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Final Decision!

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r3g

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ok so i got a new 22" Widescreen VewSonic the other day, we all know my 7600GT isnt strong enough to run at 1680x1050 so im on the hunt for a new card.ive narrowed my search for a new GPU down to these 2. (keep in mind i will be upgrading my whole system after)



SAPPHIRE Radeon X1900XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 CrossFire Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102051

&

GIGABYTE GV-NX79T256DP-RH-ED Geforce 7900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125038



BOTH FOR $249.99



Now, ive been doing some reading and it would it seems like the 1900XT has 2 advantages over the 79GT

1) its slightly faster (at stock clocks)
2) it can be overclocked to XTX speeds.

if this is the case, then it seems like the XT would be the way to go hands down. they cost the same after all. but before i order it i want some feedback from you guys so im sure that im making the right choice. =)
 
I actually traded my BFG OC 7900GT for a X1900XT, and OC'ed it to XTX speeds. That sapphire card is basically a 256mb XTX for much less.
 
thx for that.. now im very mindful that my CPU and PSU are going to be a huge bottleneck but do you think ill still be able to play my games on high settings? im talkin HL2, Fear, Prey etc. my 7600GT could do it at 1024x768
 
r3g said:
thx for that.. now im very mindful that my CPU and PSU are going to be a huge bottleneck but do you think ill still be able to play my games on high settings? im talkin HL2, Fear, Prey etc. my 7600GT could do it at 1024x768
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Your A64 3200+ a bottleneck? Only recent gen game I've come across that seems to be CPU limited is Rome: TW, you wont have to worry about your CPU bottlenecking for some time now. Haven't looked up the specs on your PSU, but I'm assuming by brand and wattage, that it'd be fine as well.
 
I would go for the x1900. It is a beast of a card and will do well at that resolution. You probably will be bottlenecked at high resolutions. However 3800+ are pretty cheap right now.
 
I would go for the x1900. It is a beast of a card and will do well at that resolution. However 3800+ are pretty cheap right now
Or you can always go sli and get another 7600gt. SLI is slightly faster than a 7900gt.
 
good to know.. this psu worked fine for my GT and a x800XL so i guess it should work for the x1900
 
If you are going with sapphire I would go with the 512MB version. Its only $40more...and if you're running new games at the resolution, you are going to need the memory for textures.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
I would go for the x1900. It is a beast of a card and will do well at that resolution. However 3800+ are pretty cheap right now
Or you can always go sli and get another 7600gt. SLI is slightly faster than a 7900gt.
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i cant do SLI i dont have an SLI mobo, and upping the CPU isnt that simply because im still on socket 754, so as i said in the next month or so ill be upgrading to socket AM2 w/ x2 3800+.

but in the mean time even with the bottleneck do you think the card will be able to run good enough to play on high settings with my current rig?
 
r3g said:
ok so i got a new 22" Widescreen VewSonic the other day, we all know my 7600GT isnt strong enough to run at 1680x1050 so im on the hunt for a new card.ive narrowed my search for a new GPU down to these 2. (keep in mind i will be upgrading my whole system after)
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For whatever its worth the 76GT can and does perform very well at 1680x1050. The 128bit handicap does not kick until until resolutions above 1680x0150. Admittedly all the cards you listed are better of course
 
SPARTAN VI said:
Your A64 3200+ a bottleneck? Only recent gen game I've come across that seems to be CPU limited is Rome: TW, you wont have to worry about your CPU bottlenecking for some time now. Haven't looked up the specs on your PSU, but I'm assuming by brand and wattage, that it'd be fine as well.
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I doubt that... Anything 3000+ is not bottlenecking anything as for now especially at higher resolutions... If you're trying to get faster fps at lower resolutions like 800x600 than yeah it's limited by what the CPU he is running...

In any case the guy has his CPU @ 2.5ghz...
 
GonzoP said:
r3g said:
ok so i got a new 22" Widescreen VewSonic the other day, we all know my 7600GT isnt strong enough to run at 1680x1050 so im on the hunt for a new card.ive narrowed my search for a new GPU down to these 2. (keep in mind i will be upgrading my whole system after)
For whatever its worth the 76GT can and does perform very well at 1680x1050. The 128bit handicap does not kick until until resolutions above 1680x0150. Admittedly all the cards you listed are better of course
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CSS runns at ok fps (40-60) until battle then it drops to the 20s or lower. Fear and Prey.... choppy choppy choppy (fps in the 20s or lower). not playable at all.
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r3g said:
CSS runns at ok fps (40-60) until battle then it drops to the 20s or lower. Fear and Prey.... choppy choppy choppy (fps in the 20s or lower). not playable at all.
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Yeah well FEAR is going to be sub-optimal anywhere since its such a beast
 
i was refering more to Prey then Fear.. i dont expect all high settings out of that. but them Doom engine ran awesome on my rig at 1024x768. soon as i made that jump it was bye bye smooth gaming for the GT, specially when HDR is on
 
Marvelous said:
I doubt that... Anything 3000+ is not bottlenecking anything as for now especially at higher resolutions... If you're trying to get faster fps at lower resolutions like 800x600 than yeah it's limited by what the CPU he is running...

