Stellar
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burningrave101 said:
When will we let go of this hideously flawed logic?
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When will we let go of this hideously flawed logic?
burningrave101
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Stellar said:
How is it hideously flawed? The new cards are right around the corner and are suppost to be much faster then current generation cards. Why waste a ton of money on dual 6800GT's or 6800 Ultra's now?
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qft, it's A+ logic.burningrave101 said:
new flagship products come out w/ bunch of hype, older products' prices decrease to make way for more space for the new products--at that point, it becomes more about volume than profit (w/ regards to the old product).
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burningrave101 said:
The are not right around the corner and you know it so stop acting like they are. The G70 isn't even announced yet, and the R520 is not going to be announced at Computex. Neither is near RTM so don't expect any new cards in the retail channel for the next few months at the least. Even then I don't recommend buying into the first round of cards. They will be price gouged and on buggy PCBs, everybody knows this.
What then is this guy supposed to do for the next 2-4 months while he waits for the "next best thing"? Lurk forums all day listening to people like you talk up the next-gen shit instead of playing games? It's not like the current high-end cards won't pull a decent resale after only a few months of use if he's so itching to upgrade at that point.
I actually just got a top spec XPS gen4 and I'm kinda happy with it... although the X850Xt-PE may be a bit overkill for a comp dedicated to audio recording.
To all dell-haters posting here: All parts in current dells are interchangeable and upgradeable, only drawback is you can't overclock the CPU (warranty issues probably).
To all dell-haters posting here: All parts in current dells are interchangeable and upgradeable, only drawback is you can't overclock the CPU (warranty issues probably).
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Stellar said:
I didn't tell him not to buy a video card and wait for the new cards. I said for him to buy a reasonably priced card like a single X800XL or 6800GT. Both cards are more then powerful enough to power any current game at descent frame rates and then he'll have more money to spend on a next gen part when they release in the next few months. It just doesn't make sense to spend $600-700 on dual 6800GT's now.
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Stellar posted a great system. Get that if you're confused. It's good, trust us. If something screws up, it's not because that brand sucks, it'll almost certainly be because of bad luck or installation issues.
It'll also overclock well. Sure, you might "not be overclocking," but in 2 years when you're games start getting choppy, a good oc can tide you over until you can upgrade again.
"Dell sux"
qft
Random Advice since you're confused:
Even with bulk discounts on parts, pre-built comps are almost always more expensive than do it yourself ones, and they aren't tailored to what you'd like.
Get AMD if you play games, unless you need an intel for your job.
It'll also overclock well. Sure, you might "not be overclocking," but in 2 years when you're games start getting choppy, a good oc can tide you over until you can upgrade again.
"Dell sux"
qft
Random Advice since you're confused:
Even with bulk discounts on parts, pre-built comps are almost always more expensive than do it yourself ones, and they aren't tailored to what you'd like.
Get AMD if you play games, unless you need an intel for your job.
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Oh, just saw the "460w" psu in your 3rd choice. Can you give any info on it?
I just came across this. Is this worth it?
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System Price $2,454.00
Promotion Discount ($300.00)
FINAL Discounted Price $2,154.00 - thats how much it would all cost os final total.
Dell recommends Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Dimension XPS Generation 4 Desktop: Pentium 4 Processor w/ HT Tech Extreme Edition (3.40GHz, 800 FSB)
Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Memory: 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 533MHz (4 DIMMs)
Floppy Drive: 1.44 MB Floppy Disk Drive
Hard Disk Drive: 160 GB EIDE SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
160 GB EIDE SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
Video: 256MB PCI Express x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon X850 XT PE
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS (D) Card w/Dolby 5.1, IEEE 1394 capability
DVD Drive: 16X DVD ROM Drive
16x DVD +/- RW w/dbl layer write capability
Software: Software
AOL 9.0 ISP Software
ISP Software
ISP Software
Earthlink ISP Software
Net Zero ISP
Earthlink ISP Software
AOL 8.0 ISP Software
McAfee Virus Scan - 90-day Trial
Music Match Software
Resource CD
Software CD
AOL 9.0 ISP Software
Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Reader
H and R Block Promotional Software
Image Restore Software
Windows Media Player
Record Now! Deluxe Software
Paint Shop Pro Studio Trial
Power DVD Software
Photo Album 5.1 Standard
WordPerfect Productivity Suite 12.0
Software CD
Misc: Documentation
AOL Sofware Documentation
No Modem Option
Shipping Material
Remote Control for Media Center
Logitec 2-button Scroll Mouse
QuietKey Keyboard
RAID Cable
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System Price $2,454.00
Promotion Discount ($300.00)
FINAL Discounted Price $2,154.00 - thats how much it would all cost os final total.
