FarCry SM3.0 patch benchmarked

[MrHappyGoLucky]

If that's true that's not exactly good news for the X800 cards. The 6800s typically are more effiecent with AA than they are.

Yeah, sure

 

[tranCendenZ]

Yeah, sure

See the first page for the full gamut of benchmarks in context

 

[MrHappyGoLucky]

See the first page for the full gamut of benchmarks in context

I'm trying to imitate Nvidia's marketing by only showing what I want to show.

 

[tranCendenZ]

I'm trying to imitate Nvidia's marketing by only showing what I want to show.

That would just be imitating marketing in general.

 

[burningrave101]

Oh I'm here...feet planted. In fact I was highly enjoying reading this thread on SM 3.0 seeing I own a 6800GT. Call me crazy but its of particular interest to me....it simply chaps my ass when some nimrod who "claims" to know linux.....talks out his brown eye.....

and forgets to wipe....

Then quit trying to soften the blow for ATI in Linux lol. They blow chunks in Linux. Thats a simple fact. It doesn't matter how hard it is to install certain Linux distro's on ither an nVidia card or an ATI card, the ATI cards SUCK ASS in Linux.

Yeah, sure

What the heck is that suppost to prove? That has 8x AF enabled. You would have to do tests comparing the fps loss of a 6800u and an X800XT PE when 4x AA is enabled all by itself.

 

[Blackwind]

Then quit trying to soften the blow for ATI in Linux lol. They blow chunks in Linux. Thats a simple fact. It doesn't matter how hard it is to install certain Linux distro's on ither an nVidia card or an ATI card, the ATI cards SUCK ASS in Linux.

Burningrave101...you REALLY need to get a clue.....there is no "blow to soften." They work just fine in Linux. Your "opinion" of they "blow chunks in Linux" is completely inaccurate and due to idiots like dufus above. My framerates are no where NEAR as low as Dromedary has tried to claim. He, like many others.....doesn't know what the heck they are doing in Linux. Hundreds of Unix and Linux users using FireGL's and Radeon's can't be wrong.......

 

[burningrave101]

Burningrave101...you REALLY need to get a clue.....there is no "blow to soften." They work just fine in Linux. Your "opinion" of they "blow chunks in Linux" is completely inaccurate and due to idiots like dufus above. My framerates are no where NEAR as low as Dromedary has tried to claim. He, like many others.....doesn't know what the heck they are doing in Linux. Hundreds of Unix and Linux users using FireGL's and Radeon's can't be wrong.......

Well show me some performance results compared to an nVidia card of equal speed.

Talk is cheap unless you can actually put up some proof. I think if you will visit several video card forums you will find out that most everyone knows ATI has poor linux drivers. I'm not saying this. Hundreds of other people that have actually run ATI cards in different Linux distro's is saying this. Not just one person.

There are a couple of good GPU based Linux forums here:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=13

I'm sure you will have no problem finding threads from people complaining about the poor performance they get with their ATI card in Linux.

The performance is bad. The image quality is bad. ATI's Linux support is bad. Enough said.

 

[Vagrant Zero]

Yeah, sure

Reading is your friend. I said AA...not AF [which ATI clearly excels at]. Well then again...last time I checked Bad Boy's sig you didn't know what either one was so...guess I can't fault you.

Now back on topic, I've seen a few reviews where the XTPE's took a larger hit going from no AA to 4xAA than the 6800Us. Just AA mind you, not AF or a mix of AA/AF [which the cards trade off depending on the game].

 

[LstBrunnenG]

Confused????

