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Finally getting errors with my SSD

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BlackThought

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After i install it twice today (got BSOD first time and had to install again) ,so the second time i install my OS, i get everything updated and its going good,then i get pop ups saying explorer.exe quit responding, had an option to close it or check for solution and restart.

The error said "InPageError" i googled and all results said its a HDD issue. I unplugged them all one by one (i have 3 other internal HDDs) , down to my SSD and im :( , restart and yep its still doing it. Ran chkdsk from Active Boot Disk and it found errors, and fixed it, rebooted and the errors stopped. Ran a surface scan with Easeus Partition Manager and it said i have 2 bad sectors

Should i RMA this or is 2 sectors not so bad?

Thanks in advance for help.


The last few lines of the error report from Active if it helps

Free space verification is complete.
Adding 14 bad clusters to the Bad Clusters File.
Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap.
Windows has made corrections to the file system.
62413823 KB total disk space.
31119288 KB in 104027 files.
80864 KB in 22897 indexes.
56 KB in bad sectors.
249131 KB in use by the system.
65536 KB occupied by the log file.
30964484 KB available on disk.
4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
15603455 total allocation units on disk.
7741121 allocation units available on disk.
Failed to transfer logged messages to the event log with status 50.
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SSD's do use the term bad sectors but it arises from NAND memory going bad. Commonly the firmware will adapt its reserved memory to replace it. However if it is continuing to occur then I would RMA.

Per chance it is a Crucial SSD (related to AQ_OC's question) then they do need a firmware update at some point where continual BSOD can occur after a fix amount of use.
 
Sorry for not mentioning it, yes its a Crucial

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Will update my firmware to see if that solves it
 
Ummm, BlackThought I think you should post some SMART data. It's very common for blocks to be replaced, but they shouldn't cause errors. The drive has a couple GB depending on size just for spare area and replacement blocks. Unfortunately the manufacturers all use varying metrics and don't always name them right.

It shouldn't show errors. I remember you have some questions about your AV writing a lot to your drive a few months back. It could be completely unrelated, but post some SMART data (in dec not hex with Crystal Disk Info or another program).
 
Yeah that drove me crazy, even tried a new install and tried to go into "audit mode" to set my system to use other internal HDDs for writing, but it didnt work.

Anyhow, here is that SMART data

There were 3 diff settings so i chose this one

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That's the right setting. Your drive has only used 124 PE cycles... not much really. But... it's had some problems with reallocations. See the attributes AA and AB? Grown Failing Block count and Program Fail Count? It looks bad at first, but it really isn't. You're drive's "health" is rated at 96% too... it's a mostly meaningless statistic, but I think you should keep an eye on the heath and bad block stats. If the drive starts getting lots of bad blocks every day, something is wrong.

124 PE cycles could mean there is as much as 7+TB of host writes. But in reality, it's probably just more small writes in which write amplification can be quite high, thus consuming more PE cycles. 7TB is not a whole lot for any drive after one year in use on a desktop, but that would average out to ~20GB a day for 365 days.

C4 "reallocation event count" is the same as AA "Grown Failing Block Count". And the drive came with 66 bad blocks from the factory (again, that's totally normal). I would submit that your drive is being used in an environment where there is a lot of write amplification, perhaps the same program or setting that was the source of your previous problems.

I've seen a C300 in which every block went bad in just a few hundred hours, which is impossible to do. I would remember seeing the last screen shots of your drive (from a few months ago) if it had the kind of numbers you have today.

Take a smart data screen shot every day, and if you keep getting bad blocks, something is amiss. Right now everything is still fine, and if the bad block attributes' current values go below the threshold value, back your drive up immediately.

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Actually, you should back up your drive now. I'd be willing to bet that "reported uncorrectable errors" and the bad block attributes will be higher 24hrs from now. I had to think about it for a minute, and go back and look at some Crucial smart data from a couple of M4 64's with hundreds of TB of writes... and they look better than yours. I think something happened, perhaps one die is going bad or something, but if it holds steady, there is hope. If it gets worse everyday, I think the drive is failing prematurely, perhaps due to a NAND defect.
 
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Thanks for the info man, ill take snap shots every day (the days i remember atleast:D)

Luckily if it does fail im in warranty till 2015
 
Warranties are good.

I have a brand new a brand-new Vertex Turbo that's under warranty until 2015. That's going to be hilarious.

Post some of the smart pics up here and lets see what happens.
 
Non 4k aligned access is huge! How did you create the partition? and what OS? (not that it pertains to the issue at hand) Because you could have a definite speed issue if your partition isn't 4k aligned.
 
Windows did it.

Deleted the partitions on the drive and it was only unallocated space, then i just installed.

I thought the OS was supposed to align it for me, thats why i let it create the partition?
 
Windows 7 is supposed to align it for you. Just for piece of mind, you might also want to replace you Sata cable. A bad SATA cable can make a drive look bad and cause all kinds of odd problems that are hard to diagnose.
 
Hmm. it doesn't look like the drive did much reading or writing in the 12 hours or so it was on since the last picture. That's good at least, but I figured your system would be writing a substantial amount every day. The PE cycle count is still the same, so I'd guess only a few GB have been written.
 
They're old, so im not surprised theyre going bad.

Gotta ship off a WD drive tomorro.

Is there anything that could cause my HDDs to be in unison?
 
The cautions on those HDDs are due to temperature. An iffy power supply probably wouldn't cause those kinds of problems -- it's more likely that one day your stuff just wakes up dead.

I'd like to see the M4's behavior after the PE cycles increase by a couple.
 
jwcalla said:
Temps should be fine... That's reported in F so about 31C.
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You are correct. I didn't even look again, but the only mechanical storage I use anymore is external and it's always getting flagged as caution from temps.

Anyway, the M4 wouldn't have a problem with heat, and while I've seen M4 64s with hundreds of TB in writes, I've not seen any with these ugly SMART shots -- even if they're totally within operating parameters.

For example, the M4's "life" attribute will go to zero, then back to 100 several times over it's life. But the drive is really still barely used, even with the maximum interpretation of PE cycle use (up to 7TB). That's nothing, even on a 25nm NAND equipped 64GB model.

Here is an M4 with 323TiB of writes on it (since Dec 4):
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This drive has 1200 power on hours, or exactly 50 days. Notice that it's exceeded the PE count (all PE counts are conservative due to the nature of how they're determined).

BlackThought's drive isn't even broken in yet, but it's got several indications that something is going on.
 
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Sorry guys been busy, found out i had a vundo problem, so i formatted, hopefully it didnt make things worse

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PC stopped booting for some reason this morning. I was installing apps trying to make a fresh backup (which ive been trying to do for two weeks but keep on restarting :p )

So i unplugged all my drives except two, and had to manually choose boot from my M4 drive, ran scans and this showed up



So i take it nows the time to RMA?
 
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