Dell recommends Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
Dimension XPS Generation 4 Desktop: Pentium 4 Processor w/ HT Tech Extreme Edition (3.40GHz, 800 FSB)
Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Memory: 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 533MHz (4 DIMMs)
Floppy Drive: 1.44 MB Floppy Disk Drive
Hard Disk Drive: 160 GB EIDE SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
160 GB EIDE SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
Video: 256MB PCI Express x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon X850 XT PE
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS (D) Card w/Dolby 5.1, IEEE 1394 capability
DVD Drive: 16X DVD ROM Drive
16x DVD +/- RW w/dbl layer write capability
Software: Software
AOL 9.0 ISP Software
ISP Software
ISP Software
Earthlink ISP Software
Net Zero ISP
Earthlink ISP Software
AOL 8.0 ISP Software
McAfee Virus Scan - 90-day Trial
Music Match Software
Resource CD
Software CD
AOL 9.0 ISP Software
Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Reader
H and R Block Promotional Software
Image Restore Software
Windows Media Player
Record Now! Deluxe Software
Paint Shop Pro Studio Trial
Power DVD Software
Photo Album 5.1 Standard
WordPerfect Productivity Suite 12.0
Software CD
Misc: Documentation
AOL Sofware Documentation
No Modem Option
Shipping Material
Remote Control for Media Center
Logitec 2-button Scroll Mouse
QuietKey Keyboard
RAID Cable
Eh... no. Please, trust us, you DO NOT want to buy a Dell PC. You'll be stuck with their proprietary case, motherboard and PSU. Trust me, I own one (see my sig), it's a complete POS. The price may be good, very good even, but it's not worth it in the long run.
Scenario: sooner or later you'd want to upgrade the motherboard. Uh, oh. The case won't accept a standard ATX motherboard, so you'll have to buy a new case.
The PSU is proprietary, so if you get a new motherboard and stay with the same PSU, you'll either blow up the PSU, the new motherboard itself, or both!
Worse than that, the BIOS is locked. There's no fine-tweaking RAM latencies if the motherboard happens to recognize the wrong SPD of your new higher capacity RAM (this happened to myself with Low-Latency Corsair RAM, so unfortunately they had to be sold).
There are so many other things I can point out that's just wrong with Dell PC's that I'm not even going to bother mentioning them. It's up to you though, if you're never, ever going to upgrade the PC, then *maybe* you can buy one if price really is an issue. But I'd stay far away from it if I were you.
Scenario: sooner or later you'd want to upgrade the motherboard. Uh, oh. The case won't accept a standard ATX motherboard, so you'll have to buy a new case.
The PSU is proprietary, so if you get a new motherboard and stay with the same PSU, you'll either blow up the PSU, the new motherboard itself, or both!
Worse than that, the BIOS is locked. There's no fine-tweaking RAM latencies if the motherboard happens to recognize the wrong SPD of your new higher capacity RAM (this happened to myself with Low-Latency Corsair RAM, so unfortunately they had to be sold).
There are so many other things I can point out that's just wrong with Dell PC's that I'm not even going to bother mentioning them. It's up to you though, if you're never, ever going to upgrade the PC, then *maybe* you can buy one if price really is an issue. But I'd stay far away from it if I were you.