Hothardware.com:

Benchmark Summary: When using the SM 3.0 path, the 12-pipe GeForce 6800 was able to outperform a 12-pipe Radeon X800 Pro in only two, lower-resolution tests with AA and Anisotropic filtering disabled. When AA and Aniso were enabled, the X800 Pro outpaced the 6800 across the board. The GeForce 6800 GT, however, beat the Radeon X800 Pro in all of the default tests, as well as when 4X AA was enabled. It was only when anti-aliasing and Anisotropic filtering were enabled concurrently that the X800 Pro was able to score a few victories over the GT.

anandtech.com:

Both of our custom benchmarks show ATI cards leading without anisotropic filtering and antialiasing enabled, with NVIDIA taking over when the options are enabled. We didn't see much improvement from the new SM3.0 path in our benchmarks either. Of course, it just so happened that we chose a level that didn't really benefit from the new features the first time we recorded a demo. And, with the mangoriver benchmark, we were looking for a level to benchmark that didn't follow the style of benchmarks that NVIDIA provided us with in order to add perspective.

Look at the benchies of each. One makes me want to run out and buy a 6800 Ultra , and the other an X800 Pro....

 

[Vagrant Zero]

The GeForce 6800 GT, however, beat the Radeon X800 Pro in all of the default tests, as well as when 4X AA was enabled.

MrHappytofootthebillforATI....see what I was talking about when I said the 6800s handle AA better than the X800s.

Can't even state the obvious anymore without a fanboy breathing down your neck.

As for the guy above me...I'll clear up the confusion for you...get the X800Pro over a 6800NU...that's not even a remotely difficult decision [well...unless you factor in the price diff, but from a performance viewpoint it's an easy decision]. SM3 be damned...the Pro will net a few rezs higher + max settings while you'll have to play the 'which settings will rape my card' game with the 6800NU.

Oh, and thanks for posting an article that proves what I said a few posts ago. I wasn't going to waste any time looking for it [and others like it, that's actually not the article I was referrencing before], not on Mr.Happy's behalf.

 

[LstBrunnenG]

Sorry, I meant the Ultra, except I think I just realized that hothardware didn't include it. Then again, it didn't include the XT either.

Not that I'm going to be buying either. It's just that one review is making me think that ATi rules, and the other that NVidia stole the show.

 

[Vagrant Zero]

Well it's better to compare the GT with the Pro [around the same price], in which case...GT easy.

 

[burningrave101]

Look at the benchies of each. One makes me want to run out and buy a 6800 Ultra , and the other an X800 Pro....

The 6800nu is $100 cheaper then the X800Pro but i wouldn't buy it unless your on a low budget. The 6800nu is a great budget card because its only $299 and more then outperforms a 9800XT which costs more.

I would buy a 6800GT if you can afford it. I just ordered the XFX from GameVE for $405 and it was in stock last night.

The 6800GT is the best price/performance card out. For $400 you can have a card that will run ultra speeds and higher. It supports all the tech the ultra does. Its a full 16 pipeline card. Its alot faster in OpenGL then the X800Pro is. And if you experiment with Linux you want an nVidia card because the ATI drivers suck .

Sorry, I meant the Ultra, except I think I just realized that hothardware didn't include it. Then again, it didn't include the XT either.

Not that I'm going to be buying either. It's just that one review is making me think that ATi rules, and the other that NVidia stole the show.

I think you must of gotten confused with what they were showing in the HotHardware review because it most definitely did not show ATI rules.

X800Pro = 6800GT
X800Pro =! 6800nu

The 6800nu is $100 cheaper then the X800Pro and the X800Pro is alot faster. 6800nu is a 12 pipeline card with 128MB of RAM.

 

[Blackwind]

Well show me some performance results compared to an nVidia card of equal speed.

Talk is cheap unless you can actually put up some proof. I think if you will visit several video card forums you will find out that most everyone knows ATI has poor linux drivers. I'm not saying this. Hundreds of other people that have actually run ATI cards in different Linux distro's is saying this. Not just one person.

There are a couple of good GPU based Linux forums here:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=13

I'm sure you will have no problem finding threads from people complaining about the poor performance they get with their ATI card in Linux.

The performance is bad. The image quality is bad. ATI's Linux support is bad. Enough said.

