Even Mark Hamill Hates the 'New' Luke Skywalker

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Critics and fans continue to either love the latest Star Wars episode or hate it with a passion. I know the purist fan who religiously follows Star Wars canon isn't real happy and you can find lots of YouTube videos ranting and raving about it. However, the video interview below features Mark Hamill and he isn't a fan of the 'new' Luke Skywalker. I happen to agree with him.

Watch the video here.
 
Honestly the movie had the cloths of star wars but just not the guts. Really didn't like how SEVERAL of the characters were written in this script. This is also one of the issues with changing your director and writer for every movie. There's no continuity or consistency when anyone can write their own version of a Star Wars movie. There were a lot of scenes that made me groan, more so than any of the movies before. I'm not a massive Star Wars fan so I don't geek out on all the little details, but even to me I could see that the writer took too many liberties in his version of this universe and its lore.

As far as Luke went, I think his character was written into a corner that pretty much neutralized him from being the glowing Luke Skywalker from the Trilogy.

It didn't help that he turned into Naruto and used his sage power to clone himself from a safe location and travel to a planet in another solar system thereby adding miraculous new powers to the force that had unto now not existed in this lore
 
Haven't seen the flick yet but I can safely say that Star Wars is dead for me. What they've done to childhood icons for the sake of paving way for new characters that will bring more teens and twenty somethings to spend money is stupid. They've Disney-tized everything and it's lame. Rogue One was pretty damn good. I thought Force Awakens was marginally good. Kylo was a compellingly conflicted character but much of the story was too Disney-esque. Now that they've continued the stupidity I won't give them money. It's wild to see how Rotten Tomatoes stacks up for this movie.
 
Apparently, Hamill didn't know his luke was going to die at the end of the film until he saw the premier. He thought he was going to be going on as skywalker for the next few movies, only to be stabbed in the back at the premier to his first (and last) star wars movie in years. There's a youtube video of his true reaction as he found out and he turns to look at the director sitting next to him.

I guess he figures now he has nothing to lose and can let it all out, though I completely agree with him.
 
Kylo Ren (where's Stimpy!?) is hardly a compelling bad guy...nor is a disembodied head named Snark......or Smoke...or Spoke....Snopes?!? Whatever......the Galactic Empire had two scary dudes driving it and an army of "ok they're nazi's" bad guys to back them up, these new films have Scooby Doo bad guys and, I guess, the rebellion sure sucks considering they're still at it 40 years later....nice job, losers..
 
Forgive my SW ignorance, but is there a general direction Disney is taking this story arc?

With a huge universe like SW, I would assume they would know where they are taking this story.

I think that's why the Marvel Universe is working so well, the story arc is centered on meeting up with Thanos. All the movies are leading up to battle him. It was set that way from almost day 1 (maybe day 3, or the Saturday after).

Whats the plan with SW? Who's in charge of the direction of the ship?
 
Reminds me of when Transformers the Movie was released back in the 80s. All the kids bawling hysterically in the theatre because some company decided it was better to wipe out all the favourite characters and bring in new ones. I mean, then we can sell new toys, right?!

I was never a huge Star Wars nut, but even I feel kinda like one of those kids again with the way they've written these characters out.
 
HeadRusch said:
I heard Luke literally milks tits in this film......then I saw the gif's........then I was sad for Luke, for what he had become...... :(
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There are a few "political correctness" scenes in the movie which is one of the reasons dislike it. The milk scene is a reflection on us as a society exploiting cows and is trying to make the act of drinking milk obscene and its totally out of place in the movie. The porg eating is somewhat funny but yet again "animal rights" but in that case its a meh ok I'll go with it.
 
the-one1 said:
Forgive my SW ignorance, but is there a general direction Disney is taking this story arc?

With a huge universe like SW, I would assume they would know where they are taking this story.

I think that's why the Marvel Universe is working so well, the story arc is centered on meeting up with Thanos. All the movies are leading up to battle him. It was set that way from almost day 1 (maybe day 3, or the Saturday after).

Whats the plan with SW? Who's in charge of the direction of the ship?
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Basically Disney is using the old characters as a means to transition to the new characters. Luke has basically become a sad depressed scared Ben Kenobi. Leia has taken over Mon Mothma's role whom will hand it off to another. Well you know what happened to Han. There is no continuity left from the original triloigy.

And to restart the galactic wars that existed under the old republic before the clone wars where there were armies of good Jedi and bad Jedi doing battle with one another as Rey and Kylo pick up the banners of each side.

