't use any where near the polygon/vertex amount of 128 mb ;)
 
Chris_B said:
Well they used cat 4.9's, might have been a different story if cat 4.10 and the memory fix had been whql'd in time for them to use those in the test.
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Well there are newer ForceWare drivers out there as well such as the 66.81.
 
Well this is with AI off, I guess ATi can't really even come close without shader optimizations in this game.
 
If you look at that Rage thread, surprisinly there's quite a bit of ATI criticism and doubts. Granted all of this is ridiculous since the cards are on par with each other.....
 
burningrave101 said:
Well there are newer ForceWare drivers out there as well such as the 66.81.
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Looks like the 66.72 and 66.70's pull ahead of 66.81 in 3dmark05 though.
 
Cali3350 said:
Nope, still there. Especially evident in the walls in CS_Office that have shaders applied to them. Looks absolutely horrible.
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It must be that I'm not playing the games that have this problem, despite 'owning' CS:S from an old ATI voucher...
 
ATI sucks.

I mean, clearly, NVIDIA owned ATI with a 2% difference.

TWO PERCENT! I hardly think its fair to say ATI was "pwned" because of a 2% difference in speed. Im rather positive that if you are playing a game on a computer that is 2% slower, you wont notice a difference at all.

Maybe on a geforce 2 with 32 megs of ram. But when people now are running these really powerful computers, 2% is jack. ATI was not pwned. ATI was beaten by a margin of 2%.

...and dont say pwned.
 
hfusion said:
ATI sucks.

I mean, clearly, NVIDIA owned ATI with a 2% difference.

TWO PERCENT! I hardly think its fair to say ATI was "pwned" because of a 2% difference in speed. Im rather positive that if you are playing a game on a computer that is 2% slower, you wont notice a difference at all.

Maybe on a geforce 2 with 32 megs of ram. But when people now are running these really powerful computers, 2% is jack. ATI was not pwned. ATI was beaten by a margin of 2%.

...and dont say pwned.
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They got pwnd because they need this engine has to perform extrememly better on thier cards which isn't happening, well goes to show ya 6 million bucks for Valve didn't go far enough
 
I'm not that surprised, I've been saying ati wouldn't blow them out since before doom3 came out, and I had a 9800 at the time. Who wants to speculate on if the small gap will widen in ati's favor when hl2 comes out?
 
I really think the title of the news post should be changed. To me "pwn," means something more then a 2-6 frames per second lead--PWND is like Monster Kill in Unreal Tournament. I didn't expect this from [H]. Actually this is the LAST thing I expect from [H].
 
hfusion said:
ATI sucks.

I mean, clearly, NVIDIA owned ATI with a 2% difference.

TWO PERCENT! I hardly think its fair to say ATI was "pwned" because of a 2% difference in speed. Im rather positive that if you are playing a game on a computer that is 2% slower, you wont notice a difference at all.

Maybe on a geforce 2 with 32 megs of ram. But when people now are running these really powerful computers, 2% is jack. ATI was not pwned. ATI was beaten by a margin of 2%.

...and dont say pwned.
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They got PWNED because ATI should have at least a 5-10% lead in CS:S because of the engine its built on and the fact ATI has spent millions of dollars investing on marketing their cards with Half Life 2. Not to mention all the FUD ATI and Valve have spread about ATI hardware running the HL2 engine better then anyone else.

What do you think people would of said if DOOM 3 had released and ATI had a 2% lead on nVidia? lol
 
We are just laughing at Vavle's 30-40% difference between nV and ATi cards :D
 
psikoticsilver said:
I really think the title of the news post should be changed. To me "pwn," means something more then a 2-6 frames per second lead--PWND is like Monster Kill in Unreal Tournament. I didn't expect this from [H]. Actually this is the LAST thing I expect from [H].
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Oh whatever dude lol, you just dont like it because of the simple fact its nVidia and not ATI. If it had been D3 and the news post said ATI PWNED nVidia by 2% then it would be hilarious.
 
rancor said:
We are just laughing at Vavle's 30-40% difference between nV and ATi cards :D
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Have they even said that since the new generation of cards hit? last i heard valve stating that was when the 9800 series was royally ass raping the fx line.
 
So now the question that needs to be asked is: "Is the 6800U/GT the card of choice for hardcore CS people?"
 
Dosomo said:
The thing is, you are never going to get through to those people. It's like trying to explain quantum physics to a 3 yr old. They aren't capable of understanding.
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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.....I represent those "3DMark shit flippers" around here, and I took your ignorant comment as an insult. Please do not speak down of things you can't possibly understand. It's a hobby, nothing more.....and some people just can't seem to realise that.

On an on-topic note.....it is nice to see the tables turning in the second of two blockbuster titles this year, while the numbers may still change along the way, kudos for Nvidia for not lying down and letting ATI "have" HL2 just 'cus they had already stolen D3. ;) :cool:
 
Chris_B said:
Have they even said that since the new generation of cards hit? last i heard valve stating that was when the 9800 series was royally ass raping the fx line.
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Yes they did LOL, just before the VST was released, thats where the 30% came from, 40% was last year's things ;)
 
Chris_B said:
Have they even said that since the new generation of cards hit? last i heard valve stating that was when the 9800 series was royally ass raping the fx line.
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Yes, yes they have. In fact Doug Lombardi stated on IGN not too long ago that the X800 series was the preferred card among HL2 testers because of somewhere around a 30% performance improvement over the Geforce 6 line.
 
thrawn42 said:
So now the question that needs to be asked is: "Is the 6800U/GT the card of choice for hardcore CS people?"
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It is for this player............66.81 run flawlessly
 
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