LOL. You are mental .....no question about it....you are using nvnews as "evidence" ATI drivers suck in Linux?


https://www.linux-magazine.com/Magazine/OnlineExclusive/ATI
http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003042200326NWDTHW
http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=227
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/32529.html
http://www.nordichardware.com/interview/2004/ATi_Catalyst/

Just earlier this year..

[NH] Will the Linux drivers become a part of the Catalyst program? (I.e. when can we expect Linux drivers with roughly the same capabilities and performance as the Windows versions?)
[ATi] Well the answer to your question is that Linux is already part of the CATALYST marketing umbrella. This means a constant and regular update schedule as well as the same principles of performance, stability, and innovation. However, if I understand your question correctly it should read; when will Linux drivers be as feature rich as Windows drivers? If that is the question, the answer should be looked at in terms of market size. I believe the split is 96% for Windows and 4% for Linux. If you think about it in those terms it is a tough business case to commit resources to make Linux drivers feature compatible with Windows drivers. We still would like to invest more in Linux so we are really going to move forward with it and CATALYST support for it.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/r350/index3.htm
http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=22

I don't go to an nvidia website to fix my ATI Linux driver issues no more then I would go to ATI to fix an issue with Nvidia's....talk about ass backwards....

 

[burningrave101]

A WHOLE LOT OF WORTHLESS CRAP

Your the one thats mental.

What EXACTLY are you proving by giving me a bunch of links to interviews with ATI?

I didn't see any benchmarks comparing an R3XX or R4XX to an NV30 or NV40 nVidia card in Linux.

Maybe i missed these benchmarks though so please link me to their location instead of giving me a bunch of worthless ATI PR BS to wade through.

Even in your own links people were trashing ATI's Linux drivers.

http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003042200326NWDTHW

ATI Linux drivers suck

I have tried their so-called "full-featured drivers" with my Radeon 9500, and I find them to be just unbelievably crappy:
1. XVideo is unusable.
2. It is not possible to run multiple X servers simultaneously.
3. The console framebuffer only works in "vga=normal" mode.
4. The X server can be configured to support either XVideo overlays, or OpenGL overlays, but not both.

And didn't ATI just fire their their entire German FireGL driver team?

 

[tranCendenZ]

re: linux drivers
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=256

 

[fallguy]

So here we are two days later, and Anand still hasnt fixed the text part of their review. :sigh:

 

[burningrave101]

re: linux drivers
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=256

Nice link .

Conclusions

NVIDIA's December 2002 release was a big step in the right direction. The March 2003 is an even bigger leap forward. People expect excellent drivers from NVIDIA. While it is reassuring to hear about NVIDIA's dedication to the viability of Linux, it is expected that their drivers will work and that they will work well. Linux Update is significant in that it removes much of the guesswork, drudgery, and hazards of previous installation procedures. Let's face it, part of the appeal of Linux is the ability to get one's virtual hands in it and muck about. But there comes a time when one actually wants the OS to *do* something and dealing with installation headaches just gets in the way. Linux gurus who loathe automation should not be put off by this development because NVIDIA still offers command line support and the installer is open source; they can twiddle bits until their hearts are content. Newcomers should welcome this development with cheers and parades for it removes a major headache and barrier for first-time Unix users.

 

[Vagrant Zero]

*Knows nothing about linux [except that it's got a cooler logo, penguin > window on weed]*
*runs off into a dark corner and hides*

 

[Blackwind]

*Knows nothing about linux [except that it's got a cooler logo, penguin > window on weed]*
*runs off into a dark corner and hides*

Ok...
that had me laughing.

