Fired Toyota Coder Trashes Systems, Steals Data

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Hell hath no fury like a coder scorned, or something to that effect. Toyota is attempting to access the damage done by an ex-contract coder after he was fired from his contract. After the coder was fired, he logged back into Toyota’s systems and spent six hours sabotaging Toyota’s systems and stealing sensitive information.

Shahulhameed allegedly accessed Toyotasupplier.com, a web portal where Toyota and its suppliers exchange information about upcoming vehicle projects. Although Toyota hasn't said what data it believes he may have stolen, it could include pricing, parts specifications, quality testing, or design information.
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Yikes! Not only did he lose his job, he's also going to face charges and, if proven guilty, maybe spend some time in the slammo. :( Sure the company should have kept track of his accounts and locked him out as soon as they had him fired, but still...yuck.

The article says he was going to fly back to Indiana too. I wonder if he knows that Harrison Ford is just an actor playing that role and that the character isn't real.
 
Sounds like an update of their network security policy is in order.
 
Yeah and your assuming that you can keep a skilled coder out of systems when he has physical access, good luck with that.
 
I never understood why people did this shit. That's like being fired from a Bank, then robbing the place the next fuckin' day.

"YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE MY VOICE, I HAVE A MASK ON."

Dumbass deserves every bit of jail time he gets.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Sure the company should have kept track of his accounts and locked him out as soon as they had him fired, but still...yuck.
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This is why a lot of companies will on your last day (whether you're contract, got fired, or resigned) will often have security process you to take any keys/keycards you might have, escort you out the door, and none of it is personal but they're doing it to protect their ass.

Toyota = stupid for doing this. The assuming they knew he was going to be fired the process of shutting him down should have been done.
 
Looks like he will end up spending some time in a federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison.
 
thefordmccord said:
Looks like he will end up spending some time in a federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison.
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Why do I keep having to tell you people over and over again that intercourse in prison isn't always unwilling and doesn't always involve that particular orifice? Do you just not get it that when you're in jail and you know you're going to be stuck there for 10 to 20 years that you start forming meaningful friendships? What if those friendships blossom into something more and you have no other way to show it to your cellmate than by playfully ambushing them in the community shower when their soap slips to the floor?

The unique and special bond formed between two convicted people is something that no one outside of a jail respects or understands. This society-wide ignorance and willful desire to disregard the love and mutual respect two caring, violent offenders sickens me. The next time you're arrested for a felony and end up in the pen, you'll be signing a different tune (probably several octaves higher even). Anyway, until you've grabbed someone by his hair and held his head in your cell's sink or toilet while you show your undying affections or until you've been the one in the toilet, just don't talk to me. :mad:
 
sfsuphysics said:
This is why a lot of companies will on your last day (whether you're contract, got fired, or resigned) will often have security process you to take any keys/keycards you might have, escort you out the door, and none of it is personal but they're doing it to protect their ass.

Toyota = stupid for doing this. The assuming they knew he was going to be fired the process of shutting him down should have been done.
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Yup, they probably have a process and just failed to execute it properly though. Sometimes, subcontractors are fired by the sub and the hiring company isn't properly notified so that accounts are deleted or disabled and whatnot too. Any number of things could have gone wrong, but the bottom line is that an outgoing employee really wrecks their chances at a future when they do stuff like this. :(
 
A native of India, Shahulhameed had told his Toyota bosses that he planned to return there after losing his contract work.
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Even sounds like he wasn't fired, but his contract may have simply been up. Because I'm not a tenured professor technically speaking I'm jobless every summer and winter break because my contract is up at that time.. so luckily I can collect unemployment mwuahahaha
 
Melon said:
1860 called, they want their ignorance back. :rolleyes:
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The H1B program serves no other purpose than to dump a specific set of skills in the marketplace to drive down wages in those areas.

I don't begrudge the employees seeking a work opportunity. But the people who push these programs can bite me.
 
Melon said:
1860 called, they want their ignorance back. :rolleyes:
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I'm gonna assume that you don't work in the IT field. H1b's cost a lot of my friends their jobs. Companies bring in folks out of country to do the job for half the cost, the irony that this guy was released and probably replaced with someone cheaper make me laugh.
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
He's going to spend a LOT of time in the slammo.
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Probably so, but you know how courts and the law can muddle things or interpert circumstances. There might be some really off-the-wall, legitimate reason why this happened and Toyota could just be throwing him under the proverbial bus to cover up something else. Yeah, it's not likely, but you never can tell until trial is underway.
 
doho7744 said:
I'm gonna assume that you don't work in the IT field. H1b's cost a lot of my friends their jobs. Companies bring in folks out of country to do the job for half the cost, the irony that this guy was released and probably replaced with someone cheaper make me laugh.
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They have every right to work as your friends do, especially in such a saturated career field.
 
doho7744 said:
I'm gonna assume that you don't work in the IT field. H1b's cost a lot of my friends their jobs. Companies bring in folks out of country to do the job for half the cost, the irony that this guy was released and probably replaced with someone cheaper make me laugh.
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I have a number of friends that are here on H-1Bs in the IT field - they are also among the best the world at what they do.