This creates a formula where they can create spin off after spin off till it's no longer profitable. Too bad Disney shot themselves in the foot starting with JJ. It's been going down hill from there.

The Force Awakens was by committee where a lot of people had input.

However Rian Johnson completely controlled and wrote "The Last Jedi" The fault lies squarely on his shoulders and no one else's. I think this was pretty much career suicide. Much like Hayden Christiansan's career went bye bye after the Episodes 2 and 3.
 
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A rant of how stupid the film is...

I dont mind that Luke became a hermit and I don't mind him dying but its the explanation that really screws me over.

If Luke had made an attempt to "fix" Ren and failed, leading to Ren killing all the students (in true Sith fashion, i.e. one apprentice/master) and thereby being somewhat responsible paired with the issue of Ren being Han and Leias son. If one pairs this with some Jedi lore and sees the force as a balance (thus building a jedi order would indirectly result in more Sith) which could lead one to a decision to end the Jedi or cut oneself of too change the power balance. Sidenote: that explanation of the force seems flawed to me since in that case Sith would want more Jedi (as long as they keep their group small as Sith typically do).

If that was the backstory for his refuge and hiding away and then coming back in an heroic last stand which led to his death then all would be golden for me (atleast for that story arc). But no, now it seems they want people to "feel" for Ren and makes Luke somewhat of a bad guy in the scenario, just meh meh meh wtf.

Another thing that really annoys me is the stupid 18h starship chase, 18h and no other ships jumps ahead for a coordinated attack? And why did the other ships have to be destroyed, since only one ship did the tracking why couldn't the other ships jump away and atleast try to get away (coordinated with escape shuttles incase 1st order tracked them). This pairs well into the issue with Finn and their jump which 1st order didnt pursue in any way.

Also if a hyperspace jump could make such damage, why wherent that exploited at any time in the previous films, it would be a cakewalk to just take a beaten old cruiser and make it into a killer missile. Heck given the size of the damage invoked why the hell didnt they use that in "A New Hope". Also why didnt 1st order do the same instead of chasing the rebels?

There are so much WRONG in this movie and it only works if you put your brain on autopilot and dont care about the characters background.
 
bugleyman said:
Even if he knew exactly the direction the director would go -- and all indications are that he did not -- what's your point?
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He signed the agreement for 3 films before the first film began filming. He was trapped. And you could tell early on he didn't like the way Luke evolved.
 
eneq said:
There are a few "political correctness" scenes in the movie which is one of the reasons dislike it. The milk scene is a reflection on us as a society exploiting cows and is trying to make the act of drinking milk obscene and its totally out of place in the movie. The porg eating is somewhat funny but yet again "animal rights" but in that case its a meh ok I'll go with it.
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Hmmmm, I never once thought about exploiting cows. Milk? I'd think slaughtering them for Whattaburgers and McHamburgers would be a better impact, but whatever....I figured it was a painfully-implemented left-wing notion that even by himself, a powerful Jedi must rely on a female to keep him alive........otherwise I can't for the life of me figure out why
someone thought having a tit milk scene was a good idea in a Star Wars universe that has been utterly sterilized and re-tuned for younger children the past two decades, but now...monster tits....... =| Kids, this is Star Trek...that's Captain Kirk, he's a good guy.....
 
I have a feeling that is the video where they quote him twice (out of context) during an interview.

Mark has said before he loves the new films, I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say he either liked or disliked his role.
 
I think I need to see it again... imo lots of the nerd rage is just that, nerd rage. Of all the star wars I think this is the most nuanced with discussion.

They tried a lot of stuff and had good ideas, but I just felt like they are 80% there on all of them and basically just fell short on just about everything. Not enough to make it a bad horrible ruin star wars movie but enough to just make it ok. To many characters to build so most get the shaft.

During the movie I was thinking boy they can't come up with practically anything really new... Force Awakens was a New Hope rehash and this had a LOT of elements from Empire AND Rotj. I walked out thinking it was the end of the trilogy more than anything.

Luke: I can see the issue with how Kylo went dark, Luke turned one of the biggest badest sith ever... The thought didn't make sense, but ok... he did say it was a "moment of weakness"... lets call it a movie convenience and move on... I personally think the worst part was the training, it was poorly done imo and tried to copy but be "different" to Empire... and failing at both.