Well I also happen to be the owner of a Dimension 8300, which has been running ultra-stable for almost two years now... unlike some of my friends' self-assembled comps, which tend to shut down or reboot in the middle of recording sessions etc
If you value time and stability over building/overclocking/BIOS tweaking, have no second thoughts about getting a Dell, especially w discounts. And who the hell upgrades the motherboard and keeps the old case anyway? Teenagers with too much time on their hands probably... grown-ups buy new comps when they need it.
Regarding the 460W power supply in XPS: It's mounted in a separate compartment w/ two fans in the bottom of the case, probably the most proprietary of all Dell parts
If you value time and stability over building/overclocking/BIOS tweaking, have no second thoughts about getting a Dell, especially w discounts. And who the hell upgrades the motherboard and keeps the old case anyway? Teenagers with too much time on their hands probably... grown-ups buy new comps when they need it.
Regarding the 460W power supply in XPS: It's mounted in a separate compartment w/ two fans in the bottom of the case, probably the most proprietary of all Dell parts
wow im reading about some abspc reviews. they don't look that good...hmm
This was my 6th PC. I followed magazine reviews on this Co. for 1 year because their product was always rated high, but there was little or nothing regarding service & support. Finally, a review came out that bothe had been greatly improved. So because GW was in difficulty, I took a chance on ABS high end machine. From they day it came out of the box, it's been a horror. The installed apps were in Spanish and very old. There was left over installation folders on the Root directory that nobody knew what they were, but said to delete them. The Product Key pasted on the PC is not the correct one, 5 seperate apps give me a different key but they insist that theirs is correct and I couldn't Activate the system. The told me to reformat and reinstall and all would be fine, ABS systems don't require activation. I was advised to buy a second HD and re-install to that so I wouldn't lose my data, but they couldn't provide any jumper settings or which drives in my system were primary or slave. They told me never to upgrade the drivers until they test them, but I bought the system so that the hardware would be out of the box, not modified for ABS. I paid for 4 years of Tech support that ABs hires. the phone stacking system automatically disconnects you after 2 "Please Hold" recordings. Their support tech told me that what I was reading to him from my computer, could not be correct, I must not be reading it correctly.
A little more and I am going to small claims court as this has been down more than up. The software and hardware's origin is suspect by the lack of answers supplied.
I will probably spend another $2,000 plus as soon as I can get something running and buy a system elsewhere and use the "High-End" ABS as a file server for back-up or a boat anchor.
This review is on a Win98 SE 4 yr old GW.
Mike Mc
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1431-p2-s2-d1.html
Should i buy from ABS??
Mod Edit: The two threads on this topic are now merged.
This was my 6th PC. I followed magazine reviews on this Co. for 1 year because their product was always rated high, but there was little or nothing regarding service & support. Finally, a review came out that bothe had been greatly improved. So because GW was in difficulty, I took a chance on ABS high end machine. From they day it came out of the box, it's been a horror. The installed apps were in Spanish and very old. There was left over installation folders on the Root directory that nobody knew what they were, but said to delete them. The Product Key pasted on the PC is not the correct one, 5 seperate apps give me a different key but they insist that theirs is correct and I couldn't Activate the system. The told me to reformat and reinstall and all would be fine, ABS systems don't require activation. I was advised to buy a second HD and re-install to that so I wouldn't lose my data, but they couldn't provide any jumper settings or which drives in my system were primary or slave. They told me never to upgrade the drivers until they test them, but I bought the system so that the hardware would be out of the box, not modified for ABS. I paid for 4 years of Tech support that ABs hires. the phone stacking system automatically disconnects you after 2 "Please Hold" recordings. Their support tech told me that what I was reading to him from my computer, could not be correct, I must not be reading it correctly.
A little more and I am going to small claims court as this has been down more than up. The software and hardware's origin is suspect by the lack of answers supplied.
I will probably spend another $2,000 plus as soon as I can get something running and buy a system elsewhere and use the "High-End" ABS as a file server for back-up or a boat anchor.
This review is on a Win98 SE 4 yr old GW.
Mike Mc
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1431-p2-s2-d1.html
Should i buy from ABS??
Mod Edit: The two threads on this topic are now merged.