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My current setup is an i7 920, X58 Eclipse, and a 4870x2. I want to liquid cool this set up and have it pretty much all contained except for the radiator, naturally. This is all going to be in an antec 900.

Would someone be kind enough to suggest a list of parts for this setup? I'm pretty novice to this.

Thanks a lot in advance!
 
Swiftech MCR-320-QP Radiator (you will need 3x 120mm fans as well as 2x 1/2" barbs)
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcqposerab1.html

Swiftech MCP655 D5 Vario pump
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html

Masterkleer 7/16" ID tubing over 1/2" barbs (10 feet of it should be enough, less if you don't think you'd used that much)
http://www.petrastechshop.com/7id5odmagepu.html

Swiftech GTZ with LGA 1366 mounting bracket
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzcpuwa1.html

EK RES 150 reservoir (you will need 2x 1/2" barb fittings for these)
http://www.petrastechshop.com/ekmure.html

Swiftech 4870 full cover waterblock (you will need 2 of these to watercool both your cards)
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcfucowafo.html

you will need fittings for the reservoir, radiator, and couple other fittings for your crossfire'd cards. You can also do away with the reservoir if you want a cleaner look go for a T line with a fillport.
 
i can reccomend that you get at least 5x120 worth of rad for that setup without overclocking and 6x120 should let you do a modest oc

for the cpu get the heatkiller 3.0, those i7's are hot!

for the pump get a mcp 655 with a swiftech micro res v2

for the gpu ask someone else (sorry still no experience with them, see if there is a heatkiller for it i know that they make a good vga cooler but idk if it will work with a 4870x2)

for tubing i would (and did) use 1/2 id tubing but 3/8 is a lot cleaner looking and is much better for cramped cases or tight bends, i recommend tygon tubing and use pure distilled water with a couple drops of pt nuke

for rads i like mcr320's you can get one then get a stackable one and stack them, for fans i recommend 6 yate loon med or something like that, idk how loud you want it to be but that shouldnt be too loud.
 
Your going to need two rads. One for gpu and one for your card unless you want a quad rad. Where do you plan one putting them?
 
Thanks for the elaborate replies.

The rads actually may end up in my basement through holes drilled through my floor, and mounted in the center of floor joists.

I'm trying to cool my room off.

One more question, does WC keep your parts cooler? It seems if they never get hot, then they have less time to generate heat.


Also, its a single card 4870x2, not crossfire. Sorry for confusion.
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lollerskater69 said:
Whats your budget. Yes WC drastically reduces heat.
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pretty much unlimited

another idea I had, would be to just liquid cool my CPU for now, that way when the HD5870x2 comes out, I would be able to purchase that block for it, especially since i'm having trouble finding a 4870x2 block.
 
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You can add another rad if your inclined to have more cooling power. You can choose 1/2 or 3/8 tubing. It doesn't really matter.
 
I'd get a full cover block for the 4870x2 if you aren't planning on upgrading anytime soon. Danger Den gets my vote.
 
Why? The temps are pretty much the same and you do't have to waste money on a new block when products come around.
 
If you are doing this to make your room cooler you *HAVE* to put the radiator in a different room like you were thinking. Water cooling does not make your parts generate less heat, in fact all things being equal the pump and extra fans are producing ~20-30W more heat than an air cooling solution (small number, but still).

Depending upon your goals you could get by with a single 3x120 radiator, no need to go crazy with twice that much if all you want is a bit more quiet and to cool your room off. Your temps on the cards/cpu won't be much better than air cooling with this, but it will cool them sufficiently. In general every 120mm^2 worth of radiator area will cool ~150W at a *decent* temperature with medium to high speed fans.
 
Erasmus354 said:
If you are doing this to make your room cooler you *HAVE* to put the radiator in a different room like you were thinking. Water cooling does not make your parts generate less heat, in fact all things being equal the pump and extra fans are producing ~20-30W more heat than an air cooling solution (small number, but still).

Depending upon your goals you could get by with a single 3x120 radiator, no need to go crazy with twice that much if all you want is a bit more quiet and to cool your room off. Your temps on the cards/cpu won't be much better than air cooling with this, but it will cool them sufficiently. In general every 120mm^2 worth of radiator area will cool ~150W at a *decent* temperature with medium to high speed fans.
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Well how big of a rad would I need if I wanted to get noticeably cooler temps? 2 triple 120's? Would it make sense to just have 2 pumps and 2 separate loops?
 
RADEoN said:
Well how big of a rad would I need if I wanted to get noticeably cooler temps? 2 triple 120's? Would it make sense to just have 2 pumps and 2 separate loops?
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2 pumps and 2 loops would be best, but it isn't really all that necessary. Considering you are most likely placing the radiators not only externally but also in a different room I don't see any reason not to go for 2 triple 120's. There isn't a huge price difference between a triple 120 and a double 120.
 
Radeon, did you check my suggestions? If you want to put them all the way in another room I suggest an iwaki..... But if you need a lot of cooling capacity, those gtx480 rads with 120x38 fans can handle your heat load. Two is really nice.
 
lollerskater69 said:
Radeon, did you check my suggestions? If you want to put them all the way in another room I suggest an iwaki..... But if you need a lot of cooling capacity, those gtx480 rads with 120x38 fans can handle your heat load. Two is really nice.
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Yea I read it thanks.

This is starting to actually become pretty overwhelming. It may end up just being easier placing the entire computer in a different room and running long HDMI and USB cables to my viewable equipment, it just seems like a PITA.