But the truth is that if your friends were replaced with people that are paid half as much, your friends were being massively over paid. People here on an H-1B still have minimum wage and all that, and as they are living here legally they have all the same living expenses and taxes - they may end up paying *more* in taxes as their home country may decide to double dip on their income (as in, the US govt collects income tax *and* their home country collects income tax when/if they take that money back home).

Alternatively your friends lied to save face, and were instead fired for unrelated reasons and/or replaced by people that are better at the job.
 
sfsuphysics said:
This is why a lot of companies will on your last day (whether you're contract, got fired, or resigned) will often have security process you to take any keys/keycards you might have, escort you out the door, and none of it is personal but they're doing it to protect their ass.

Toyota = stupid for doing this. The assuming they knew he was going to be fired the process of shutting him down should have been done.
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toyotasupplier.com is an externally facing site with potentially different logins/access.
 
kllrnohj said:
I have a number of friends that are here on H-1Bs in the IT field - they are also among the best the world at what they do.

But the truth is that if your friends were replaced with people that are paid half as much, your friends were being massively over paid. People here on an H-1B still have minimum wage and all that, and as they are living here legally they have all the same living expenses and taxes - they may end up paying *more* in taxes as their home country may decide to double dip on their income (as in, the US govt collects income tax *and* their home country collects income tax when/if they take that money back home).

Alternatively your friends lied to save face, and were instead fired for unrelated reasons and/or replaced by people that are better at the job.
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Minimum wage in America probably beats the hell out of what they'd make in their own country.

Those visa's exist only for the purpose of being able to pay a lower salary so that those at the top can rake in more loot.

Your friends may be among the best at what they do, but I find it hard to believe that there's no one else in America who can do the job just as well or better. The only x-factor here is the pay. If a company wants to bring someone in on an H-1B, then they should have to prove that there are no US citizens who can do the job.
 
Melon said:
I never understood why people did this shit. That's like being fired from a Bank, then robbing the place the next fuckin' day.

"YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE MY VOICE, I HAVE A MASK ON."

Dumbass deserves every bit of jail time he gets.
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THIS!!!
 
SkribbelKat said:
Why do I keep having to tell you people over and over again that intercourse in prison isn't always unwilling and doesn't always involve that particular orifice? Do you just not get it that when you're in jail and you know you're going to be stuck there for 10 to 20 years that you start forming meaningful friendships? What if those friendships blossom into something more and you have no other way to show it to your cellmate than by playfully ambushing them in the community shower when their soap slips to the floor?

The unique and special bond formed between two convicted people is something that no one outside of a jail respects or understands. This society-wide ignorance and willful desire to disregard the love and mutual respect two caring, violent offenders sickens me. The next time you're arrested for a felony and end up in the pen, you'll be signing a different tune (probably several octaves higher even). Anyway, until you've grabbed someone by his hair and held his head in your cell's sink or toilet while you show your undying affections or until you've been the one in the toilet, just don't talk to me. :mad:
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How did I know that, after just one line in, it was you writing this? How do you come up with this?
 
kllrnohj said:
I have a number of friends that are here on H-1Bs in the IT field - they are also among the best the world at what they do.

But the truth is that if your friends were replaced with people that are paid half as much, your friends were being massively over paid. People here on an H-1B still have minimum wage and all that, and as they are living here legally they have all the same living expenses and taxes - they may end up paying *more* in taxes as their home country may decide to double dip on their income (as in, the US govt collects income tax *and* their home country collects income tax when/if they take that money back home).

Alternatively your friends lied to save face, and were instead fired for unrelated reasons and/or replaced by people that are better at the job.
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Or maybe you don't know what you're talking about (likely) and you are talking out of your ass (extremely likely).

Since its been demonstrated time and again that businesses will replace people to save on salary.
 
Melon said:
They have every right to work as your friends do, especially in such a saturated career field.
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You are 100% correct and companies have every right to outsource jobs. They have every right to get rid of full time positions and replace with part-time and contract employees.

Of course when companies go out of business because no one has a job and can afford their services I have every right to shake my head at their stupidity and short sightedness.
 
Cobalt35 said:
Security pro tip: Lock someone out of the system BEFORE you fire them.
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haha what i came here to say, should have disabled his account/access to system. than again it's not like he was not going to find his way back in if he wanted to.

i don't see though why he was fired and was his contract over or was he fired while there was still time left?
 
kllrnohj said:
I have a number of friends that are here on H-1Bs in the IT field - they are also among the best the world at what they do.