What you've read so far is largely the same from December's release. What's new is the most exciting feature, NVIDIA Linux Update. Anyone who's installed Linux drivers, including NVIDIA's, knows what a royal pain in the butt it can be. Finding the right driver can be a chore in itself. Getting it to actually install and work can make DOS and Win 3.1 nightmares look pleasant by comparison. NVIDIA heard the cries of angst from the Linux community and developed Linux Update in response. Linux Update features:

Yup....they heard the angst....and farked it up....... The point is simply.....performance in Linux is near on par with Windows for both nVidia and ATI. Both have had major issues with Linux and even with all the wonderful support nVidia has applied (cough cough) They managed to even fark up the latest release. They mistakenly designed the driver around an 8k-stack kernel thinking, hey....this is great and in theory should work better then 4k-stack. They were incorrect. A few distros tried out 8k-stack and quickly realized that it actually broke several distro major functionality. Such as Oracle, mySQL databases just to name a few. While 8k-stack in theory allows more info passed.....it breaks the entire function of speed read,writes etc for the Linux OS. Several major distros realized this and reverted to 4k-stack......nVidia..,......missed the memo. While nVidia has dedicated support for drivers....that does not make them better......

 

[tranCendenZ]

Ypu....they heard the angst....and farked it up.......

?

The article is stating that prior to Nvidia's Linux Update, it was a pain in the ass to get drivers working. Now with Nvidia's Linux Update, it's much less so. I think you misread the passage you quoted.

 

[Blackwind]

?

The article is stating that prior to Nvidia's Linux Update, it was a pain in the ass to get drivers working. Now with Nvidia's Linux Update, it's much less so. I think you misread the passage you quoted.

I didn't misread anything....It's called PR spin.........the article was also written before they actually released the drivers....the drivers presently require you to complete rip out the exisitng kernel and replace it with a 8k-kernel in order for nVidias "new" drivers to work....they went from good drivers....to worse.....

Even in your own links people were trashing ATI's Linux drivers.

Those are talkback comments numbnut....not the article in question....

 

[tranCendenZ]

I didn't misread anything....It's called PR spin.........

So now Bjorn3d is in on the Nvidia Linux conspiracy too?

the article was also written before they actually released the drivers....

From the article:
"The latest driver build featuring Linux Update is available now directly from NVIDIA."

they went from good drivers....to worse.....

Not sure how you could get that based on this conclusion. It seems as if you are grasping for straws.

"Conclusions
NVIDIA's December 2002 release was a big step in the right direction. The March 2003 is an even bigger leap forward. People expect excellent drivers from NVIDIA. While it is reassuring to hear about NVIDIA's dedication to the viability of Linux, it is expected that their drivers will work and that they will work well. Linux Update is significant in that it removes much of the guesswork, drudgery, and hazards of previous installation procedures. Let's face it, part of the appeal of Linux is the ability to get one's virtual hands in it and muck about. But there comes a time when one actually wants the OS to *do* something and dealing with installation headaches just gets in the way. Linux gurus who loathe automation should not be put off by this development because NVIDIA still offers command line support and the installer is open source; they can twiddle bits until their hearts are content. Newcomers should welcome this development with cheers and parades for it removes a major headache and barrier for first-time Unix users."

It's also pretty common knowledge that Nvidia has superior Linux drivers to ATI, but I'm not gonna go there

 

[Kamel]

Burningrave101...you REALLY need to get a clue.....there is no "blow to soften." They work just fine in Linux. Your "opinion" of they "blow chunks in Linux" is completely inaccurate and due to idiots like dufus above. My framerates are no where NEAR as low as Dromedary has tried to claim. He, like many others.....doesn't know what the heck they are doing in Linux. Hundreds of Unix and Linux users using FireGL's and Radeon's can't be wrong.......

yea, well where's your cirtificate of a linux certified professional? i'm not saying i am one myself, but i'm certainly not a newb.