In any case the guy has his CPU @ 2.5ghz...
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You doubt what? I said his CPU is not a bottleneck, you disagree and you go on to say the same thing I said.. :confused:
 
im confident in the XT now. can u OC to XTX speed on stock cooling or do i have to go after market?
 
SPARTAN VI said:
You doubt what? I said his CPU is not a bottleneck, you disagree and you go on to say the same thing I said.. :confused:
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Sorry misread it wrong, I thought you meant his CPU was bootleneck.
 
r3g said:
im confident in the XT now. can u OC to XTX speed on stock cooling or do i have to go after market?
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I'm on stock cooling. Sunny CA, and it's about 80F upstairs right now and my X1900XT is idling at 51C. Pretty warm here... Probably wont play any games until it cools down.
 
SPARTAN VI said:
I'm on stock cooling. Sunny CA, and it's about 80F upstairs right now and my X1900XT is idling at 51C. Pretty warm here... Probably wont play any games until it cools down.
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Minor thread jack here- That's the beauty of living up North. My basement's 65-66ºF and so my 7600GT is idling at around 36ºC
 
would it do me any good to put my Zalman VF-700 on or is the stock cooler better?
 
GonzoP said:
Minor thread jack here- That's the beauty of living up North. My basement's 65-66ºF and so my 7600GT is idling at around 36ºC
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I'd prefer the cold, but I'm absolutely immune to the heat. Not a bead of sweat on my head and I'm always wearing a long sleeved shirt. Anyhow, the X1900XT is idling at 59C now and it's about 87F upstairs. I need to turn on the AC.
 
Go for the X1900XT. I would support the larger framebuffer (512MB) for $40 more...go for it. You won't be disappointed, my friend just paired an X1900XTX with a Conroe and it is almost faster than mine :( See sig to see why I'm sad about that....
 
r3g said:
would it do me any good to put my Zalman VF-700 on or is the stock cooler better?
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If you got a vf-700 already then by all means use it. It beats the stock cooler by a few degrees
 
SPARTAN VI said:
I'd prefer to cold, but I'm absolutely immune to the heat. Not a bead of sweat on my head and I'm always wearing a long sleeved shirt. Anyhow, the X1900XT is idling at 59C now and it's about 87F upstairs. I need to turn on the AC.
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No AC no heat for me right now 65ºF inside here. Cool and comfortable. Heck I even turned my cpu OC up 30Mhz now at 2.65Ghz but cooler than in August
 
GonzoP said:
If you got a vf-700 already then by all means use it. It beats the stock cooler by a few degrees
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ya its on my 7600GT right now, just wasnt sure if it was better then the stock cooler because the stock cooler is huge and blows the hot air out of the case
 
r3g said:
ya its on my 7600GT right now, just wasnt sure if it was better then the stock cooler because the stock cooler is huge and blows the hot air out of the case
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Well there's something to consider there. Your gpu will be cooler with the Zalman but it could affect the rest of your system temps. Either way its pretty marginal
 
i will mosat likely keep the stock cooler on, unless its too loud that is. i love having a silent case!


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I am very confused now... i posted this same thread on the Guru3d forum and they are saying the 7900GT beats the XT when OCing is involved
 
r3g said:
i will mosat likely keep the stock cooler on, unless its too loud that is. i love having a silent case!


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I am very confused now... i posted this same thread on the Guru3d forum and they are saying the 7900GT beats the XT when OCing is involved
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Well, if you voltmod a 7900GT it may be able to win, but voltmodding is even riskier than overclocking, and WILL void your warranty (even eVGA, who is well respected for their liberal warranty policy that specifically sanctions overclocking and aftermarket coolers). Further, at full speed the stock X1900 cooler is very loud, but I don't know that you'll have to run it at full speed.
 
They're talking about a volt modded 7900GT which will produce amazing results. It's supposed to be a fairly simple procedure, but it's not something I want to get into. It's 2[H]4 Me! :D

Stock for stock, the X1900XT is the better value. OC to OC, X1900XT will still edge it out. Volt modded 7900GT, and now you're talking 7900GTX and up. Not something a noob will wanna test, but we all gotta start somewhere. If you want to try a volt mod, don't let me stop you!
 
naw ive never been one to do that kinda stuff.. im just a overclocker.
 
Well I'm not trying to influence your decision because I think you will be better off with the X1900XT too. But I do have a 7900GT with a Zalman VF900-CU and Volt Modded to 1.4 GTX Specs. It does reach GTX clocks and sometime power after the Mod. which is very easy with a conductive pen. My 06 Graphics scores are close to GTX levels but the total score is held down by the low single core CPU score.

In your case though without Volt Modding and excessive overclocking the X1900XT should beat the 7900GT easily.
 
well after reading botht hreads and thinking it over ive made my decision.. Sapphire x1900XT it is. thx guy!
 
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