Thanks for all the input, and I'm still thinking about it, but I'm not sure I want to put the rads in my basement anymore. Drilled holes in the floor are pretty permanent :\.
 
To Re-iterate what erasmus said...
WC does not generate less heat. It is simply more efficient at removing heat from your components. If your room is already too hot then neither WC or air cooling will do their job. There must be a temperature differential between your components and ambient air. WC will remove heat from the components quicker and dump that heat into ambient air quicker but will not make your room cooler overall.
 
RabidCicada said:
To Re-iterate what erasmus said...
WC does not generate less heat. It is simply more efficient at removing heat from your components. If your room is already too hot then neither WC or air cooling will do their job. There must be a temperature differential between your components and ambient air. WC will remove heat from the components quicker and dump that heat into ambient air quicker but will not make your room cooler overall.
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It doesn't actually remove heat quicker either. It removes the heat at a lower temperature gradient between the components and the cooling solution. The heat is still being removed at exactly the same pace it is being produced. (Watts is energy per unit time)

WC doesn't remove more heat.
WC doesn't remove heat faster.
WC removes heat BETTER.
 
Ok, I thought about it, and I still wanna do this. I'm eliminating the idea of putting the radiator in a different room.

I'd like to OC my CPU as high as I can, will I still need a 6x120 rad setup?

Is it possible to have radiators in 2 different spots? I would like to put a 2x120 radiator on the front of my 900 with some modding so it's cloaked, and maybe a 3x120 in the back, try to keep it looking stock and everything.

Has this been done before?
 
has anyone ever used an automotive heater core as a radiator for a WC setup? I was wondering if I could mount the heater core in between the case and the 200 mm fan. There's enough room that with a dremel I could hack some of the metal away and squeeze one up there... has anyone ever considered this?
 
yes heatercore's were used before water cooling became a big selling point and it was all diy but they are still used and in fact i think that they are sold on petra's and sidewinders, i could be wrong though
 
I really don't think you need a 6x120 radiator....but that's just me.

I have a Q9550 @ 4.4Ghz and a 4870x2 OCed at 800/1000 on a single MCR320 and my load temps while gaming are like 60C on the video cards, and about 40-50C on teh CPU.

Again, I recommend a full cover block if you don't plan on jumping to another vid card anytime soon.
 
you think i could get by on a 3x120? i think my CPU gets hotter than yours... doesn't it?
 
soulesschild said:
I really don't think you need a 6x120 radiator....but that's just me.

I have a Q9550 @ 4.4Ghz and a 4870x2 OCed at 800/1000 on a single MCR320 and my load temps while gaming are like 60C on the video cards, and about 40-50C on teh CPU.

Again, I recommend a full cover block if you don't plan on jumping to another vid card anytime soon.
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I would love to see that.....
 
yea the i7's are a lot hotter then the old C2Q's, also i wouldnt do a full cover block, the only real reason i could see water cooling beating the best air coolers was that i wouldnt have to spend $60 every time i bought a new component with a new mounting kit, i would just need to spend $10 if it wasnt already compatible. thats just my 2 cents though :)
 
lollerskater69 said:
I would love to see that.....
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It's easily done. It's a testament to the quality of MCR320's. Again, remember it's when I'm gaming. Not running LinX + Furmark, though when I did, I think I was something like 55c for CPU, and about 67-70c GPU. I don't care about the temp of my vid card long as it's cooler then the stock cooling and without a vacuum.

Yes the i7 runs hotter, if anything, put it on its own 120.2/120.3 rad loop and it should be fine. The main issue with i7's is that they get insanely hot when you OC and have HT on. Alot of radiators just can't handle it without some crazy elaborate setup.

And if you want it internal you'll need a MM case(can get 3x 120.3s), or the TJ-07 (120.4 + 120.2)

Just remember that bigger doesn't always mean you'll have the best performance. There's other things to consider such as,

1. Type of fans you're going to use
2. How loud you'll willing to stand
3. What kind of ambient temp is it normally
4. how many blocks are you running and how restrictive are those blocks
5. Placement of radiators
6. type of pumps
etc
 
a 3x120 will work just fine, you don't need massive amounts of radiators as long as your case can get cool air to the one.

I'm using a 3x120 with a OC 920 with sli 280s and have no issues with heat build up at all. The air coming out is barely above room temperature. I'm a heavy gamer and those video cards seem much happier now than they ever did.
 
i thought that you would need a thicker/denser rad then a swiftech for that much heat! still quite impressive :)
 
Bigbacon said:
a 3x120 will work just fine, you don't need massive amounts of radiators as long as your case can get cool air to the one.

I'm using a 3x120 with a OC 920 with sli 280s and have no issues with heat build up at all. The air coming out is barely above room temperature. I'm a heavy gamer and those video cards seem much happier now than they ever did.
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Not that I don't believe you, but can I see some temp and speed shots? What's your room temp?

I'm very interested to see a 280 SLI setup on a 920 @~4ghz on a triple radiator... Hell, I had trouble with a single Vmodded 4870 and a Q6600 on the same triple radiator.

I'd really be interested to see what you're pulling.
 
For reference............

my computer has a 920 @ 4.2 with a HeatKiller 3.0 and a Bitspower for the NB, both feeding into a Swiftech 120 x 3 radiator..............

Now, gaming the CPU runs 48-50C, but if I load it up to 100% x 8 then I'll see high 70C.
 
Radeon...............you can get WAY better prices and very much better service AND much cheaper shipping costs from Sidewindercomputers.com

The guy there is better than excellent, his prices are always lower than PPCs.
Only minus is his inventory is not as vast as PPCs.
 
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