Snoke: I was initially upset as well, no character building etc. Though the emperor had 0 back story also... I think he was a good stepping stone to build Kylo character but they didn't put enough into Kylo to make that work. Sorta how they didn't put enough into Anakin to properly convey his turn to the Dark Side. I did find it amusing that practically NO ONE raging online about snoke's death caught how Kylo was actually tricking Snoke when he was moving the saber for the kill, making snoke think it was his thoughts to kill Rey. I thought that was a great idea... A scene that shows kylos growth in control/power and proper sith behavior. etc

Finn/Rose: These two got the shaft imo. If Finn was supposed to be part of the new "circle" of rebels, this movie did absolutely nothing to help his character. Complete waste of screen time imo. The casino scenes added practically nothing except to try and build the "legend" which could have been done with a better 2nd storyline for Finn.

Phasma: Again she got the shaft at least they ended it. To many characters imo...

Leia: should have killed her off and the jedi resurrection thing was utterly pointless and stupid

Poe: I liked where they were trying to go with Poe but did it poorly imo.
 
dandirk said:
I think I need to see it again... imo lots of the nerd rage is just that, nerd rage. Of all the star wars I think this is the most nuanced with discussion.

They tried a lot of stuff and had good ideas, but I just felt like they are 80% there on all of them and basically just fell short on just about everything. Not enough to make it a bad horrible ruin star wars movie but enough to just make it ok. To many characters to build so most get the shaft.

During the movie I was thinking boy they can't come up with practically anything really new... Force Awakens was a New Hope rehash and this had a LOT of elements from Empire AND Rotj. I walked out thinking it was the end of the trilogy more than anything.

Luke: I can see the issue with how Kylo went dark, Luke turned one of the biggest badest sith ever... The thought didn't make sense, but ok... he did say it was a "moment of weakness"... lets call it a movie convenience and move on... I personally think the worst part was the training, it was poorly done imo and tried to copy but be "different" to Empire... and failing at both.

Snoke: I was initially upset as well, no character building etc. Though the emperor had 0 back story also... I think he was a good stepping stone to build Kylo character but they didn't put enough into Kylo to make that work. Sorta how they didn't put enough into Anakin to properly convey his turn to the Dark Side. I did find it amusing that practically NO ONE raging online about snoke's death caught how Kylo was actually tricking Snoke when he was moving the saber for the kill, making snoke think it was his thoughts to kill Rey. I thought that was a great idea... A scene that shows kylos growth in control/power and proper sith behavior. etc

Finn/Rose: These two got the shaft imo. If Finn was supposed to be part of the new "circle" of rebels, this movie did absolutely nothing to help his character. Complete waste of screen time imo. The casino scenes added practically nothing except to try and build the "legend" which could have been done with a better 2nd storyline for Finn.

Phasma: Again she got the shaft at least they ended it. To many characters imo...

Leia: should have killed her off and the jedi resurrection thing was utterly pointless and stupid

Poe: I liked where they were trying to go with Poe but did it poorly imo.
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Nerd rage or no nerd rage has nothing to do with the legitimacy of said rage.
 
I'm torn on the direction they took. It's hard to see this as the Luke we grew up with. The "passing" of the torch bit felt too forced onto the character. His reaction to the failure was too much. I would have preferred him to be in exile pondering solutions, no instead it was a dead end road. The Rey is the next hope/light/spark of the future was a piss poor baton pass. It made Han's transition into death feel 10x better TBH. The story line of my jackass ways produced a jerk son that eventually offed me was way more satisfying from most angles. Luke's passing was just... weak.
 
Reminds me of the Kelvin timline in Star Trek. I don't know why Lucas selled the franchise, but i think wtth him it wohnt be so shitty.
 
eneq said:
There are a few "political correctness" scenes in the movie which is one of the reasons dislike it. The milk scene is a reflection on us as a society exploiting cows and is trying to make the act of drinking milk obscene and its totally out of place in the movie. The porg eating is somewhat funny but yet again "animal rights" but in that case its a meh ok I'll go with it.
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You left out the part about rich people are bad because they exploited someone or something .... /puke

yumnmycandy said:
Reminds me of the Kelvin timline in Star Trek. I don't know why Lucas selled the franchise, but i think wtth him it wohnt be so shitty.
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You've seen The Phantom Menace?
 
Darkswordz said:
Didn't seem to stop him from taking the role and the money that comes with it. :whistle:
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That would be due to a little thing called a contract... that they would have bankrupted his ass in court with if he refused most likely.