the framerates aren't *always* lower than an fx5200 etc, but i never said that, i simply stated that they can be. what i've also stated remains accurate... their drivers are designed for the firegl card; you can't deny that. their drivers also do represent a gauranteed 20% performance decrease (best case scenerio), usually that number is right around 40% though. this is not according to my *opinion*, it's fact, as per SPEC viewperf and quake3 benchmarking. i'm not talking about what i heard from a guy down the street who once had an ati rage 128 card, these are real results (see http://www.nvidia.com/object/LO_20030328_6790.html page 16, along with any others you prefer to look at). ask any linux gamer, doesn't matter who they are. if they are serious about gaming, they will know for a fact which card is better under linux... don't believe me, i've got an exact log from the largest linux chat irc channel (#gentoo) on irc.freenode.net; totally unmodified:

07:20 < kamel> should i get an nvidia or ati card for my next upgrade?
07:21 < Regor> kamel: nvidia is much better supported in linux
07:21 < kamel> Regor: tnx.. just curious, do you have any links that will tell me the difference etc?
07:22 < Regor> kamel: Not off the top of my head. That's just from reading the forums and my own experience with my nvidia card.

for proof that it's not just a coincidence, lets join another large channel and ask the same question; #fedora on the same network

07:27 < kamel> which do you all reccomend i buy for my next upgrade? an ati or nvidia card?
07:28 * steve44 prefers Nvidia
07:28 < wi11iam> I like ati but dissapointed with it concerning fc2
07:29 < wi11iam> wont run x in fc2 ... hangs in an unstoppable without reboot loop
07:29 < kamel> ouch
07:29 < kamel> that sucks, heh

alright, lets try a third shall we? #freebsd (no response)

ok, i'll try #debian out for a spin

07:42 < kamel> i'm going to be upgrading my video card, do you suggest i go with ati or nvidia for my video card?
07:42 < IceDC571> ati
07:42 < kamel> IceDC571: why?
07:42 < daboost> i prefer nvidia
07:42 < Tezkah> nvidia, they are better with releasing linux drivers.
07:43 < IceDC571> well i personally like ati so..
07:43 < kamel> ah, i see
07:43 < Tezkah> aTI is a good company
07:43 < kamel> i was just curious if there was any particular reason
07:43 < Tezkah> but they haven't even released amd64 drivers
07:44 < IceDC571> If anyone can tell me how to install ati drivers on my debian system, i will totally paypal them so much
07:45 < IceDC571> ive spent days trying to get em to work
07:47 < kamel> IceDC571: is there anything in particular that isn't working with the drivers?
07:47 < kamel> i may be able to help... don't know though, heh
07:47 < IceDC571> kamel, it says This driver is designed to only work with X4.1.0 or higher. :\
07:47 < kamel> hmm, that's weird
07:47 < kamel> it sounds like a bug
07:47 < cod> hey, guys thanks a lot. gaim now has file transfer and MSN away messages
07:48 < kamel> debian is x.org right?
07:48 -!- jmau [~jmau@pD9E5D297.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
07:48 < IceDC571> yeah.. im wondering why im always getting the bug and not anyone else
07:48 < Penix> kamel: no
07:48 < kamel> hmm, must be thinking of fedora
07:48 < kamel> IceDC571: well, i thought i might be able to help, but sorry -- i can't
07:48 < libv> IceDC571: simple. move to sarge or build the sarge X for woody
07:49 < libv> IceDC571: surely everyone couldve seen that one
07:49 < IceDC571> libv, how would i do that? heh sorry i dont know much
07:49 < libv> kamel: i have no idea if one is even able to get x.org without doing anything fancy
07:49 < IceDC571> downgrade to sarge?
07:50 < libv> kamel: X is massive, following both x.org and xfree86.org is quite a lot of work, especially since the build
and structure has remained the same
07:50 < kamel> libv: i think you can, but you've got to create weird symlinks
07:50 < libv> IceDC571: downgrade?
07:50 < kamel> libv: which actual ones that they are, i have no clue
07:50 < libv> IceDC571: so a move from xfree864.1.* to xfree86-4.3.* is downgrading?
07:51 < IceDC571> libv: how would i check my xfree86 version?
07:51 < libv> IceDC571: -version iirc
07:54 < kamel> well, tnx for the advice guys.. i'm gonna go

alright, nothing has been cut from the quotes except for people who included a name prefix that wasn't mine, or one of the people i was talking to. as you can see, my poll turned out the only 2 people that said they prefer ati were unable to use their drivers at all -- maybe once they got them installed they will finally develop a bad taste in their mouth for ati and their "drivers" if that's what you call them. go ahead and do the poll yourself, or anyone who ever wants to... i'm absolutely certain the results will be the same.