But the truth is that if your friends were replaced with people that are paid half as much, your friends were being massively over paid. People here on an H-1B still have minimum wage and all that, and as they are living here legally they have all the same living expenses and taxes - they may end up paying *more* in taxes as their home country may decide to double dip on their income (as in, the US govt collects income tax *and* their home country collects income tax when/if they take that money back home).

Alternatively your friends lied to save face, and were instead fired for unrelated reasons and/or replaced by people that are better at the job.
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yes clearly we should pay programmers with college degrees and such minimum wage :rolleyes:

company I was at before used H1B's and didn't pay them crap, and they had a team of H1B's for what one coder would have cost...
 
doho7744 said:
I'm gonna assume that you don't work in the IT field. H1b's cost a lot of my friends their jobs. Companies bring in folks out of country to do the job for half the cost, the irony that this guy was released and probably replaced with someone cheaper make me laugh.
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I hear that.. Out-Sourcing is BS.
 
Well if we assume that this guy did what he is accused of, why exactly would anyone think he would stay and face prison as opposed to flying back home to India, especially considering the insanely low bond?
 
kllrnohj said:
I have a number of friends that are here on H-1Bs in the IT field - they are also among the best the world at what they do.

But the truth is that if your friends were replaced with people that are paid half as much, your friends were being massively over paid. People here on an H-1B still have minimum wage and all that, and as they are living here legally they have all the same living expenses and taxes - they may end up paying *more* in taxes as their home country may decide to double dip on their income (as in, the US govt collects income tax *and* their home country collects income tax when/if they take that money back home).

Alternatively your friends lied to save face, and were instead fired for unrelated reasons and/or replaced by people that are better at the job.
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H-1Bs are a way for companies to basically hire indentured services at low low prices at the expense of both American jobs and the dignity and humanity of those they bring over.

Officially, H-1Bs are only supposed to be used when a company cannot find an American with the requisite skills to take the job. Unofficially, corporations will basically make up impossible job requirements (such as "this job requires 10 years of experience with Windows 8") and then claim that they can't find any American with the required skills.
 
damicatz said:
Unofficially, corporations will basically make up impossible job requirements (such as "this job requires 10 years of experience with Windows 8") and then claim that they can't find any American with the required skills.
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What about Heatlesssun? :p
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
Minimum wage in America probably beats the hell out of what they'd make in their own country.

Those visa's exist only for the purpose of being able to pay a lower salary so that those at the top can rake in more loot.

Your friends may be among the best at what they do, but I find it hard to believe that there's no one else in America who can do the job just as well or better. The only x-factor here is the pay. If a company wants to bring someone in on an H-1B, then they should have to prove that there are no US citizens who can do the job.
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Lot's of mis-information here in the posts about H-1B's. I personally am against them, BUT, I must defend them here on one point. There are processes in place (by the govt) that ensure that H-1B's are paid a comparable salary to what a U.S. Citizen would make in that same position. This is highly regulated, otherwise every programmer would already be outsourced, companies would LOVE to reduce overhead. Their pay may be a tad lower (5-10%) but it's definitely in-line with what a U.S. worker would make...you know...so they aren't slaves and so corps don't abuse the system.

After all of that, I DO feel they take away U.S. citizen opportunities.
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
Minimum wage in America probably beats the hell out of what they'd make in their own country.

Those visa's exist only for the purpose of being able to pay a lower salary so that those at the top can rake in more loot.

Your friends may be among the best at what they do, but I find it hard to believe that there's no one else in America who can do the job just as well or better. The only x-factor here is the pay. If a company wants to bring someone in on an H-1B, then they should have to prove that there are no US citizens who can do the job.
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My wife had an H1B when I met her. She worked the same job as me making over 100K a year, so go ahead a generalize more?
 
damicatz said:
Unofficially, corporations will basically make up impossible job requirements (such as "this job requires 10 years of experience with Windows 8") and then claim that they can't find any American with the required skills.
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Fuck that requirement lol. I put on my resume "Over 15 years of Windows computer experience." since the IT job was asking 10 and I was only 19 (technically true since I got my first computer when I was 4), still got the job somehow.
 
NickJames said:
Fuck that requirement lol. I put on my resume "Over 15 years of Windows computer experience." since the IT job was asking 10 and I was only 19 (technically true since I got my first computer when I was 4), still got the job somehow.
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because people dont look at that stuff. I hire a good bit at work, we dont actually read any of that. All we look at is work experience to see if you have worked on what we need, whether you have lots of the experience or not. We just use those requirements to filter people out who dont even bother applying.
 
Cali3350 said:
because people dont look at that stuff. I hire a good bit at work, we dont actually read any of that. All we look at is work experience to see if you have worked on what we need, whether you have lots of the experience or not. We just use those requirements to filter people out who dont even bother applying.
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I basically put in a bunch of BS side jobs I did but luckily I techy talked my way into the job, turns out I know more than 90% of the people already working here. Then again everyone is like 50 and just don't care to learn new things.
 
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