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Filter

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for my gpu what is the add -advmethods checkbox do? should i have this checked

465gtx modded to 470gtx?
 
Filter said:
for my gpu what is the add -advmethods checkbox do? should i have this checked

465gtx modded to 470gtx?
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-advmethods tells your client that you are willing to run public beta work units. These are new work units that have gone through private beta testing and need more testing from a wider audience before getting released to all users. They may or may not be stable but we really haven't seen any bad work units in a long time. It's up to you whether you want to take the risk or not.

I generally do not recommend enabling it by default, especially for those fairly new to F@H.
 
it allows you to run open beta projects. in your case it allows you to run the 6800 and 6811 WU's. if you have it unchecked it gives you the general public WU's..

to explain it easier.. you have 3 level's of WU's. there are the closed beta WU's. advmethod WU's. then the general public WU's.

with the gtx 470 i'd suggest running the advmethod flag since you will generally get better numbers on those WU's then the standard WU's which fair better for the lower cards like the gtx 460 and gts 450.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
in your case it allows you to run the 6800 and 6811 WU's.
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6800 was released to the general public a long time ago, November 15th to be exact. 6811 is still in -advmethods however.
 
thats what i figured but couldnt remember when it was so i just included it in what i said.
 
Filter said:
any more ppd? and what exaclty is ppd lol.
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It's all relative in the long run. Eventually, -advmethods work units get released to the general public and you will get them regardless of whether the flag is enabled. Sometimes work units only stay in -advmethods for a very short time, sometimes they stay there for a long time.

PPD = Points per Day = how many points your client produces in a day.
 
why does my FAH GPU tracer v2 say im estimated about 17,000 ppd but on the hardfolding site im really only 3kppd. my system is folding 24/7
 
Filter said:
why does my FAH GPU tracer v2 say im estimated about 17,000 ppd but on the hardfolding site im really only 3kppd. my system is folding 24/7
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The PPD reported by hardfolding.com isn't updated during every stats update, PPD is only calculated once a day on hardfolding. You may also want to use the statistics at http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/

GPU Tracker is live PPD reporting.
 
sirmonkey does make a good point about the 6811 work unit. It is a work unit that is almost custom tailored for your GPU so you may want to enable -advmethods. However, you *might* have to babysit it more than other work units so just be warned.
 
Tobit said:
The PPD reported by hardfolding.com isn't updated during every stats update, PPD is only calculated once a day on hardfolding. You may also want to use the statistics at http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/

GPU Tracker is live PPD reporting.
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like he said. they are different. but remember the PPD you see in gpu tracker isnt a hard number. you wont make exactly 17k PPD every day. you would make 17k PPD if you ran that single WU for 24 straight hours. it doesnt account for the time it takes to upload, download and start the next WU. it also doesnt account for other WU's with different point values you may run. so theres a lot of variables in the actual numbers. we really only use them to monitor hardware. so if it drops then we know somethings wrong or for testing overclock performance in F@H. stuff like that.
 
thats fine hardfolding was showing i was still at 2-3k ppd.
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The ppd field in both EOC and hardfolding is more like an average of your ppd over the last few weeks. It takes a while for it to ramp up; as long as your daily points are being updated correctly, you're fine.
 
anywhere i can read up on this? did we lose a bunch of members to them or something?
 
after doing some research i found out why. Man thats a low blow on EVGA's part.
 
Do you have a link to a specific thread? I started folding after all that had subsided.

I'm going to flag my 470 client as well, we'll see how this goes.
 
really wasnt a specific thread. basically evga bought 1st place buy offering evga bucks. to fold for them.
get like $10 a month for a max of $120 or some crap but have to fold for at least a year and make so many points.

The way i understood it. might not be exact but you get the jist.
 
R-Type said:
Do you have a link to a specific thread? I started folding after all that had subsided.

I'm going to flag my 470 client as well, we'll see how this goes.
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long story short.. we are in second and they are in first. end of discussion. wont last long though. should be back in first after the EVGA bucks stop.
 
R-Type said:
Do you have a link to a specific thread? I started folding after all that had subsided.

I'm going to flag my 470 client as well, we'll see how this goes.
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this sudden interest in joining the team is scaring me, everyday day I get mowed by a couple of those newbies.
if this is you, you will overtake me after about 2 days :mad:
I just want to join the [H] top 1000 :(

jk :D nice to have you all on the team, I'll take my revenge when socket 2011 and GTX 680 comes out.

 
firas said:
this sudden interest in joining the team is scaring me, everyday day I get mowed by a couple of those newbies.
if this is you, you will overtake me after about 2 days :mad:
I just want to join the [H] top 1000 :(

jk :D nice to have you all on the team, I'll take my revenge when socket 2011 and GTX 680 comes out.

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your only doing 7700 PPD on a gtx 285? are you running the gpu3 client or the gpu2 client? you should easily be doing 10k+ PPD on the gpu2 client. with a decent overclock you should be in the 11-12k PPD range.
 
booo... fold 24/7!! lol only cost you like 4 or 5 dollars more a month compared to what your doing now :D
 
wish I could do that but it’s the only PC I have and I spend a lot of time gaming and stuff..
 
firas said:
this sudden interest in joining the team is scaring me, everyday day I get mowed by a couple of those newbies.
if this is you, you will overtake me after about 2 days :mad:
I just want to join the [H] top 1000 :(

jk :D nice to have you all on the team, I'll take my revenge when socket 2011 and GTX 680 comes out.