i'm glad we're clear on this now, maybe you can start giving some respect to the *real* linux users, because i certainly don't think anyone's opinions were bias according to what i ask.

eh, want more proof? keep embarassing yourself, i'll keep providing proof. you think something i said is wrong? prove it -- if you think ati is so great in linux, get me a website with benchmarks that prove ati is better than nvidia in drivers. yea, maybe i don't have any links myself, but that's because there are none. linux users believe in sharing information by word of mouth, and certainly that's been well proven here; by word of mouth; from one linux user to another.

YHBT HAND.

 

[Blackwind]

So now Bjorn3d is in on the Nvidia Linux conspiracy too?

Unfortuantly you're reading into my statement....Bjorn3d's comments aren't PR spin....nVidia's are. I have not once stated nVidia doesn't do a good job on their drivers for linux. They try very very hard to make sure that they are keeping up with the needs of linux users. I have also never stated they don't work better within linux. Usually I get better performance from the nVidia drivers in general.

What I have stated is ATI's linux drivers are not the fetid dung burningrave and Dromedary has tried to make them out as.

Not sure how you could get that based on this conclusion. It seems as if you are grasping for straws.

Let me spell it out for you. There is no straw. nVidia went from good drivers to worse in not keeping up with the distro kernel stack implementation. If they had simply checked in with major distros such as SUSe or Red Hat...they could have insured that the compiler would check and verify the kernel and stack implemented...and make and create the appropriate driver.....rather then having to rip out the entiree kernel to make it work.

yea, well where's your cirtificate of a linux certified professional? i'm not saying i am one myself, but i'm certainly not a newb.

Since you asked....I am SAIR Linux level 2 Certified (about to start my MLCE), I have my RHCE, my CISSP, my CCNP, Sun Certified and have my MCSE.....I used almost every flavor under the sun when it comes to Linux ....its a large part of my job.

07:47 < IceDC571> kamel, it says This driver is designed to only work with X4.1.0 or higher. :\
07:47 < kamel> hmm, that's weird
07:47 < kamel> it sounds like a bug

the above comment clearly demonsrates you had no idea what you were doing when you had an ATI card. I'm going to assist you so in the future you can actually advise someone when asked....

There are two major factors one has to keep in mind when installing ATI linux drivers....
A) What kind of ATI card are you using
B) What release of Xfree86 is being used

For each card there is 3 different Xfree86 versions ...the above user used the wrong one. they apparently didnt know how to confirm what version they were using.....that is spelled out very clearly on ATI's howto. Your chat traffic is no more proof then my logging my own. It's called opinions.....not proof.

eh, want more proof? keep embarassing yourself, i'll keep providing proof. you think something i said is wrong? prove it -- if you think ati is so great in linux, get me a website with benchmarks that prove ati is better than nvidia in drivers. yea, maybe i don't have any links myself, but that's because there are none. linux users believe in sharing information by word of mouth, and certainly that's been well proven here; by word of mouth; from one linux user to another.

Embarrassed? I'm embarrased all right....for you. You so desperately want to sound informed but are clearly not....no Linux user I know relies on any thing so archaic as word of mouth....they rely on the Internet....