Or he could just be the professional he's always appeared to be and done it even though he disagreed with it. One of the comments I posted long ago was him telling RJ he fundamentally disagreed with everything written for Luke... but... that said... now its his job to try and bring that vision to the screen, which he did.

I don't see Hamill as being petty, I see him as being honest, and I wont fault him for that.

I expected them to kill Luke off, but I didn't think they'd do it in such a weak way as they did.
 
I am glad that someone connected with the film is calling it for what it is.

This film disgraced the foundation and legacy that was created with the original six movies. It also disregarded the foundation the 7th movie laid down. It had no legs to stand on, and still attempted to dance to its own tune. It failed out the gate with the opening scene painting a character in a completely different picture to what we came to know them with the last movie.
 
yumnmycandy said:
Reminds me of the Kelvin timline in Star Trek. I don't know why Lucas selled the franchise, but i think wtth him it wohnt be so shitty.
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Or even how a lot of fans are reacting to the new Star Trek.

This could bring Star Trek and Star Wars fans together for a "Leave our stuff alone! Make your own damn thing" campaign.
 
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yumnmycandy said:
Reminds me of the Kelvin timline in Star Trek. I don't know why Lucas selled the franchise, but i think wtth him it wohnt be so shitty.
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Have you seen the Phantom Menace and the prequels? It could have been even worse with George Lucas at the helm. Also, billions with a B. 4 of them in fact. He could spend his remaining years living one of the most luxurious lifestyle imaginable and still not run out of money. If he loves another forty years, he's going to have to spend 100 million each year.
 
yumnmycandy said:
Reminds me of the Kelvin timline in Star Trek. I don't know why Lucas selled the franchise, but i think wtth him it wohnt be so shitty.
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Really? The prequels? Anakid, Jar-Jar, lost the will to live.... really?
 
I like TLJ. It was a great middle finger to all the basement dwelling mouth breathers that ruin fandoms.
 
Disney totally screwed this universe up. This movie called "New Hope" was mind blowing for me at 9 years old seeing it on the big screen "I mean a real big screen, not the BS screens of today" in 1977, it was like nothing anyone had ever witnessed in a theater.

This is a joke on so many levels.
 
Meh.

I was about ready to walk out of the movie ~10 minutes into the "banter" of the opening scene between that General Screams-like-Hitler and Rebel super-pilot Poe. Absolutely disgusting what Disney has done to this franchise.

But the worst transgression IMO is that the entire scale of the universe and the "galactic" conflict has been shrunk down to ~20 people -- even the prequels were able to create the illusion of war and conflict and a GALACTIC scale.

Maybe the Solo movie will be better (Rogue One was near flawless IMO).
 
The cutting of this movie was terrible - you could FEEL the money drive in this movie to generate that all important secondary revenue.

Gotta say though - that kamizake move was beautiful. That human element in it really sold me like the first movies did.
 
HorseproofBacon said:
Apparently, Hamill didn't know his luke was going to die at the end of the film until he saw the premier. He thought he was going to be going on as skywalker for the next few movies, only to be stabbed in the back at the premier to his first (and last) star wars movie in years. There's a youtube video of his true reaction as he found out and he turns to look at the director sitting next to him.

I guess he figures now he has nothing to lose and can let it all out, though I completely agree with him.
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nothing in any of the movies that prevents anyone from returning. look at who was in this movie.
 
If you love Mark/Luke so much... why selectively edit his words to make deceptive videos? This is clickbait garbage.

Hater's gonna hate. I enjoyed TLJ. In the EU Luke basically becomes god who can bring down entire Star Destroyers just by looking at them and personally I'm glad they didn't go that route. Hamill always said that if they really did a new trilogy he expected Luke to ride off into the sunset and leave the galaxy to figure things out on their own, and that's not too far off from what they did.
 
While I can appreciate what Hamill says, when he gets to that part about going away for 6 months or whatever to regroup, etc, one can look back at TESB and before that RofS (episode 3, a prequel) to see that Yoda, arguably considered the greatest Jedi of that time period and the one always looked upon for answers and how to handle things, himself decided to go into exile on Dagobah for at least 2 decades as Luke was sent to Tatooine with Obi-Wan to grow up and Luke doesn't meet Yoda on Dagobah till he's roughly 30 years old or something close to it.

So yeah, in the face of insurmountable opposition there's not really much else to do but run off and hide till some point in time when opportunity presents itself.

And Lucas himself wrote 1-6 so, if that's not considered to be "the ways of the Jedi" then I don't know what the fuck would be. :D
 
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