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Yes that's me standing ominously behind you. ;)

Hell, I'm just glad to have something that vindicates my use high end components in all my builds. Prior to this, I was having trouble finding usage scenario's where my fiance browsing facebook would tax her quad core system...

Oh and these 6811 units work my 470 like a 2 dollar whore, I'm about 5C hotter than when it was running the 6800's.

EDIT: I'm still trying to figure out the SMP bonus point system. From what others have said you have to run 10 of that number WU with high reliability before the points will automatically start being assigned? My SMP clients all seem to have gotten about 3 each of a dozen different WU's.... this could take a while.
 
You just have to complete 10 SMP units (any mix of units, not all the same one) with your passkey to get the bonus. If you're getting more points for a WU than the specified point value, then you're getting a bonus.
 
still dont uderstand why F@H tracker says i suppose to be getting 18kppd but im still only actually getting 4-8kppd.

it runs 24/7
 
SazanEyes said:
You just have to complete 10 SMP units (any mix of units, not all the same one) with your passkey to get the bonus. If you're getting more points for a WU than the specified point value, then you're getting a bonus.
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Gotcha, so thats why my ppd on a 6701 can be between 4-6k when they take almost a full day to complete one 921 point unit.

FAH GPU Tracker isn't very clear about this IMO, but HFM makes it pretty straight forward.

Lets see if I can flesh this out to check my assumptions....
Using my Q9550 SMP as an example, you can see its running a 6701 WU that is worth 921 points but HFM shows I am getting 4700 points for it.

Now look at the TPF on this client, currently showing about 13.5 minutes of work for each percentage point towards completion. 13.5 x 100 = 1350 minutes to complete = 22.5 hours to complete a 6701 WU. This is where there PPD projection in GPU Tracker is coming from, as it is taking the bonus credit earned divided by time to completion. (you can see the ppd projection in GPU Tracker would indicate an actual completion time of over 24 hours, this is due to gaming ;))

Does that make sense?

Filter, the client is likely projecting what you will score when bonus points are brought into account but you aren't actually earning them until you complete 10 SMP units.
 
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R-Type said:
Filter, the client is likely projecting what you will score when bonus points are brought into account but you aren't actually earning them until you complete 10 SMP units.
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so the ppd that it reports is when i start getting bonus points. man i wish i would of did this switch a long time ago.

for having over 3,000 wu done i got a pretty low score.
 
Filter said:
so the ppd that it reports is when i start getting bonus points. man i wish i would of did this switch a long time ago.

for having over 3,000 wu done i got a pretty low score.
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Are you running the GPU3 client on your 470? You should be able to pump around 14k on that and those WU's aren't affected by Bonus points. According to EOC you have been between 6 and 14k per day for the past 3 days, I'm assuming you aren't running 24/7?
 
R-Type said:
Are you running the GPU3 client on your 470? You should be able to pump around 14k on that and those WU's aren't affected by Bonus points. According to EOC you have been between 6 and 14k per day for the past 3 days, I'm assuming you aren't running 24/7?
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yes i am. The check box is checked in FAH tracker


and i am running 24/7 Thats why im confused. FAH tracker says i should be doing about 12-13k for my 470 but when i look at my points / stats im not getting that.

my points have increase because i use to just run the old single client on each core and didnt run my gpu before so my last 3 days of productioin is when i changed everything over.

and i have a ps3 on top of this runnin and that gives me about 1100ppd thats 24/7 also.
 
Hmm, well the 12k day made sense if your 470 was working but your smp job didn't happen to finish that day. The other days it sure seems like your gpu client is crashing or getting hung up somehow. I would keep an eye on it (click the 'gpu0' label to see the log) and make sure its running. I've had cards OCCT stable that hung in F@H because they needed more voltage.

Also, what drivers are you running? I was having major problems when I first got started until I switched to 260.99.
 
You just have to complete 10 SMP units (any mix of units, not all the same one) with your passkey to get the bonus. If you're getting more points for a WU than the specified point value, then you're getting a bonus.
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No...that only applies to the SMP client. All the GPU work units have a bonus factor of 0, which means he should be getting full credit from the first WU. Depending on OC, he should be getting 11k~15k ppd from that GTX470, assuming it's folding 24/7.

Filter, looking at your stats is very confusing. I see a ton of 298-point WUs, which means you are running the SINGLE THREADED cpu client. You do have the ocassional 7202-pt WU (GPUv3 client), but they are pretty rare - less than one per day. Can you please be more explicit about which clients you are running on which hardware (including clock/shader speed) and how many points you think you should be getting from each of them?
 
thefreeaccount said:
No...that only applies to the SMP client. All the GPU work units have a bonus factor of 0, which means he should be getting full credit from the first WU. Depending on OC, he should be getting 11k~15k ppd from that GTX470, assuming it's folding 24/7.

Filter, looking at your stats is very confusing. I see a ton of 298-point WUs, which means you are running the SINGLE THREADED cpu client. You do have the ocassional 7202-pt WU (GPUv3 client), but they are pretty rare - less than one per day. Can you please be more explicit about which clients you are running on which hardware (including clock/shader speed) and how many points you think you should be getting from each of them?
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i was running the sinlge core clients one per core for a long long time. till 3-4 days ago i seen the FAH tracker thread. im running that with the smp client and the GPU3 client
 
Whatever it is, we'd better figure it out soon because I show as the number one threat on your stats page...

1.2 weeks ;)
 
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