 

[Kamel]

lmao, yea buddy, i'm RHCE too..

anyone can say they are certified, you're just talking out of your ass. i know that you aren't who you say you are, because you for some reason think the ati drivers are OK.

keep asking me for proof, where's yours? you still haven't proven that the performance is better, so your professional ass should start getting some proven facts, because you're still talking out of your ass. since you're the professional here, i think you should do it... i don't understand why you back down to this seemingly simple challenge?

 

[Blackwind]

lmao, yea buddy, i'm RHCE too..

anyone can say they are certified, you're just talking out of your ass. i know that you aren't who you say you are, because you for some reason think the ati drivers are OK.

keep asking me for proof, where's yours? you still haven't proven that the performance is better, so your professional ass should start getting some proven facts, because you're still talking out of your ass. since you're the professional here, i think you should do it... i don't understand why you back down to this seemingly simple challenge?

Still desperate to appear as though you know what you are talking about....I have not once asked you for any sort of "proof" or other. I have on the other hand proven several times over you do not know what you are talking about....challenge? You are most definitely not a challenge....this conversation began with claims from you and burningrave101 that the ATI drivers did not work....ironically with burningrave101 attempting to use you as expert reference.....

 

[Kamel]

Still desperate to appear as though you know what you are talking about....I have not once asked you for any sort of "proof" or other. I have on the other hand proven several times over you do not know what you are talking about....challenge? You are most definitely not a challenge....this conversation began with claims from you and burningrave101 that the ATI drivers did not work....ironically with burningrave101 attempting to use you as expert reference.....

wait a second, where did i say they did not work? i never said that, not once. now you're just putting words into my mouth... that really shows something about your debating skills...

 

[burningrave101]

You are most definitely not a challenge....this conversation began with claims from you and burningrave101 that the ATI drivers did not work....ironically with burningrave101 attempting to use you as expert reference.....

Hey! Dont drag me back into this! lol

And since your so good at misreading, misspelling and misquoting people, you should go back and re-read what i said to begin with. I never said ATI drivers WOULDN'T WORK, i said the PEFORMANCE and IMAGE QUALITY compared to that on nVidia cards with nVidia's Linux drivers really sucks.

I also never claimed to be a Linux guru. You obviously think you are one though so that is why i challenged you to put up performance results comparing the Radeon cards to nVidia's.

Who gives a rats ass if those hacked, cracked, and redistributed FireGL drivers will work in Linux or not when the performance and visual quality is far below that of the nVidia offerings.

 

[Kamel]

heh, so i suppose my opinion, along with the ones of the people in the chat rooms, along with the opinions of those in this thread are all wrong... as opposed to your personal opinion, along with 2 others in my research that also support ATi under linux. heh, give me a break. and btw, you've ignored the image quality complaint like the plague... what are you going to try and claim now, that it's a faked screen shot? what a joke you are. maybe you know a thing or two about linux, but your knowledge of graphics in linux is seriously lacking.

i'm not quite satisfied with this amount of proof... since there is a never-ending bowl of proof out there, i should tack on some more:

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=92

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video_winvslin/index.html

hmmmm... can't wait to see your lame ass attempt to dig out of this hole.

 

[MrHappyGoLucky]

 

[Kamel]

i agree... sorry for thread hijacking, i was just trying to defend is all.

i will not reply anymore, regardless of what's posted.

 

[ZenOps]

Whoa, I expected ATi to get stomped with PVS 3.0 enabled (given that in theory, the 3.0 shader path could give a ~35 percent boost over 2.0) but its not the case.

Disregarding the noAA and noAF graphs (who buys a $500 videocard and runs noAA or AF?) its pretty obvious the two are running neck and neck, even on a PVS 3.0 game.

With an extra 60 million transistors, its certainly not showing yet.

 

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And I don't know how legit the individual tests are... How about a standard HDR test (no blur) In that one, I honestly think ATi could pull ahead of NVidia.

What is up with Nvidia and their "blurs", I swear if they spent half as much time sharpening up the picture as they did blurring it up (IE: working on AF instead of QuinCunx) people would be much happier with the overall image.